In my opinion, Tren and EQ are to different animals TOTALLY !!! I have found from my experience wit both compounds over tha years , that Tren has always at least to my been a crazy strength gainer and THE finest lean muscle producer that I have come into contact wit, Bar NONE. Tren if your BF% is low enough( between lets say 12% and 8% or lower ) will give tha appearence of more definition due to tha quaility muscle that it will provide. EQ on tha other hand is not so much a strength agent or even a hard'n compound as it is a compound that tends to lend at nice full look to lean muscle by add'n just tha slightest amount of muscle gain but a very defined quaility look'n muscle growth( perhaps thats why it seems to take a while to see tha effects of EQ, most say around 3 to 5 weeks , even if you front load) which would explain tha vascularity that is common when doin EQ. If you're look'n to get a hard look, I translate that as a " dry" look you're talk'n Masteron, Flat out. If you want a strength gain and a dry look you may want to check Winnie. Thats just my take on what you guys are kick'n. Peace n Love