Gh and lethargia?

[guardianactual]

Been doing gh for a while now I am using t3 between 25 and 50mcg I also am using proviron at 50mg ed

I am so fucking tired it isn't funny. I feel like falling asleep after I wake up even after 8+hours of solid sleep. Somedays i feel good waking up energetic just to crash post shot.

I do use caffeine and it does help, but that also leads to a crash. I'm using 5ius the aches and pains of gh suck but are managable I have some warm tingling in hands and feet def feel the insulin issues as carbs make me sick if I ingest too many especially sugars. I am using RALA and Chromium for insulin sensitivity but it's very hard to shack the tiredness. Any suggestions?

 

[Maj7900]

I’ve had this issue when I first started. My second pin of the day then one hour later I’m falling out sleepy. That’s seem to go away but I’ve seen lots of people use T3 with it to combat the Lethargic issues. One thing I do to help and I’m not sure if it really helps but it’s seem to go away when I started this. Ham. I’d eat a slice of protein with my pin. Not sure about the Science behind it but it’s seems to help me.


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[guardianactual]

I’ve had this issue when I first started. My second pin of the day then one hour later I’m falling out sleepy. That’s seem to go away but I’ve seen lots of people use T3 with it to combat the Lethargic issues. One thing I do to help and I’m not sure if it really helps but it’s seem to go away when I started this. Ham. I’d eat a slice of protein with my pin. Not sure about the Science behind it but it’s seems to help me.


Team MeccaGear!

You know what when I drink just protein and take caffeine I seem to be fine, push it. But i crash hard. I use t3 but either I don't take enough or it's something else. Protein does seem to help honestly. Either that or a nap.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I use a mix 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4
Then add 25mcg more t3

I only use Pharma Grade thyroid and only use first thing in morning on empty stomach with hgh 2.5iu

U do other 2.5iu before lunch.

U gotta use enough thyroid that your gland will swell make lump and u will feel soreness for around 10 days to 14 days after using enough!!!

50mcg t3 min necessary or not worth the bother unless t4 involved too.
Body produces 30mcg a day in healthy metabolism.
T3 25 mcg will only suppress 25mcg out the 30 natty.
POINTLESS!!!

Been doing gh for a while now I am using t3 between 25 and 50mcg I also am using proviron at 50mg ed

I am so fucking tired it isn't funny. I feel like falling asleep after I wake up even after 8+hours of solid sleep. Somedays i feel good waking up energetic just to crash post shot.

I do use caffeine and it does help, but that also leads to a crash. I'm using 5ius the aches and pains of gh suck but are managable I have some warm tingling in hands and feet def feel the insulin issues as carbs make me sick if I ingest too many especially sugars. I am using RALA and Chromium for insulin sensitivity but it's very hard to shack the tiredness. Any suggestions?

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[Muscle mechanic]

It's a fact that hgh causes thyroid suppression
TSH is from pituitary gland.

Plus hgh at higher then natty or replacement will need more thyroid to have fast enough metabolism to keep up!!

Why does hgh cause fat loss???
Better yet why does it much much more in those who use at mine 50mcg t3 with 5iu hgh???? This is syntergesic and doesn't happen with either on own in same magical way.

Thyroid issues.... lol!!
One of easiest things to self treat....

And mine always bounced back....
If not trt Dr will catch!!!
Trt often on its own can suppress thyroid overtime. The protocol treat low thyroid next!!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

Pain in hands. Carpal tunnel symptoms the claim.
Dig deeper hgh carpal tunnel is from edema in hands from fluids

This is from low thyroid output to match
Or hypo thyroid caused from hgh suppression.

Better yet read hypo thyroid symptoms.

Then treat thyroid with enough t3 and t4 and watch hands stop

Also stop aromatase gear until u can handle hgh and adjust to edema!!!

Another thing if your hgh hurting your hands send to me.

Watch my hands 2 hours apart after waking up before I started me t3/t4 at appropriate doses
This was 2 hours apart after waking on 5iu hgh then I listened and researched.
It's called water edema not carpal tunnel I have had carpal tunnel for 18 years I know difference.
Hypo thyroid brother.
Maybe some don't get it but most at 5iu or better do.

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[guardianactual]

Pain in hands. Carpal tunnel symptoms the claim.
Dig deeper hgh carpal tunnel is from edema in hands from fluids

This is from low thyroid output to match
Or hypo thyroid caused from hgh suppression.

Better yet read hypo thyroid symptoms.

Then treat thyroid with enough t3 and t4 and watch hands stop

Also stop aromatase gear until u can handle hgh and adjust to edema!!!

Another thing if your hgh hurting your hands send to me.

Watch my hands 2 hours apart after waking up before I started me t3/t4 at appropriate doses
This was 2 hours apart after waking on 5iu hgh then I listened and researched.
It's called water edema not carpal tunnel I have had carpal tunnel for 18 years I know difference.
Hypo thyroid brother.
Maybe some don't get it but most at 5iu or better do.

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I normally use between 25 and 50mcg of t3 a day mornings. And 100mcg of t4 late afternoon. I do feel more energetic later in the day pehaps I should up the dosage of t3 or t4.

Good shit Mecha! I'm going to drop the gh to 2.5 split twice a day instead of all in the morning. Is the edema also the cause of general aches as well? I feel good when I'm not tired af I feel really really good, but aches are def present throughout the day, but not a hindrance. Thanks r the info man!

 

[Maj7900]

It's a fact that hgh causes thyroid suppression
TSH is from pituitary gland.

Plus hgh at higher then natty or replacement will need more thyroid to have fast enough metabolism to keep up!!

Why does hgh cause fat loss???
Better yet why does it much much more in those who use at mine 50mcg t3 with 5iu hgh???? This is syntergesic and doesn't happen with either on own in same magical way.

Thyroid issues.... lol!!
One of easiest things to self treat....

And mine always bounced back....
If not trt Dr will catch!!!
Trt often on its own can suppress thyroid overtime. The protocol treat low thyroid next!!!

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Very good info brother


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[Muscle mechanic]

I normally use between 25 and 50mcg of t3 a day mornings. And 100mcg of t4 late afternoon. I do feel more energetic later in the day pehaps I should up the dosage of t3 or t4.

Good shit Mecha! I'm going to drop the gh to 2.5 split twice a day instead of all in the morning. Is the edema also the cause of general aches as well? I feel good when I'm not tired af I feel really really good, but aches are def present throughout the day, but not a hindrance. Thanks r the info man!

The tired feeling is from suppressed thyroid or not enough thyroid to support a dump of gh in that amount.
When it happens to me or did, it would be around 2.5-3 hours after hgh pin.
This is peak time of release.
Thyroid needed to shuttle or metabolism keep up with that hgh dump.

It's a chain of events
But hgh does indeed surpress thyroid by a different function than neg feed of say like taking more t3.

Use all your thyroid at same time Upon rising t3 and t4 on empty stomach
Don't eat or drink for 30 minute min.
Except a little water.
It will not absorb otherwise!!! If using hgh always fast 1 hour before and 1 hour after!!


But definitely split your dose.
In morning right away one of best times to dose with thyroid and fast together.
Then best next time is later afternoon.
These are the 2x cortisol is naturally elevated making best time for hgh dosing.

I use in morning and before or after lunch but I eat lunch later around 1pm.

I will not put it all down I gave u enough clues for info.
I would have to look again to give exact function of body to have in proper detail.

But I searched and searched because I like many was scared of thyroid t3/t4!!!

Edema will put pressure on nerves in joints and is very painfull, numb, tingling pain!! And a throbbing from leakage of fluid from vessals!!
Also my elbow get it too.


Stop aromatase gear until u get adjusted to hgh dose u on. Meaning figure out thyroid dose to match. And get edema under control. Aromatase gear will complicate it more!!
U have good hgh because what U are experiencing is normal. This is a time to tough it out get your t3 at approx 50mcg and t4 at 100mcg and run primo, mast, test, anavar!!!
U are Gonna adjust and after 4 month mark u will see changes that are coming effortless with fat loss and body transformation.
U will build lean muscle mass and get lean. Muscles will start to appear in stomach etc etc.... from bf getting low!!
Eat good diet perfect not necessary. Enough protien 1.5 grams per lb plenty.

Do HIIT workouts get cardio up and as it goes up u will be in best shape of life in 4 months brother.

After this first stage of leaning and dialing things in then u can incorpate Anadrol, deca and test! U will start a bulk lean without water retention or edema and muscles will be full as u can imagine!!

U on right track. Trust me I went thru this same thing and helped many who did too.
I trust nobody!! Lol!! Everything I do is on solid research i find the truth then I act.
So if it comes from me u can back on it!

During times of the tired feeling your liver has already manufactored glycogen and IGF shuttling is happening. U need enough thyroid because this is fat loss happening and body needs to have thyroid enough of it to get food into nutrient ready form and feed all cells of body with nutrient and oxygen!! Being short on thyroid a raw deal on hgh.

Most guys with good hgh genetics can't approach the 5iu mark without adding in the thyroid.
Some on other hand can but it's not common I ever heard of any who can do 10iu without extra thyroid.
If they have time to nap good for them but if u like me u gotta do job, instead of crave a nap eyes closing doing paperwork!!!

Lol!! Do just what I do and watch hgh miracle work for u.
Remember it takes 4-6 months to see this change and once u do u will only take short breaks from hgh.
And get back on!!!
Or maybe use 3iu on cruise and 5iu on blast of generics are proven!!!

I stopped hgh and thyroid and bounced back no problem several times.

I have NO MORE PAINS NO WHERE!!!
ALL MY SHOULDER, NECK AND BACK INJURIES HAVENT HURT!!! sure I can tell they exist time to time but never have any inflammation and ongoing pain these injuries once caused.

My wife was 185lbs couldn't lose weight after our son. He is 5. Lol
Last year's she used 2-3 iu and 50mg t4 and 50mcg t3. She is in size 2,3 and 4 and is 136 lbs now!!! She got off but getting back on as soon as new batch of hgh arrives!!!


Good luck, always here to help anyone!!!

 

[drtbear1967]

Good stuff Mech

 

[guardianactual]

See i was splittijg the t3 t4.

Thyroid thread on a medical site said its effective. But seemed odd given the half life... but figured it could be accurate bc people use clen daily when it has what a 36 hour half? Anyway yeah I'll split the gh and keep the t3 all at once.

I def feel a swelling in my throat at 75mcg which is why I dropped the dosage but I started crashing a lot.

Mecha you the man bro damn resourceful info. I read a bunch on gh but it was basically the same thing only different locations Idk half of what you said never came across it. I read the basics serveral times and made the assumption that was that.

Thanks again bro very very informative!

 

[guardianactual]

The tired feeling is from suppressed thyroid or not enough thyroid to support a dump of gh in that amount.
When it happens to me or did, it would be around 2.5-3 hours after hgh pin.
This is peak time of release.
Thyroid needed to shuttle or metabolism keep up with that hgh dump.

It's a chain of events
But hgh does indeed surpress thyroid by a different function than neg feed of say like taking more t3.

Use all your thyroid at same time Upon rising t3 and t4 on empty stomach
Don't eat or drink for 30 minute min.
Except a little water.
It will not absorb otherwise!!! If using hgh always fast 1 hour before and 1 hour after!!


But definitely split your dose.
In morning right away one of best times to dose with thyroid and fast together.
Then best next time is later afternoon.
These are the 2x cortisol is naturally elevated making best time for hgh dosing.

I use in morning and before or after lunch but I eat lunch later around 1pm.

I will not put it all down I gave u enough clues for info.
I would have to look again to give exact function of body to have in proper detail.

But I searched and searched because I like many was scared of thyroid t3/t4!!!

Edema will put pressure on nerves in joints and is very painfull, numb, tingling pain!! And a throbbing from leakage of fluid from vessals!!
Also my elbow get it too.


Stop aromatase gear until u get adjusted to hgh dose u on. Meaning figure out thyroid dose to match. And get edema under control. Aromatase gear will complicate it more!!
U have good hgh because what U are experiencing is normal. This is a time to tough it out get your t3 at approx 50mcg and t4 at 100mcg and run primo, mast, test, anavar!!!
U are Gonna adjust and after 4 month mark u will see changes that are coming effortless with fat loss and body transformation.
U will build lean muscle mass and get lean. Muscles will start to appear in stomach etc etc.... from bf getting low!!
Eat good diet perfect not necessary. Enough protien 1.5 grams per lb plenty.

Do HIIT workouts get cardio up and as it goes up u will be in best shape of life in 4 months brother.

After this first stage of leaning and dialing things in then u can incorpate Anadrol, deca and test! U will start a bulk lean without water retention or edema and muscles will be full as u can imagine!!

U on right track. Trust me I went thru this same thing and helped many who did too.
I trust nobody!! Lol!! Everything I do is on solid research i find the truth then I act.
So if it comes from me u can back on it!

During times of the tired feeling your liver has already manufactored glycogen and IGF shuttling is happening. U need enough thyroid because this is fat loss happening and body needs to have thyroid enough of it to get food into nutrient ready form and feed all cells of body with nutrient and oxygen!! Being short on thyroid a raw deal on hgh.

Most guys with good hgh genetics can't approach the 5iu mark without adding in the thyroid.
Some on other hand can but it's not common I ever heard of any who can do 10iu without extra thyroid.
If they have time to nap good for them but if u like me u gotta do job, instead of crave a nap eyes closing doing paperwork!!!

Lol!! Do just what I do and watch hgh miracle work for u.
Remember it takes 4-6 months to see this change and once u do u will only take short breaks from hgh.
And get back on!!!
Or maybe use 3iu on cruise and 5iu on blast of generics are proven!!!

I stopped hgh and thyroid and bounced back no problem several times.

I have NO MORE PAINS NO WHERE!!!
ALL MY SHOULDER, NECK AND BACK INJURIES HAVENT HURT!!! sure I can tell they exist time to time but never have any inflammation and ongoing pain these injuries once caused.

My wife was 185lbs couldn't lose weight after our son. He is 5. Lol
Last year's she used 2-3 iu and 50mg t4 and 50mcg t3. She is in size 2,3 and 4 and is 136 lbs now!!! She got off but getting back on as soon as new batch of hgh arrives!!!


Good luck, always here to help anyone!!!

My biggest issue mech is I work graveyard so my first shot will either have to be in the am before bed. Or as it is now, around 2pm then I lift around 5 I always wait an hour to eat then let it settle then lift. Cant eat then lift bloat kills me.

I use a pre workout of caffeine and yohimbine do my workout, do cardio about 25 to 30 mins HIIT I do cardio 4x a week. My second shot would come 1.5 to 2 hours after my post workout shake that'd be around 7/730pm

Is that acceptable or is there a better way bro?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

My biggest issue mech is I work graveyard so my first shot will either have to be in the am before bed. Or as it is now, around 2pm then I lift around 5 I always wait an hour to eat then let it settle then lift. Cant eat then lift bloat kills me.

I use a pre workout of caffeine and yohimbine do my workout, do cardio about 25 to 30 mins HIIT I do cardio 4x a week. My second shot would come 1.5 to 2 hours after my post workout shake that'd be around 7/730pm

Is that acceptable or is there a better way bro?

I use my hgh always fasted with only protien then eat after workout!!
U want peak release happening after workout and then eat for one of pins, always.

I work day for a week 6-6 then nights 6-6

I bring my loaded pin for later in ice chest.

Upon rising pin 1 then workout and eat
Other dose after lunch no matter if it's night or day.
I eat my meals same night shift or day shift.
Everything identical in my mind, it's just the time I am active that changes week to week.
Same with t3/t4 upon rising.
If i change from days to nights I just do it all 12 hours closer rather than further apart that 1 day change

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[Muscle mechanic]

See i was splittijg the t3 t4.

Thyroid thread on a medical site said its effective. But seemed odd given the half life... but figured it could be accurate bc people use clen daily when it has what a 36 hour half? Anyway yeah I'll split the gh and keep the t3 all at once.

I def feel a swelling in my throat at 75mcg which is why I dropped the dosage but I started crashing a lot.

Mecha you the man bro damn resourceful info. I read a bunch on gh but it was basically the same thing only different locations Idk half of what you said never came across it. I read the basics serveral times and made the assumption that was that.

Thanks again bro very very informative!

T3 at 50mcg and t4 at 100mcg suffient
Get t3 ready active in system then t4 will convert the latter!

Trust what I have given u as info to use!!
It's your choice but if u gonna do it do it right!!!

We are not having issues of t4 to t3 conversion from other issues.
We can dose this way with Hgh.


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[drtbear1967]

Always great info from Muscle Mechanic

 

[guardianactual]

Upping dosage of t3/t4 like you said worked perfectly. I still get a little tired here and there but it's very managable. Before I felt like I hadnt slept in a week it was horrible.

Worked magic Mecha! I was using higher t3 at the start but like I said, gives me a raw throat idk why but it's way better than the lethargia.

Water retention is low I'm vascular af I did end up adding igf1 to the mix, as well as melatonin II still waiting to darken i need more sun from what I read. Awesome info mm!

 

[Maj7900]

Upping dosage of t3/t4 like you said worked perfectly. I still get a little tired here and there but it's very managable. Before I felt like I hadnt slept in a week it was horrible.

Worked magic Mecha! I was using higher t3 at the start but like I said, gives me a raw throat idk why but it's way better than the lethargia.

Water retention is low I'm vascular af I did end up adding igf1 to the mix, as well as melatonin II still waiting to darken i need more sun from what I read. Awesome info mm!

I’ve seen mech put T3 with tren quite a few times I may have to keep it on hand with my next run because I’d always used a bit of chocolate to combat it


Team MeccaGear!

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Upping dosage of t3/t4 like you said worked perfectly. I still get a little tired here and there but it's very managable. Before I felt like I hadnt slept in a week it was horrible.

Worked magic Mecha! I was using higher t3 at the start but like I said, gives me a raw throat idk why but it's way better than the lethargia.

Water retention is low I'm vascular af I did end up adding igf1 to the mix, as well as melatonin II still waiting to darken i need more sun from what I read. Awesome info mm!

The sore throat will stop after your thyroid adjust to what u added.
I have had good results with 50/50mcg of t3/t4 each. But better with 50mcg t3 and 100mcg t4
Actually the mix I was using was 50 of each
Then I switched to mix of t3 20mcg
T4 100mcg
It didn't cut it hands got edema in a few days.
I added 25mcg of t3 from t3 on its on.
That did the trick.

Yes the tiredness will fade as time goes on.
If u using around 5iu and added the t3/t4
Go along for the ride of 6 months min.
U will get lean as Sh8t and add that lean muscle mass spoken of...


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[Muscle mechanic]

I’ve seen mech put T3 with tren quite a few times I may have to keep it on hand with my next run because I’d always used a bit of chocolate to combat it


Team MeccaGear!

With tren sides can be tricky and suck.
I swore off to never using it again more than once.
But I don't like it too long and only now use the ace. I may try tren e again but low dose.

This last run with tren ace I got some bad gas and cramping with bloating in stomach and had bile in stomach, had to put finger on throat at 2am then fixed!!
I also stopped Anti-acids as we want acids to digest food with less we slow things down.
I fixed by stopping a few days restarting once clear and ate more fiber less junk lots of salad. When indigestion starts norm constipation already had. I take laxative 2-3 get that load out and better.


Anyway don't wanna ruin this thread so will say this tren at 75ace to 50prop 100mast best ratio for sides, FOR ME!
t3 helps def 50mcg suffient, and caber 0.5mg @2× wk

With t3 I wouldn't push it myself at higher doses. Only enough no more. Those higher doses are where things can get complicated with other things being out of whack that t3 control.

Some need more sure but it depends on what our body needs and our conversion along with suppression that some have more than others.
If i will use it then I will push hard at gym...
The extra amount of t3 with Anabolics will deliver more growth and being" FLAT"
I never experienced. Enough food and Anabolics will take care of that


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[Muscle mechanic]

Upping dosage of t3/t4 like you said worked perfectly. I still get a little tired here and there but it's very managable. Before I felt like I hadnt slept in a week it was horrible.

Worked magic Mecha! I was using higher t3 at the start but like I said, gives me a raw throat idk why but it's way better than the lethargia.

Water retention is low I'm vascular af I did end up adding igf1 to the mix, as well as melatonin II still waiting to darken i need more sun from what I read. Awesome info mm!

I started some igf too with my hgh.
Or pre-workout.
I am going to trt dose gear and Gonn a drop hgh to 3iu and come off t3/t4
I gotta do bloods in month!

MT2 new one I started I can only use 150mcg.
I burned up so bad on 250mcg I had to take cold bath and keep wet rag over head!!
And 1st brand worked great
Next one stronger.



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