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3J

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Its not every day i repost an article from a newspaper.. but after reading this, and having grown up poor myself (i was 34% bodyfat at one point in my life) im inclined to believe the claims made.. this is a good read guys

What do you guys think?




Poverty has a way of rearing its ugly head, slipping into the cracks in people's lives when they're young and then re-emerging later in life. Sometimes it happens in ways that are easily observable—what poor babies are fed, for instance, has been shown to alter what they crave as adults, creating life-long affinities for foods that might be better left uneaten. But sometimes the influences are hidden, and all the more insidious as a result.


A team of researchers, led by Sarah Hill, who teaches psychology at Texas Christian University, believe they have uncovered evidence of one such lingering effect. Specifically, Hill and her colleagues found that people who grow up poor seem to have a significantly harder time regulating their food intake, even when they aren't hungry.


"We found that they eat comparably high amounts regardless of their need," said Hill.


The researchers, interested in exploring why obesity is more prevalent in poorer populations, devised three separate experiments, which tested how people from different socioeconomic backgrounds behaved in front of food.


In the first, they invited 31 female participants into their lab, who were asked how long it had been since they had eaten, and how hungry they were. They were then given snacks (cookies and pretzels), which they were free to eat or leave be, as they pleased. When they were finished, Hill and her team measured the number of calories each consumed. The discrepancy between how the participants ate was alarming.


Those who grew up in higher socioeconomic households exhibited normal consumption behavior—eating when they were hungry, saying no thank you to the snacks when they were full. Those who grew up in lower socioeconomic households, meanwhile, ate no matter how hungry they were. The chart below, plucked from the study, does a good job of depicting the difference between the two groups.



A single experiment, however, isn't nearly enough to establish a convincing connection. So they took it a step further.


This time they invited 60 female participants, each of whom was asked to refrain from drinking or eating for five hours. Half of them were given Sprite, a caloric beverage, while the remaining half sipped on sparkling water, which has no calories. Then, they too were given snacks (cookies and pretzels), which they were free to eat or leave be, as they pleased. And, once again, what Hill and her team observed was eye-opening.


"It's incredible, it's as though the soda didn't register for those whose socioeconomic status as a child was low," said Hill. "It went down like water."


Those who grew up in higher socioeconomic households ate far less when they had consumed a Sprite, while those who grew up in lower socioeconomic households ate regardless of the beverage they had been given. The chart below, also taken from the study, shows how differently the two groups behaved.



In the third and final experiment, the researchers replicated the second, but added two tweaks. They invited 82 participants, which included men this time, and measured each participants' blood glucose to see if their blood sugar levels mediated food intake as they should.


Yet again, only those who hadn't grown up in poor households seemed to properly regulate their food intake.



"We expected to observe these differences, but not this clearly or consistently," said Hill. "I think it points to how the conditions poorer children face when young could be leading them to behave in ways that promote things like overeating and obesity."


Hill singles out childhood poverty, because she and her team asked participants not only for their socioeconomic statuses as children, but also their current socioeconomic statuses as adults, and, rather incredibly, the abnormal eating patterns only correlated with the former.


"I was very surprised by this," she said. "We really thought there would be an association with both."


What's going on?
The reason why people who grow up in poorer households seem to have trouble controlling how much they eat when they're not actually hungry is not entirely clear. But there are likely a few things going on.




For one, Hill posits that growing up in poorer households, which tend to have less educated parents, could lead to less of an awareness of one's body and the changes that it undergoes. "If they aren't in tune with their bodies, they might not be in tune with their bodily needs," she said. "And that's kind of what the results suggest."


There might also be a form of conditioning that's tied to the actual circumstances in which poorer families encounter and experience food. For those who never had to worry about a meal, foregoing a snack is no big deal—it's an afterthought. But for those who did, it could mean the difference between a good night's sleep and hours awake in bed.


"When you grow up in these types of environments, you’re effectively being trained to eat when you can instead of when you’re hungry," she said. "Something about that experience could be leftover."


Traci Mann, who teaches psychology at the University of Minnesota and has been studying eating habits, self-control and dieting for more than 20 years, has a slightly different theory.


People, she says, begin life perfectly capable of starting and stopping to eat when they are hungry and when they are full. "Babies can do it—breast feeding babies do that exactly (as long as the mom doesn't mess it up)—and small kids as well."


As the years go by, we tend to lose this ability to some extent, forcing us to rely on other cues—like memory. Certain people, however, lose the ability faster and more broadly than others. A perfect example are people Mann calls "chronic dieters," who are constantly restraining what they eat. By depriving themselves of calories, they end up triggering biological changes in their bodies that actually make it harder for them to resist food. And this, she says, is likely what's happening with those born into lower socioeconomic statuses.


"It's not terribly surprising that a childhood of caloric deprivation (due to financial issues) would lead to the same long-term problems that you see among chronic dieters," she said. "Essentially, eating when not hungry."




However similar the pattern of behavior, the implications are still unsettling.


If there is such a gap between how poor and rich children interact with food that carries over to rest of their lives, it complicates our understanding of why here in the United States, contrary to international trends, poor people are far more prone to obesity than their wealthier counterparts. Many have posited that it's not how much poorer households are eating, but what they are eating that has caused this trend. And there is plenty of reason to believe there is truth to this—studies have shown, after all, that lower income families choose substantially less healthy foods than others. The harms of unhealthier diets, however, are all the more nefarious when they're coupled with a fractured ability to regulate eating.


Hill warns that her team's findings are still preliminary. "We don't know exactly what the mechanism is, or how self-aware the people who eat even when they aren't hungry are," she said. "We need to pursue more research to figure out what is causing these troubling patterns of behavior."


She also says that just because the pattern exists, doesn't mean it's not something we can change. "There's no reason to think we can't help them override this."


But the fact that the patterns exists steepens what we already know to be an uphill climb for those born into poverty in the United States. The tentacles of poverty touch many different aspects of people's lives. Food is a particularly apt example—food inequality, whereby America's wealthiest people eat well, while the country's poorest eat, well, poorly, is not only real, but worsening—but it's hardly the only one. Poverty has, for instance, been shown to shackle those who are born into it, severely limiting their ability to succeed in society—socially, academically, and financially.


Increasingly, it seems the key to breaking the cycle of poverty might lie in understanding that the gap begins to grow at a very early age, cementing itself in ways that make it very difficult to untangle. And there are few things as stark as the difference between how poor and rich kids develop relationships with food.
 
Great article........two questions that puzzle me.

1. "poor people are far more prone to obesity than their wealthier counterparts, contrary to international trends". Why, poor is poor right, hungry is hungry, why do the poor only in the US have this issue?

2. Did kids that grow up in the depression era of the US have the same issues?

For some reason I think that this is more than a poor vs wealthy mentality..........Thoughts.
 
Great article........two questions that puzzle me.

1. "poor people are far more prone to obesity than their wealthier counterparts, contrary to international trends". Why, poor is poor right, hungry is hungry, why do the poor only in the US have this issue?

2. Did kids that grow up in the depression era of the US have the same issues?

For some reason I think that this is more than a poor vs wealthy mentality..........Thoughts.
when a person understands hunger or is deprived they develop behaviors that would cause them to eat more..

we were poor as kids.. my mom later in life told me we used to go to the neighbors house to eat because we had no food in the fridge..

very humble beginnings when my parents moved to america.. since i was deprived of alot of things like food, when i saw food i wanted to have all of it.. i wouldn't let up an opportunity to eat.. since obviously the body and mind doesn't like the idea of not eating..

someone who is wealthy, who is always fed so that they are not hungry, always knows there will be a next meal can learn control of the meal.. they dont need to eat everything in front of them, just eat enough to take away any hunger they may have..

think of it like this.. when a lion hasn't eaten in a week and catches a small animal.. lets use a fox for example.. u think that lion is going to only eat half the fox and think to itself, hey i dont feel hungry anymore why dont i stop??

nope.. eats the whole thing.. because it doesn't know when the next meal will arrive
 
think of it like this.. when a lion hasn't eaten in a week and catches a small animal.. lets use a fox for example.. u think that lion is going to only eat half the fox and think to itself, hey i dont feel hungry anymore why dont i stop??

nope.. eats the whole thing.. because it doesn't know when the next meal will arrive

Totally agree with your summary.

My question is why would a lion eat differently if he lived in the US vs Africa, point is he shouldn't or doesn't; However the poor eat differently in the US, verse the international trends ( that is what the report above stated). My question is why? ( know that there isn't an definitly answer for this, just looking for more discussion)
 
Totally agree with your summary.

My question is why would a lion eat differently if he lived in the US vs Africa, point is he shouldn't or doesn't; However the poor eat differently in the US, verse the international trends ( that is what the report above stated). My question is why? ( know that there isn't an definitly answer for this, just looking for more discussion)
amercians are the most obese per capita than anyone else in the world..

cheap, high caloric foods are avaialbe.. thats 1..

2. its the culture.. bigger is better.. more is good..
 
I grew up on my own since I was 15 yrs.old.had to by foods I could afford..example id by chicken legs compared to chicken breast..id buy blocks of cheese make my own macaroni cheese..I would buy floor make my own bread..eat alot of spaghetti. .so I do understand to a certain degree why people who are poor are fat..but only a little bit..I boxed..played sports..walked to work..to save on gas..I grew up in a city so I could but so many people that are poor and fat..are just lazy.i could never let my kids grow up fat..we all understand when we are getting fat..no need for soda...chips..candy.etc..I cut that crap out and bought better options..like real food..today obese is out of control...I blame the parents.just my opinion
 
Great article........two questions that puzzle me.

1. "poor people are far more prone to obesity than their wealthier counterparts, contrary to international trends". Why, poor is poor right, hungry is hungry, why do the poor only in the US have this issue?

2. Did kids that grow up in the depression era of the US have the same issues?

For some reason I think that this is more than a poor vs wealthy mentality..........Thoughts.

Our poor are lax lazy couch potatoes who sit in front of the tube and computer all day, even our poor have all the bells and whistles in their homes, which is why theyre likely poor, they still have televisions, computers and phones, and they sit around all day doing nothing but eat the unhealthy cheap foods. Poor in other countries (3 world type) dont have all the gadgets to sit in front of and they tend to be more active. That is my estimation

as for comparing depression era to now, is apples and oranges, and goes back to being active out and about without all the gadgets to sit in front of
 
presser makes a good point.. he's only scratching the surface but he is right
 
It all comes down to "want to". I when I had no money I bought a 50lb bag of rice and ate the cheapest red meat (round steak) I could find. I ate this every single day for weeks on end, was it boring, yes. Did I wan to eat french fries, yes........came down to 'want to".

I really don't think this is a wealthy vs poor thing other than if one group finds being fat more socially acceptable............this will take away from your want to if everyone around you if fat and sedentary. The weathly have a better oportunity to give the illution of want to: gym memberships, personal trainers, personal chef, pre-made meals, but they still don't use the gym or their personal trainer and will still sneak snacks even though they have a personal chef ( look at Oprah).

Want to..........bottom line!
 
Many ideas, all good, and many factors that determine whether this to be the case.

I've tried to word it, and been unable to be successful, so I'll just put what I think, and you take your pick on what you agree with and disagree with.

Poorer families have limited funding, of which is limited in daily life activities, as well as food shopping. Cheaper foods are usually the main culprit in gaining weights, we're talking about your crisps/chips, biscuits/cookies, Carb snack food and all that stuff. Most will over indulge in these foods as it is easier to open a packet, rather than cook an entire meal for a family.
Limited funding to do daily activities, such as days out, tend to force parents/families to stay home, be the couch potatoes that Presser stated. Of which, turns people into Lazy lay abouts, doing nothing but consuming food and watching the brain numbing TV.

What I'd like to know, are poorer families generally lower IQed than the national average, or the wealthier counter part? I only bring this up, because I'd like to know whether IQ determined whether people made more health wise choices, whether they took in less TV time, and lived a little more of an active lifestyle, rather than the couch potatoe life style.
 
Many ideas, all good, and many factors that determine whether this to be the case.

I've tried to word it, and been unable to be successful, so I'll just put what I think, and you take your pick on what you agree with and disagree with.

Poorer families have limited funding, of which is limited in daily life activities, as well as food shopping. Cheaper foods are usually the main culprit in gaining weights, we're talking about your crisps/chips, biscuits/cookies, Carb snack food and all that stuff. Most will over indulge in these foods as it is easier to open a packet, rather than cook an entire meal for a family.
Limited funding to do daily activities, such as days out, tend to force parents/families to stay home, be the couch potatoes that Presser stated. Of which, turns people into Lazy lay abouts, doing nothing but consuming food and watching the brain numbing TV.

What I'd like to know, are poorer families generally lower IQed than the national average, or the wealthier counter part? I only bring this up, because I'd like to know whether IQ determined whether people made more health wise choices, whether they took in less TV time, and lived a little more of an active lifestyle, rather than the couch potatoe life style.

I can answer your IQ question, and it is YES, there is a strong correlation between lower IQ and being poor, and the study was done by professor at one of the Big Universities Like Harvard or Yale or some shit, and they called her a racist right away, lol, as she studied the IQ to RACE correlation which also correlates directly to poverty.

Dont shoot the messenger here guys and gals lmao, im just telling you what the study said, Asians had the Highest IQ and were the Healthiest, then came whites, then came blacks, and im not sure where hispanics averged in at.
 
of course a lower education level would lead to poorer decisions in nutrition.. also how the child is raised and what the child uses as a coping mechanism (in my case it was food) to sooth the life of poverty he lives
 
i remember what they said, that the IQ test was Culturally Bias lmao cant believe i forgot that part, but thats what was said on top of her being a racist lol, i guess if if there arent JayZ and Big-once questions on the test its culturally bias lmao,

as to 3J post above about education level leading to poor nutition as his answer to oggy question, but IQ and education level arent really the same thing,

also, where do you get your IQ tested? anyone know how someone would go about that?
 
I grew up poor my self and I don't wish it on anyone.. But when I left home at 16 I wanted a better life for myself and I worked hard to have it.. I was always skinny as fuck.. I was 6 tall 145 at 18 yrs old. My point is I never knew anything about nutrition or how to eat when I grew up and nor did my parents. My mom was a bigger lady my dad was 5' 2'' 120 lbs. whether you're rich or poor if you do not learn or care to learn about nutrition. How will you know whats healthy and what's not. Some ppl have no self control or will to take care of there bodys and just plain could care less. I always hear people talk about wanting to loose weight or get in shape but they always at Bojangles hardees or some shit. being healthy is hard work lots of meal prep and money. But mainly its a life choice that most do not want to commit too. I tell everyone who asks me how I look the way I do. ''For the record I am not impressive at all'' .. If it was easy everyone would be in phenomenal shape. most do not have the will power or commitment it takes to get into great shape. My point we take the time to learn about what we feel is important why not learn our bodies to be healthy.
 
presser.. youre implying that there is no correlation to education level and iq??
 
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