Cypionate and Winstrol

[JustBenjamin]

Hey Everyone, I am a beginner and new to the steroid world and was thinking about doing my first cycle with Cypionate and Winstrol. But I am unsure of how to begin. I'm 28 years old, 5'10 and 200lbs. I want to gain a full look with lean muscles. Can someone give me some advice on how I should begin?

 

[Mountain_Man]

Drop the winny for fist cycle and test cyp 10-12 week at 400-500 mg a week spilt into two shots say Mon and Thurs and do u have a pct plan after your cycle like clomid Nova?

 

[JustBenjamin]

Drop the winny for fist cycle and test cyp 10-12 week at 400-500 mg a week spilt into two shots say Mon and Thurs and do u have a pct plan after your cycle like clomid Nova?

No I don't. I really don't know what a PCT plan is

 

[JustBenjamin]

So winny isn't a good beginner, can you tell me why? because I already have it because someone told me that I would be good for me

 

[JustBenjamin]

I was told to go 1.5cc 3x a week for 3weeks and take one week off and do the last thee weeks.

 

[BigZ]

So winny isn't a good beginner, can you tell me why? because I already have it because someone told me that I would be good for me

Winny is an oral so it is very toxic to the liver while testosterone cypionate is injectable so it bypasses the liver. Winny is also known for drying out the joints which will leave you open to injury. It really isn't worth the sides to do it on its own since you wouldn't build up much muscle with it either. You should be doing a whole lot more research on what you're jumping into before you make the leap.

 

[EMW14]

Don't jump in without knowing all about PCT (Post Cycle Therapy), which is imperative to bring your natural test production back after it gets shut down during a cycle. Reread Mountain Man's post and do some searching on this site for info on PCT.

It is suggested to do a test only cycle for your first cycle so that you learn and understand how your body responds to testosterone, and because it is the "base" for any cycle, as a general rule. If you are running more than one compound and have any negative side effects, you won't know what is causing it.

For example, I have negative side effects over a certain dose of test. Before I add anything else in, I will figure out how to eliminate those side effects.

Also, and I should have stated this first, you should tell us a little bit more about yourself. For example, 5-10 at 200 can mean you're pretty muscular already and have been training hard and eating well for several years already. Or, it can mean you just joined a gym, are overweight and are trying to get in shape. Or anywhere in between.

You will see most guys who are out of shape and come asking about a first cycle are advised to get their diet in order first, get in the best shape they can with good eating and training. Only then consider adding gear. Proper nutrition is critical with or without gear. Without proper nutrition, you won't reap the benefits you expect from the gear anyway, so address the nutrition first.

 

[JustBenjamin]

Don't jump in without knowing all about PCT (Post Cycle Therapy), which is imperative to bring your natural test production back after it gets shut down during a cycle. Reread Mountain Man's post and do some searching on this site for info on PCT.

It is suggested to do a test only cycle for your first cycle so that you learn and understand how your body responds to testosterone, and because it is the "base" for any cycle, as a general rule. If you are running more than one compound and have any negative side effects, you won't know what is causing it.

For example, I have negative side effects over a certain dose of test. Before I add anything else in, I will figure out how to eliminate those side effects.

Also, and I should have stated this first, you should tell us a little bit more about yourself. For example, 5-10 at 200 can mean you're pretty muscular already and have been training hard and eating well for several years already. Or, it can mean you just joined a gym, are overweight and are trying to get in shape. Or anywhere in between.

You will see most guys who are out of shape and come asking about a first cycle are advised to get their diet in order first, get in the best shape they can with good eating and training. Only then consider adding gear. Proper nutrition is critical with or without gear. Without proper nutrition, you won't reap the benefits you expect from the gear anyway, so address the nutrition first.

Alright, well I have read up on PCT and I think I should have a good handle on it.
When it comes to getting to know me a little better, I am in good health, and I have been fit for a good while, but I decide last February to take a time off from the gym and gain some weight. which is why I am 200lbs; most is fat gains. Now I want to start back on my work out and my diet. But I want to have a little boost, that why I was recommended to use Winstrol, because I am bigger now and I want to get lean. But I want to get some feed back and advice before I start on my journey. I wanted to define my chest and arms, since my arms are possibly the hardest parts to see gains.

 

[JustBenjamin]

I was advised that I should take Wistrol twice a week at 1.5cc, and to take it every other week. But someone told me on this message board to not take it since it my first cycle. They recommended Cypionate. but since I have already got Winny. I don't want it to go to waste, so I was asking if I could take both Cyp and winny for my first cycle, and use nova for my pct. the problem is I don't know to use them right, if I could get some advice on the matter I would appreciate it

 

[Iron Game]

Welcome to MuscleChemistry.com. Your in the right place.

1st. How old are you? No one here would recommend a cycle unless your at least 23-24 years old. Until then you need to take advantage of your naturally high test levels. Your body will stop producing test once you add exogenous testosterone.

Next...You said "Now I want to start back on my work out and my diet." That is exactly what you do. You wait on the anabolics until you have been dieting and training right for some time. You start eating right and working out until you hit a hard plateau. You should be able to achieve excellent results thru hard work, discipline, and consistency. After you have a good base, have done a lot of research and hit a plateau in your goals then maybe you will want to SUPPLEMENT your workouts and diet with anabolic steroids. You will want to do this in a way as to boost your results or achieve your goals but minimize risk. That is why you have been guided to 200-300 mg of testosterone per week for about 12 weeks.

I know this isn't what you want to hear but its how it should be done.

 

[markg01]

Winni is awesome but it will kill your joints !! I wouldn't recommend this one for your first time. If your under 10% bf I'd use mast e. Just my 2¢ I would also use test e 2X's a week split at 500MG's also have some anti-estrogen on hand with a pct. Good cycle would be 12-16 weeks. This again is jmo I'm sure there are wiser vets. Stay away from Winni you won't get any bigger only stronger.

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[jimbosmith316]

You can save the winni for later use so it won't be wasted. I hung out around this board for a month or 2 reading before starting.

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[JustBenjamin]

Winni is awesome but it will kill your joints !! I wouldn't recommend this one for your first time. If your under 10% bf I'd use mast e. Just my 2¢ I would also use test e 2X's a week split at 500MG's also have some anti-estrogen on hand with a pct. Good cycle would be 12-16 weeks. This again is jmo I'm sure there are wiser vets. Stay away from Winni you won't get any bigger only stronger.

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Thank you for your insight. But I was reading up on sarms, and I was thinking about doing a winstrol and Ostarine. Because the Ost counter acts the winny effects, and I found out that it can be used as a PCT as well. Has anyone done this stack before?

 

[Mountain_Man]

It's up too u but winny is a cutting agent for contest unless my bf is under 10% I won't use it and never alone but cyp and whinny would be a good combo for strength and definition but using winny alone ur sex dive may suffer that the point and the gains are very mild with winny I really like all info above esp iron games

 

[JustBenjamin]

Welcome to MuscleChemistry.com. Your in the right place.

1st. How old are you? No one here would recommend a cycle unless your at least 23-24 years old. Until then you need to take advantage of your naturally high test levels. Your body will stop producing test once you add exogenous testosterone.

Next...You said "Now I want to start back on my work out and my diet." That is exactly what you do. You wait on the anabolics until you have been dieting and training right for some time. You start eating right and working out until you hit a hard plateau. You should be able to achieve excellent results thru hard work, discipline, and consistency. After you have a good base, have done a lot of research and hit a plateau in your goals then maybe you will want to SUPPLEMENT your workouts and diet with anabolic steroids. You will want to do this in a way as to boost your results or achieve your goals but minimize risk. That is why you have been guided to 200-300 mg of testosterone per week for about 12 weeks.

I know this isn't what you want to hear but its how it should be done.

Well I was thinking about starting my cycle in December or probably by January, and because I can lose weight quickly and by the end of November I should be where I want to be; give or take a week or two. and to be honest I just wanted to use the Winny because i have heard good things about it, and the results in cutting cycles. Trust me when i say i don't jump into something with out doing my research and asking people about their advice and experience. I always have to consider everything before coming into my own conclusions and testing my body and seeing how it reacts. I appreciate any advice and feed back, because it help me become more educated on the subject and i thank everyone for anything they inform me on

 

[yellow snow]

I personally would do a test only for your first run, then use the winnie with igf from MC and test for your second run when you get down to around the 10% BF level in the summer.

On a side note, winnie for some is really hard on their joints; guys either love it or hate it due to this. How many mg of winnie are you planning on doing and for how long?

 

[Presser]

I was advised that I should take Wistrol twice a week at 1.5cc, and to take it every other week. But someone told me on this message board to not take it since it my first cycle. They recommended Cypionate. but since I have already got Winny. I don't want it to go to waste, so I was asking if I could take both Cyp and winny for my first cycle, and use nova for my pct. the problem is I don't know to use them right, if I could get some advice on the matter I would appreciate it

who ever told you to take winstrol every other week and only twice a week is dead wrong, on top of that telling us 1.5cc does no good, we work with mcg, mg and grams brutha.

There is no debate my friend! You should not be using winstrol your first cycle and by itself like was your original plan, and sure you can incorporate it into your testosterone cycle, but you are so far off base with dosages, and schedule that you need to wait and just do a simple 250mg test cycle one shot per week if your going to do anything at all.