Prop/Tren/Orals 8 week cycle

[demid22]

Hey all,
Im looking to get some advice on a cycle I have coming up. Ive done several cycles in the past. Prop solo. prop and an orla(dbol or tbol). Cyp and deca (with oral). etc. My question is I havent really messed with Tren and I would love to add it to my next cycle. Im 6ft 212lbs 29YO. Diet is pretty strict and training never suffers. Im looking to run 8 weeks of prop and tren, along with an oral. Im not sure if I should use the oral as a kickstart, or use it as a finisher. I can get my hands on dbol/tbol/Var. Next would be dosing. Obviously Ill be pinning everyday. But ive seen some cycles people use high test low tren, and vica versa. Im just wondering what would be the most beneficial to make tren do its thing, seeing as it is 5 times stronger than test. Now before you ask, Yes ill have AI on hand and a solid PCT in place before ever even starting. My other questions come down to caber and proviron. these 2 things seem to pop up alot with a nan cycle (deca or tren) and im just wondering if they should be included and at what dosages as from what i can find, the dosages vary so much.

If theres anything else i missed that would need attention please feel free to let me know, as im always learning.

Thanks Guys.

 

[Iron Game]

I would just see how your body reacts to tren and test p. Both short esters so you don't need to kick start or use an oral as a finisher. Give the tren a chance to do its thing. In regards to dose. I stick with double test to tren. So something like 75 mg tren eod and 150 test p eod. That is how I learned and what works for me. Many like every day injections but that works for them. Start slow and see how tren works for you. Many brothers can't/don't like the sides and quit. As for prolactin issues I will leave that to someone else b/c I haven't had them (yet). I believe most prefer proviron...

 

[Presser]

i agree with iron game, always keep my testosterone higher than my tren ace! also no need for an oral steroid as the short esters will suffice!

grab some anti-p from our store to combat the progestrone , its dostinex.

store address is www.musclechemistry.com we have all the ancillaries you will need if you need more then what you already have on hand.

8 weeks is a pretty short cycle in my opinion but considering your using tren acetate and test propionate , youll still get good solid gains in that short time, but for me i wouldnt do anything less than 12 weeks on that cycle! and I would also add winstrol and igf-1 lr3 to the cycle!

 

[demid22]

Thanks for the replies guys. Ok so Ive seen both caber and proviron used in a cycle with tren (or deca). Obviously proviron(mesterolon) is an ananolic and caber is used for prolactin issues. Would either of these be beneficial to add to such a cycle and at what dosing? Ill definetly need something for prolactin with running tren.

Presser, I checked out the anti-P. What kind of dosage are we talking? would this take the place of caber in a cycle like this?


Edit: Damn, mustve read to fast. Didnt see where you said the anti-P is dostinex. lol. same shit.

 

[MUCH BIGGER]

I Love Tren. I agree 8 weeks is too short. 12 weeks minimum and since this is your first time using Tren I suggest start at 50mg dose and adjust accordingly. Since it is a fast acting ester in the Tren A and Test P you should be able to raise or lower doses as you see fit. Good luck and keep us posted in a log. If you do use an oral I suggest Var at the end of a 12 week cycle.

 

[demid22]

Presser....with winny...would you run it along side then tren. Im.seeing some cycles people stopping the tren and picking up the winny.

Also.... should tren be stopped earlier than prop or same time? Seeimg mixed ideas on that as well.

Also going to add in hcg. Good start dose 500iu/wk??

 

[Soulreaver]

I have ran test and tren in both combos and with long and short esters. What I have found is that when I keep my test to about a TRT dose and run my tren high I don't seem to get all those nasty sides. I have also noticed that this combo works better for a cut. Now the high test and low/mid tren seems to work great for strength and bulking but the sides are definetly more noticeable. I would also agree with MUCH BIGGER in that 8 weeks is definetly to short. I have seen good success with 12 - 16 week runs.

 

[Presser]

Presser....with winny...would you run it along side then tren. Im.seeing some cycles people stopping the tren and picking up the winny.

Also.... should tren be stopped earlier than prop or same time? Seeimg mixed ideas on that as well.

Also going to add in hcg. Good start dose 500iu/wk??

no bro, you want to take the winstrol alongside the tren ace and propionate! together they work synergistically amazing! For me not taking the winstrol with tren and prop is like not taking the caffiene with your ephedrine and aspirin in an eca stack, you have to take all 3 together to get the full benefit

 

[demid22]

I certainly understand, longer cycles are generally better. And i agree with this. My best cycle to date was my 16 week cyp/deca cycle. However I was under the impression you wouldnt want to run tren that long? Am i wrong on this?

COuld it be because of the ED pinning, thats why i always see it ran short? Or is there another reason? Suggestions?

 

[MUCH BIGGER]

I have run Tren E @ 200mg for 18 weeks (with the appropriate anti-p and such) I loved it and am ready to do it again.

 

[demid22]

I might consider that for a future cycle, but im specifically referring to tren ace this time, as thats what ive got.

 

[MUCH BIGGER]

The longest I ran Tren Ace was 12 weeks and I felt like a human pin cushion.that's why I stopped. Loved the gains and the indestructable feeling I get while on cycle

 

[demid22]

Out of curiosity....what do you all think about running this for 12 weeks. test prop and tren ace for 12 weeks. but adding in winny for 6 of those weeks and mast for the other 6? Just something im mulling over in my head. Whats your thoughts?

Id like to point out, I will be running an AI with all this. I will have dostinex on had. I will have HcG.

 

[Presser]

i love the idea of cycling test prop, tren ace and winstrol, but 12 weeks of tren is too much for me, but yeah the combo is amazing together, thats what i run along with igf, its my go to cycle for mass, strength and vascularity all rolled up into one

 

[demid22]

Well maybe ill just run the tren 10 weeks and the rest the full 12. But my main question is, what do you think about also adding masteron? like weeks 1-6 mast weeks 7-12 winny or vica versa. Strictly just curious at this point. This is how we learn.


oh and which do you prefer, Injecting winny or just taking it orally? Im not sure how to mix it up if its better to inject. Ill have to look it up.

 

[Presser]

Well maybe ill just run the tren 10 weeks and the rest the full 12. But my main question is, what do you think about also adding masteron? like weeks 1-6 mast weeks 7-12 winny or vica versa. Strictly just curious at this point. This is how we learn.


oh and which do you prefer, Injecting winny or just taking it orally? Im not sure how to mix it up if its better to inject. Ill have to look it up.

ive never done masteron, but knowing how it works i would say Vice Versa, start with winstrol and end with masteron, thats what i see most guys doing anyhow,

 

[demid22]

Ill keep ya posted how it goes. Im awaiting that Anti-P

Ive decided to run tren for 10 weeks. prop for 12. winny 1-6 and mast 7-12. taking hcg x2/week (starting at 250iu). AI e3d (will adjust as needed). And of course the Anti-P as needed when I get it. PCT is standard. clomid-100/100/50/25 nolva-40/40/20/20

 

[Iron Game]

Sounds good brutha, how about start a log?

 

[Presser]

sounds like a plan brutha!