I just picked up SAN's TIGHT. I ordered it cause i was working some late nights at my job and just wanted an energy pill on hand, but it is pretty good for ephedra free. Kills the appetite, which might not be what your lokoin for as a BB, but it alsokeeps a pretty stabilized energy level throught out the day, no ups or downs, or crashes, it might be shit for some, but i like it, just my 2 cents,