ok, funny I just talked with both guys yesterday to get some more feed back. One guy is still adding weight and staying lean. He is eating clean also. So he is very happy. The other one is losing body fat and is dropping weight , while he is trying to bulk up lean. So he is getting bigger but staying lean, at first he couldnt figure it out, as he thought for sure his weight would start to climb, but the IGF is keeping the slop weight off. They are both happy with the IGF.