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[h=2]What's in your milk?[/h]What's in your milk? The hypothesis: Hormones and growth factors in dairy increase cancer risk. By Ivan Oransky Related Articles Slideshow: From feed to bottle Milk: It's electric The cow whisperer Dairy economics: Milking blood from a stone Milk and human health: What's the state of the evidence linking milk to human disease? Infographic: What's in your milk? A selected list of hormones, growth factors and other substances found in an 8-ounce glass of milk.

What's in your milk?
[h=3]The hypothesis: Hormones and growth factors in dairy increase cancer risk.[/h]By Ivan Oransky
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Kris Demko didn't grow up on a dairy farm, but as a child, she was a self-described "milkaholic."" For her parents - her mother is a striking former model - it was very important that their children be tall. That meant drinking lots of milk. Things were different for her husband, who she met at age 11 when he moved into her parent's Irish Catholic neighborhood. "My husband Joe's grandmother was Sicilian," says Demko. "I would almost always ask for a glass of milk. She was just agog. In Joe's house, nobody drank milk."
Demko was 39 when she was diagnosed with a very aggressive breast cancer, and she's convinced that all the milk she drank played a part. "I'm not saying my history of breast cancer is related solely to dairy intake, but it's probably a contributing factor," says Demko. The potential link between cancer and birth control pills also scares her. Now, at age 50, there's no milk in her San Francisco refrigerator.
Demko is also watching out for her college-aged daughter, whom she's enlisted in her efforts to organize scientists and learn as much as possible about the potential link between milk and cancer. One summer, her daughter did an independent research project with a scientist at University of California, San Francisco, measuring insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) in dairy products. IGF-1 has been associated in some studies with increased height as well as cancer.
In October, Demko, a former corporate banker, helped raise funds to bring together about three dozen dairy researchers, from nutritional epidemiologists to dairy scientists, at a McGill and Harvard-sponsored conference. It was the first time such a diverse group of milk researchers had been brought together under one roof. Practically everyone in the room could agree on several things. First, cow's milk contains steroid hormones such as estradiol and testosterone, and peptide hormones such as IGF-1. Second, drinking milk has been shown to boost serum levels of certain hormones, particularly IGF-1, in humans. Third, high levels of certain hormones, particularly IGF-1, have been shown to increase the risk of certain cancers.
Some epidemiologists have connected those three dots and have suggested that cow's milk increases the risk of cancer. For example, large epidemiologic studies have appeared in major journals, reporting that prostate cancer - particularly aggressive forms - seem to be associated with dairy intake, and perhaps more strongly with total calcium intake. Such intake may double or triple the risk of aggressive prostate cancers, which kill about 2-3% of men.
The three days of presentations led Harvard epidemiologist Walter Willett to conclude that current US dietary guidelines, updated in 2005, were too bullish on milk. "I think it's not wise to recommend three [8-ounce] glasses per day for adults. Probably, a serving a day is OK; I don't see much reason that would be harmful. I'm concerned about two glasses a day, and three has a strong potential for harm."
Willett wasn't a member of the committee that created the 2005 guidelines, and two of those nutritionists who were - Pennsylvania State University's Penny Kris-Etherton and Purdue's Connie Weaver - say the committee reviewed the benefits, as well as questions of food safety, carefully. Willett's comments were, however, consistent with his previous statements on the subject, and were met with nods and agreement by many of the conference participants.
Whether you can connect the dots between milk consumption, IGF-1, and prostate cancer, however, as Willett did at the conference, is hardly an area of consensus.
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Craig Baumrucker didn't grow up on a dairy farm. He's now a dairy scientist at Penn State, and he's exasperated by some of the claims being made against milk. Baumrucker, who attended the October conference and some of whose research is funded by dairy industry groups, doesn't connect epidemiologic associations, IGF-1, and cancer. "That mother's milk sustains and provides most needs for infants is without question," he says. "While it is known that milk's unique nutrition, such as special proteins and fats, [is] contributing some or all of this unique capacity, the suspected 'other factors such as hormones' are not clearly defined as contributing to these properties. Unless these known effects are controlled, evaluation of 'other factors' remains confounded."
IGF-1 is clearly on the list of "other factors" by those who say milk is harmful. As its name suggests, it's known to promote growth, and some studies have linked high levels of it to cancer and even to higher rates of twins. While no one really disagrees that drinking milk is associated with higher serum levels of IGF-1, the mechanism is the subject of debate.
"It is very clear that it does seem, in multiple international studies, by independent people, with independent biases, that consumption of milk does raise your IGF-1 levels," says Michael Pollak, an oncologist who studies cancer risk and IGF-1 at McGill University and who was one of the organizers of the conference. When it comes to the mechanism, "historically, there have been two camps," says Pollak. "One says that all the IGF-1 is fully digested, so the hypothesis that you can absorb IGF-1 is kind of preposterous." More recently, there has been "controversial but serious evidence," says Pollak, that rather than existing only as free protein in the whey fraction of milk, IGF-1 is also intimately bound to casein and may therefore survive the gut intact.
"I think that well-meaning objective scientists can agree to disagree there," says Pollak. "But there is another game in town, which is the idea that milk consumption could increase IGF-1, but not through absorption. Rather, now there is the plausible hypothesis that IGF-1 may not be absorbed, but the milk may still raise the IGF-1 because it includes a growth hormone secretagogue." Pollak speculates that the secretagogue could be a GHRH-like substance, or ghrelin, or simply the presence of optimal amino acids, which would easily make it through the gut. He notes that one of the tests endocrinologists use to determine whether the pituitary is active is to inject arginine into the bloodstream, suggesting a role for such amino acids: "It could be that milk evolved not only to increase growth, but to stimulate growth factor production. It's still an unproven concept."
Loren Cordain, a professor of health and exercise science at Colorado State University, says it's an insulinogenic effect rather than due to IGF-1 being absorbed. Baumrucker says he just doesn't know the mechanism and would like to see proper studies. "How do you account for nutritional status versus hormones?" he asks. He says one way to do that would be blinded studies that compare outcomes of people who drink normally constituted milk with those who drink milk from which IGF-1 or other proteins have been removed.
In the absence of such research, he's fairly unimpressed with the idea that absorption of IGF-1 plays a key role. "We're secreting these things all the time," he says of growth factors and steroids, at higher levels than milk could ever provide. Pasteurization reduces protein hormones by 10% to 15%, he points out, and ultrahigh-temperature processing, which makes it possible to keep milk unrefrigerated and is gaining ground in Europe, removes even more.
Ultimately, it may not matter for human health as to which mechanism is at work. "It's almost immaterial whether the strategy that nature devised was to absorb a hormone or to find a way to stimulate hormone production," says Pollak, who also isn't sure IGF-1 can be blamed for increased cancer risk. Whatever effect IGF-1 consumption is having, "it remains a very minor component of interpersonal differences," he says. The genetic component is quite strong, he notes. "You could have a non-milk drinker with an IGF-1 level of 200, and a milk drinker with an IGF-1 level of 120. But the reason you cannot connect the dots is that while milk raises IGF-1 levels, there are so many other factors that are raising levels."
Edward Giovannucci, who has studied milk consumption and prostate cancer as part of Willett's group, says the magnitude of the effect is relatively modest compared to the difference in prostate cancer risk. "Perhaps 2-3 glasses of milk per day may increase IGF-1 levels by 10%," he says. "Whereas in our data, we see a relative risk of fatal prostate cancer of 2-3. I think it could be part of the explanation, but it doesn't seem to account for the whole difference."
"Just because it's in milk, is there a biological effect? Show me a phenotype," says Baumrucker. "There's something about milk, but what the hell is it?"
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If you ask Baumrucker's colleague, Ron Kensinger, that "something about milk" isn't estradiol, either. Kensinger, another dairy scientist at Penn State, has measured estradiol levels in the milk of the 206 cows in the Penn State dairy research herd. The highest -17B levels, in cows that are late in pregnancy (greater than 141 days) was 3 picograms per milliliter. The test, he says, is highly sensitive, with a limit of detection of 0.7 pg/ml. Translated to a glass of raw whole milk - in other words, ignoring the effects of pasteurization and homogenization - that's 330 picograms. Drinking the US recommended dietary allowance of three glasses would add up to one nanogram per day. Compare that, says Kensinger, with the approximately 14 micrograms per day a prepubertal male produces, or the 24 micrograms per day a woman in the late stages of pregnancy produces. "So it's 1/1000th of the amount," he says.
Measurement of hormones, however, is not fool-proof. Saskia Sterk, of the EU Community Reference Laboratory in Brussels, said at the conference that current methods may be missing a decent percentage of many hormones, and her lab is working on better methods. Moreover, if IGF-1 really were getting stuck in the casein fragment, it wouldn't be measured by traditional methods, which look only at milk's whey fraction.
Even if the measurements are low, Kensinger isn't convinced that much of the hormones or growth factors in milk are bioactive in humans anyway. "Look at the data on birth-control pills," he says. "Only 30 to 50% of the steroid hormones in those pills crosses the gut to get to the bloodstream." Oral delivery just isn't very efficient, he says, and anything that does get to the bloodstream after passing through the gut hits the liver's first-pass metabolism, which decreases bioavailability by as much as 80%.
His data agree with epidemiologic studies of breast cancer and milk consumption. Scientists had hypothesized that the two would be related, either because of IGF-1 or estradiol in milk and the hormonal sensitivity of many breast cancers. Despite Demko's belief that milk has something to do with her breast cancer, however, epidemiologic studies have shown no relationship between the two, according to Pollak and Jianjun Zhang, an epidemiologist at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, who has published on prostate, breast, and colorectal cancer, and milk. "I'm not willing to accept that hormones in milk are a bad thing," says Kensinger, "and maybe the opposite is true."
 
So basically the stuff they say is bad for us in trace amounts contained in milk and meat, we purchase and inject large amounts into our bodies. That's awesome.
 
Everything we can get our hands on anymore causes cancer, it's getting a bit out of hand. I mean the plastic we use for water bottles causes cancer? You'd think every person who's ever died would have died from cancer with the way all this research is going
 
Too much sugar in milk for me. I used to drink nearly a gallon a day though... Now I'm really carb sensitive, so no more milk for me... Well, not much milk. Maybe in a bowl of cereal on cheat day.


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yeah i use to go through at least a gallon of whole milk daily, i use to force it down on purpose daily! And i loved it! Only stopped cause my belly got sensitive to it, and now i get cramps from milk for some odd reason!
 
I wish I could drink milk. I don't think it's the lactose but the fat component of it. After having my gallbladder out, I can actually tolerate milk a little more than I could in the past, but it still isn't enough. I'd theorize that there are definitely hormones in the milk, but they get mostly inactivated by the pasteurizing process. I say this because from my observations where I went to college, we had quite a few guys there from Idaho that had grown up working on a farm. Every single one of them drank raw milk from the cows, and every single one of them were 6' 4" - 6' 5" at least.
 
I thought of that too bigz. But the ultra high pasteurization process is only 302 F for 2 seconds. Alot of guys heat there test E at 275 F for 30 minutes for the final sterilization process. But I know what your saying. Raw is where it's at for sure. Presser you should have kept your wife pregnant you could have sold her milk on MC....:greedy:. MC RAWS! We need to purchase some whores from Russia or something and just keep them literally barefoot and pregnant and stockpile our own supermilk.
 
I thought of that too bigz. But the ultra high pasteurization process is only 302 F for 2 seconds. Alot of guys heat there test E at 275 F for 30 minutes for the final sterilization process. But I know what your saying. Raw is where it's at for sure. Presser you should have kept your wife pregnant you could have sold her milk on MC....:greedy:. MC RAWS! We need to purchase some whores from Russia or something and just keep them literally barefoot and pregnant and stockpile our own supermilk.


SOB that was funny shit. I loved breast milk from my wife, it was pretty hot lol. I'm pretty fucked up though.

I agree as far as raw milk though, if you can find it grab some. I can't drink a glass of regular store milk without gagging but when I buy raw from a local farm here it is awesome, no comparison in taste. Expensive though which is weird as what extra process do you do to it than milk the cow and bottle it.
 
That would be crazy if Presser dehydrated his wifes raw milk and sold it as a supplement. Or if they bought some Russians and his wife was in the basement whipping them screaming "More Milk Whores!!" WHIP!
 
That would be crazy if Presser dehydrated his wifes raw milk and sold it as a supplement. Or if they bought some Russians and his wife was in the basement whipping them screaming "More Milk Whores!!" WHIP!

Kind of like the scene out of New Jack City where the lab is packing everything lol
 
I have that movie recorded on my dvr lol. Been trying to find time to watch that geto shit. Judd Nelson, Ice T. W Snipes. Chris Rock lol. Brings back memories of high school. Buncha 2 bit hustlers that thought they were pimps..--> Not the movie the blacks in my H.S.
 
Lol ludicrous!
Why are we ignoring the fact that medical sciences has advanced enough for all of us to live longer on an average. Now given that cancer cells are produced (during cell multiplication process) and killed all day every day by our body. It just so happens that our bodies get less efficient as we get old and can't recognize cancer cells and fails to kill them.
So ignoring the fact that we have more carcinogenic factors in our environment now than ever, it is only normal for more people to die of cancer as they get old and live longer.
So point being, maybe work on finding ways to make our bodies stronger and healthier to live a quality life then worrying about what all can fucking kill us. What a pussy society we live in, tho we've never produced hotter pussies in the society before ;p


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The only thing I believe causes cancer is if you are disposed to getting it. My aunts smoked since they were fucking kids all their lives and my dad didn't and he dies from lung cancer. My wifes uncle has been a drunk and abused drugs all his life and he has missing teeth and smells is about 70 years old, my co workers wife gets liver cancer and she doesn't smoke or drink. I live in AZ and a co worker is a river rat and looks like a tanned hide and has never had cancer issues but another co worker gets one fucking freckle on his leg and has to ordeal painful treatment to treat his skin cancer. I know guys that have been on gear for YEARS and abuse it and I have been on gear and no cancer and pretty much zero health issues or negative side effects but a friend is hospitalized from NSAID poisoning and seems to have permanent GI issues now.

The only real outcome I get from any cancer awareness is that everyone I know that has had cancer has had the one thing every cancer patient has and that is that their pH levels are high naturally or by diet.
 
Lol ludicrous!
Why are we ignoring the fact that medical sciences has advanced enough for all of us to live longer on an average. Now given that cancer cells are produced (during cell multiplication process) and killed all day every day by our body. It just so happens that our bodies get less efficient as we get old and can't recognize cancer cells and fails to kill them.
So ignoring the fact that we have more carcinogenic factors in our environment now than ever, it is only normal for more people to die of cancer as they get old and live longer.
So point being, maybe work on finding ways to make our bodies stronger and healthier to live a quality life then worrying about what all can fucking kill us. What a pussy society we live in, tho we've never produced hotter pussies in the society before ;p


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Well put my friend
 
Thanks Big,

Buffalo, I agree with the genetic predisposition, lifestyle and the ph theory as well. But after all for most of us various mechanisms of body does slow down including cancer fighting abilities, immune system, growth cell etc.

Ray, yes sir, I did like the post and religiously so as I love me some chocolate milk any-day by the fcking liters lol

Cheers,


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This was just from today.

Jessie Grinnan, a stay-at-home mom from Palm Beach County, Fla., pays $13 a gallon for milk – and she couldn't be happier about it.
Grinnan drinks raw, unpasteurized cow's milk that she buys at a local farm. “It’s a full milk,” she says, “so it’s not watery and it’s not bland. It’s delicious, actually, and I’m not a huge milk drinker.”
Called “moonshine milk,” they’re buying it on farms sold as "pet food" or through a cow or animal share program.​
Grinnan believes raw milk has health benefits. She says her husband couldn’t tolerate pasteurized milk and has found relief from his allergies since they switched to raw milk. She says she also doesn’t want her 23-month-old son drinking anything whose origins she can’t identify.
“I feel comfortable and confident giving it to my family. I’m very particular about where it comes from – it’s not some random miserable cow that’s lived in a box,” Grinnan says.
Fans of raw milk are going to extremes to get their hands on it, even if there are laws blocking the sale for human consumption. Called “moonshine milk,” they’re buying it on farms sold as "pet food" or through a cow or animal share program.
Florida is one state that blocks the sale of it in stores.
But there are some problems and liabilities surrounding the consumption of raw milk.
The Centers for Disease Control, the Food and Drug Administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture and other government organizations say raw milk poses serious health risks.
According to the CDC, raw milk carries a host of germs that can make people sick, including bacteria like Salmonella and E. coli; parasites like Giardia and viruses like norovirus. It says the risk of getting sick is greater for babies and young children, the elderly, pregnant women and people with weakened immune systems.
"Raw milk can carry harmful germs that can make you very sick or kill you,” the CDC says on its website. “If you're thinking about drinking raw milk because you believe it has health benefits, consider other options."
The American Association of Pediatrics, too, strongly opposes raw milk consumption. It released a policy statement last December advising pregnant women, infants and children to consume only pasteurized milk, cheese and other milk products, and it called for a ban on the sale of raw milk in the U.S.
Nonetheless, a budding raw milk fad and a populist call for less food regulation have created a movement to get lawmakers to ease longtime restrictions on the sale and shipment of milk straight from the cow.
Laws about raw milk differ widely by state. Twelve states allow it to be sold in retail stores, and it can be purchased in almost every other state on farms, as "pet food" or through a cow or animal share program.
Laws to limit restrictions on raw milk sales were introduced this year in several states, including Louisiana, Maryland and Massachusetts. In Washington, Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) introduced two bills nationally: the “Milk Freedom Act of 2014,” which would overturn a ban on interstate shipment, and the “Interstate Milk Freedom Act of 2014,” which would allow shipment of raw milk between states where sales are legal.
Other states, including New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland and Virginia, have thriving black markets for raw milk, says Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation, a nutrition foundation that advocates for nutrient-dense whole foods.
Proponents of raw milk cite European research including the 2007 PARSIFAL studyand the 2011 GABRIELA study demonstrating that unpasteurized milk from cows, sheep and goats provides a wealth of health benefits, including protection from asthma and allergies. They also refer to testimonials from people who say it helps heal osteoporosis, arthritis, digestive problems, fatigue, weight issues and even cancer.
They say the government’s stance is out of date and is designed to protect the status quo for milk processors.
“[The opposition] is really based on a paradigm that no longer has credibility, and that is that everything has to be sterile and that the body has to be sterile,” Morell says. “We now know that to be healthy we have to have lots of good bacteria inside of us. Raw milk is such a great food – it provides the components that we need to support good bacteria in the gut.”
Pasteurization heats milk to temperatures high enough to annihilate risky bacteria, but raw milk supporters say the process also destroys all the good bacteria and digestive enzymes that are necessary for gut health and anti-allergenic properties. Milk producers say there’s no scientific evidence to support claims that thepasteurization process has any negative effect on the milk.
According to the CDC, there were 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations and two deaths attributed to raw milk or raw milk products from 1998 through 2011. The two deaths were not caused by liquid milk, but by a Mexican-style queso fresco (a.k.a. “bathtub cheese”).
Critics note that there also were 2,181 illnesses, 32 hospitalizations and four deaths in those same years due to pasteurized milk and milk products.
But it is not a fair comparison. A FoodNet survey conducted by the CDC in 2007 found that only 3 percent of Americans said they drank raw milk.
Major milk industry groups are staunchly opposed to raw milk consumption. The International Dairy Foods Association and the National Milk Producers Federation recently penned a joint letter to state senators in South Dakota urging the rejection of legislation designed to ease restrictions on its sale. The letter stated, "Consumption of raw milk is a demonstrated public health risk. The link between raw milk and foodborne illness has been well documented in the scientific literature, with evidence spanning nearly 100 years. Raw milk is a key vehicle in the transmission of human pathogens, including E. coli O157:H7, Campylobacter, Listeria monocytogenes, and Salmonella."
Raw milk supporters say the claims of danger from unpasteurized milk are widely exaggerated. “And so much of this (raw) milk is not regulated,” Morell says. Referring to the numbers of illnesses, she says, “We think that could come down to almost zero if there were regulations.”
In California, where the sale of raw milk is legal and heavily regulated, Organic Pastures Dairy sells to 625 stores, 50 buyer's clubs, 20 farmer's markets and an estimated 80,000 customers a week, says founder Mark McAfee.
He says customers are clamoring for it, and his farm can’t keep up with the demand.
“People are choosing raw milk or no milk or almond milk because of the allergenicity of pasteurized milk. It’s the single most allergenic food in America,” he says.
McAfee cites the PARSIFAL study, a 2007 European analysis of 14,893 children aged 5-13 that showed the consumption of raw milk may offer protection against asthma and allergies.
He and Morell agree that research and regulations like the ones in place in California are key ingredients for the safe consumption of raw milk.
“There’s been a real stigma against studying it for fear you’ll lose your funding,” Morell says.
Supporters want to see the laws change so consumers can purchase -- and drink -- what they please.
“People are tired of the government telling them what they can do and what they can’t do,” says Morell.
But opponents say raw milk is not a prescription for good health.
“There’s no scientific reason in 2014 to even consume raw milk,” says Dr. Jatinder Bhatia, MD, FAAP, co-author of AAP’s policy statement.
“If you want to drink it, it’s a personal choice, that’s not for me to question. But if you get sick from raw milk, if you get E. coli for example, you then have the potential to give it to your children and husband ... it’s not only you, it’s those around you as well. If you’re pregnant and you do this, you put your fetus at risk.”

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