I remember reading that some gear is contraindicated when using with other gear. I can not locate the article, but it was something to do with hitting the same receptors twice. Specifically, my friend was wondering if d-bol would be ok to add to a cycle of test cyp, tren, and eq? Does anyone know if adding d-bol will cause competition for the same receptor used by one of these substances. Also, does anyone know of any other substances that would be redundant to use at the same time?
Gear Contraindications
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Local124bro
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Where have you been? Lol! I never thought about that , good question.
Local124bro said:
LOL. Yeah.... yeah... I've been MIA for a while. I've got a National powerlifting comp at the end of the month. The last couple of months have been pretty intense. So..... I've not been spending much time on the net, or doing anything else, aside from eating, training, sleeping. As far as my question, it's something I've always wondered about. Hopefully one of the science geeks on here (no insult intended) will be able to help my buddy out.
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saudades
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I was under the impression that they all pretty much competed for the same receptors if they are derivatives of testosterone. Deca is not a derivative so I'm not sure about that one.
saudades said:
Good point, perhaps what I should be asking about (at least in part) are the mechanisms of action at the androgen receptor site. As you say above, derivitives of test use the same receptors. And as I understand, this is not a bad thing, so long as the mechanisms of action are different. After all, we have all witnessed the benefits of stacking different substances. But what happens when you stack substances with similar mechanisms? Are you pissing money away, or possibly putting undue harm on your body. Kinda like taking two NSAID's at the same time (i.e. aleve and advil). I know that I've read about certain anabolics that should not be mixed at the same, either because it would be redundant, dangerous, or both. Any back-yard pharmacists in the house?
highside said:
Yeah, from what I've read, it seems that test, tren, and eq stacks are fairly common. And I am guessing by the positive feedback that this combo works well. I was just wondering (for the sake of my buddy) if anyone was aware of any contraindications, especially with the addition of d-bol during the last 3-4 weeks. I am sure its not a big deal, but if it is a waste of cash because of its redundancy, then why bother. I wish I could locate that article, because there was a lot of good info there. But who knows, the guy who wrote it could have one of the minions of internet bullshitters.:crap: And hey, I'll work on becoming more social, as soon as my comp is over.
Spiderman
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I don't know of any contraindications to this cycle, but I can't seem to find the MOA of these drugs right now. I will keep looking, but I think that d-bol and test have a similar MOA even though d-bol is a class II and test is a bit of both class II and I. However, some buddies I know of that have done longer dbol cycles while on test have said that the benefits of the d-bol seemed to decrease once the test kicked in. Now this is just speculation on my part but it could have something to do with the test taking some of the receptors the d-bol was using. So I would run the dbol at the beginning. As far as the rest of it I can think of absolutely no contraindication to using test, tren, and eq at the same time as test and tren are amazing and do a bit of both class I and class II, and eq is a class I substance. Sry I couldn't find a definite answer for you.
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saudades
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krat7260 said:Good point, perhaps what I should be asking about (at least in part) are the mechanisms of action at the androgen receptor site. As you say above, derivitives of test use the same receptors. And as I understand, this is not a bad thing, so long as the mechanisms of action are different. After all, we have all witnessed the benefits of stacking different substances. But what happens when you stack substances with similar mechanisms? Are you pissing money away, or possibly putting undue harm on your body. Kinda like taking two NSAID's at the same time (i.e. aleve and advil). I know that I've read about certain anabolics that should not be mixed at the same, either because it would be redundant, dangerous, or both. Any back-yard pharmacists in the house?
I see what you mean now. When you find that article, please let us know. I've never heard of contraindications with any of those compounds being run together. Intriguing to say the least. It could explain why some people's cycles didn't end up doing anything.
Spiderman said:
Thanks Spider, I was hoping you would chime in here. I really think there is something to be gained by understanding exactly why certain compounds should (or should not) be stacked together at the same time. I'm not a big proponent of the "everything, but the kitchen sink" mentality. And I think we all have met someone like that at one time or another. BTW, he is running the d-bol at the end to get a little boost in bloat/strength before his power comp. Counter-productive to BB'ers, but very a common protocol amoung us "fatties".:laugh:
saudades said:
I know, I wish I could remember where I saw it. And I agree about what tends to happen (or not happen) during cycles one might expect to rock. There is definitely something to be learned here. Someone (much more intelligent than myself) needs to put together a database of all compounds we commonly see in cycles. A database where all the mechanisms of each compound can be compared, so that each user can make an informed (and cost effective) decision on how to constuct their cycles. After all, it's not simply a question of what works, but rather, how efficiently you can contruct a cycle to meet your individual goals. Of course, had our trusty politicians not banned everything in the 1st place, we would have a much better understanding (through scientific research) of how to combine the right substances for optimum results. Thanks for looking out for us, Big Brother! :angry: :curse:
optimalbalance
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its really not this scientific guys. Adding bols to anything will result in more fluids, hence a thikker look, more sides, aggression, strength, short lived though,
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