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A glass of grapefruit juice makes methandienone more effective


Achieve the same results by taking less methandienone? With ordinary grapefruit juice its possible. At least, you can read this into a review article published by Israeli pharmacologists in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
The Israelis' article is about the relationship between grapefruit and medicines. Scientists came across this at the end of the 1980s when doing experiments with strong-tasting substances. To make the comparison with the placebo group as true-to-life as possible, the researchers added a grapefruit taste to the preparations. Suddenly the levels of medicines being tested were much higher than you’d expect.


Later on it became clear that grapefruit inhibits the enzyme CYP3A4. This enzyme is responsible for breaking down substances in a process that scientists call 6-beta-hydroxylation. Medicines that are sensitive to this enzymatic process disappear quickly out of the body.


And still later scientists discovered that grapefruit only inhibits CYP3A4 in the small intestine. The enzyme is also found in the liver, but grapefruit does not affect it there. Less CYP3A4 in the small intestine therefore means that a large group of substances is more easily absorbed by the body.


Since then another protein has been found that is inhibited by grapefruit: P-glycoprotein or P-gp. P-gp is also found in the small intestine and also decreases the absorption of pharmacological substances.


The figure below shows what the effect can be. The graph shows the concentration of the medicine lovastatine broken down by CYP3A4 after drinking an amount of water – or an amount of grapefruit juice.






You reach maximum effect, the researchers say, after drinking a 250 ml glass of grapefruit juice. Four hours after intake, 47 percent of the enzyme has been deactivated. Twelve hours after drinking the juice, the effect was still pretty optimal. Twenty four hours afterwards, a third of the effect still remains.


It is not know which graperfruit compounds cause the effect. The old theory was that it was the work of naringin and its metabolite naringenin. Laboratory tests do not confirm this though. Another theory is that the furanocourmarin bergamottin – the flavouring in Early Grey tea – and its metabolite 6',7'-dihydroxybergamottin cause the inhibition, but in laboratory tests the effect was only slight. There are probably several phytochemicals at play, all of which contribute to the effect.


For the researchers, one of the conclusions of their study is that users of CYP3A4-sensitive medicines are better off avoiding grapefruit juice and the whole fruit. The dosages for these medicines are not based on improved bioavailabililty by grapefruit, and if this happens the users may experience more negative side-effects.


In the future, the Israelis add, once the grapefruit-effect is better understood, it may be possible to add the active ingredients to medicines so that dosages, and manufacturers' production costs, can be lowered.




Methandienone


Halotestin


Turinabol
The relevance of this publication for chemical athletes is that certain oral anabolic steroids are also broken down by CYP3A4. In the mid nineties doping hunter Wilhelm Schaenzer published a study on beta-hydroxylation of testosterone, boldenone, methyl testosterone, halotestin, methandienone and turinabol, which had been administered orally to the test subjects.


Schaenzer examined the metabolites in the urine of his human test subjects. He discovered that the 6-beta-hydroxylation of boldenone, testosterone and methyl testosterone was negligible, but was important for the breakdown of turinabol, methandienone and halotestin. Between 17 and 46 percent of these hormones leave the body in the 6-beta-hydroxylated form.


Source:
Eur J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jan; 58(1): 1-9.
Steroids. 1995 Apr; 60(4): 353-66.
 
It would be nice to know if this works with winstrol, anavar and a whole array of PH. Wonder why Schaenzer didn't test Winstrol which is the most popular oral around?
 
I would guess it does. Only one way to find out. On my next cycle with orals I'm gonna give it a try.
 
The chemical in grapefruit juice works with anything that has to be digested and passed through the liver. It's effects are dramatic... I'm not kidding here.... Silk and I go through 2 gallons of grapefruit juice every 4-5 days. Anything oral that we take (including pain meds) is taken with grapefruit juice. Even ECA is taken with grapefruit juice
 
I've seen a few studies on this. Some saying exactly what you've stated....and others saying you'd need to drink some ungodly amount of grapefruit juice to effectively deactivate the enzyme. I've tried the grapefruit thing with dbol and anavar....used both with and without grapefruit juice. Can't say I really noticed a difference but then again there are far too many variables to make a fair assessment. Diet, training, etc...
 
You would think that the scientific community would be all over this... but they are not.... here we are 2015 and we don't know the exact process or enzyme pathway responsible for this... then you think... pharma companies make money by selling more drugs... not less...
I know that people on Nitro are warned to not drink grapefruit juice as it amplifies the effects so much that people were literally dying... I also know that if I was taking 6-10mg Percocet at a time in the months following my surgery. After adding grapefruit juice I achieved the same effects with 3 Percocet. The effect is identical as it relates to Kratom. While I did not try Boladrol without grapefruit... with Grapefruit juice it was by far the most powerful oral I had ever taken. Double to triple the strength of Dbol, Anadrol, Winstrol, etc.
I have absolutely no doubt that effects of SARM's and AAS will be amplified by the use of grapefruit juice. You have to consider the length of time in which a blood level of 2100ng/dl to a blood level of 4100ng/dl would take to show itself... then there is the fact that over 3000ng/dl there may not be any additional growth or strength. The benefits of grapefruit juice are not getting higher blood levels with the same dose... it's getting the same blood levels with half the dose
The deal sealer for me was the percocet and Kratom. The difference is staggering and immediately apparent.
 
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