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Stereotyping Dr's

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Doctors stigmatise steroids users
On online forums for steroids users, experiences with doctors are disappointing. Doctors not only know little about steroids, but are also likely to express their negative opinion of users, say most forum visitors. According to psychologists at the State University of New Jersey, the juice heads are not just making this up. They published the results of a study in Body Image, which shows that doctors do indeed stigmatise steroids users.

Study
The researchers got 148 doctors to read four pieces of text, in which they presented four different versions of Mark. The first version was 'No Problem Mark'.






Doctors stigmatise steroids users



The other three texts started off in exactly the same way, as shown above, but each one ended with an extra sentence. In one case that was: When Mark feels particularly stressed, he admits to compulsively bingeing on several types of fast foods. The day after a bingeing episode, Mark will exercise for a longer period of time in order to burn off the extra calories gained from the bingeing.

Another text ended with: Mark admits to using cocaine once a week.

And the final sentence in the last text went: Mark admits to using anabolic steroids intermittently throughout the year.

Then the psychologists asked the doctors to estimate the psychological makeup of the four Marks. Would they be willing to seek help? Were they industrious or lazy? Honest or dishonest? Did they have willpower or were they weak? Moral or immoral? Friendly or unfriendly? Optimistic or pessimistic? Successful or unsuccessful? Brave or cowardly?

Results
The doctors had a more negative opinion of both Eating Disorder Mark and Steroids Mark than of No Problem Mark. Interestingly, the doctors' view of Cocaine Mark was only a little different from their opinion of No Problem Mark.

Doctors stigmatise steroids users



Conclusion
"The existence and persistence of negative perceptions of individuals who use and abuse AAS have several implications", wrote the psychologists. "Stigma by health care professionals may further delay and/or reduce individuals' health care seeking, which may in turn exacerbate the physical and psychological problems AAS users experience."

"Delay in health care seeking may also mean that other risky behavior associated with AAS use, such as other drug use goes undetected and untreated, leading to additional physical and psychological problems."
 
Dr's suck. If it's not something easy to diagnose and treat. If it takes individual thinking. If it's not in the PDR. It seems like they use a magic 8 ball to treat it.
Besides dealing with HRT I have dealt with it with my sick mom over the last 10 years.
 
i have been experiencing the god complex of doctors for years, due to being in the medical field for years. i use to think badly of steroids to a greater degree, largely due to misconceptions about their proper use. the ability of them to enhance ones life through an appropriately managed use, makes them desirable to add to ones workout regimen. it is too bad that far too often a couple of freak incidents happen and all the medical community jumps on this bandwagon of vilifying the drug or supplement, banning its use.
i often say doctors need to go back to college to dumby down, because they have this mentality that what ever they were taught in med school is completely accurate. there is also the perception that people are just like their book scenarios, when people aren't books. currently, i am going through this again, with my doctor, through the va, who is very reluctant to any hrt, knowing full well i have very low t, along with a myriad of symptoms from it. and these people are educated.
 
Absolutely, being symptomatic and having low t you have a right to be treated for it but truthfully I know people who have more luck getting opiates than a script for low t.
Last Dr. I actually discussed it with refused to even test my testosterone at first. We had a very heated discussion. She ended up doing the blood work, it was low and she refused to treat me for it. Instead she referred me to an endocrine Dr. Bad experience all around.
 
I've had the same experience as Iron Game. Including heated discussions. I will add that most doctors don't know SHIT about hormones, including the endocrinologist I saw about HRT. I have learned more about hormones and how to manage mine properly on this site and through trial and error!

This endocrinologist came highly recommended. She then proceeded ti make several completely false statements. One of which was what happens to serum blood levels of testosterone with weekly injections (her contention was that 2 week injections is the only appropriate regimen). According to her, serum levels of test would continuer to climb higher and higher with weekly injections. I told her that simply isn't true. Well. How dare I question the all knowing doctor? "What makes you think that?" She said in a condescending tone.

Says I, "Two years worth of bloodwork in that folder right there."

That ended that conversation...
 
Doctors' arrogance is not limited to steroid use, either. I'm a recovering alcoholic/drug addict, sober 30 years. I've had doctors totally blow me off when I tell them NO NARCOTICS and hand me a script for percocet. I handed it back, repeating the NO MARCOTICS and with the reason why. He then gave me Darvocet, which I'd never heard of, and ASSURED me it was non narcotic.

I found out the hard way the following day that was a lie! I had to go sleep it off after I took a 2nd pill an hour afterthe first, thinking I was safe.

Docs who are so arrogant that they think they know better than the patient what the patient's needs are, are dangerous.
 
I have the best doc.....he is our family doc and is very pro testosterone and HGH. Even had him write T3 and lasic for me when needed. He said dont waste your money on online drug store, you never know the quality, let me write you a Rx for that...and for that i mean, clomid, hcg, t3, lasic, armidex, test etc......very open and he knows everything I am on and all he says is come in for blood work every other month to make sure your levels are all ok.....going on 8 years now with him and couldnt be happier...there are some cool doctors out there but more than not there are some bad ones or uneducated ones about gear....
 
getting a small dose opiate was easy once i proved i had degenerative disc disease, otherwise it was out. couldn't get hardly anything
before that for chronic pain syndrome from service. i had a rheumatologist who was so thoughtless as to believe the calouses on my hands would go away in a couple of weeks, when they are basically permanent from years of labor and heavy lifting. what a nincompoop. do these people live in bubbles and not know what real life is like. i once had a family doctor who was more willing to listen and be in the know, but alas, he retired.
 
getting a small dose opiate was easy once i proved i had degenerative disc disease, otherwise it was out. couldn't get hardly anything
before that for chronic pain syndrome from service. i had a rheumatologist who was so thoughtless as to believe the calouses on my hands would go away in a couple of weeks, when they are basically permanent from years of labor and heavy lifting. what a nincompoop. do these people live in bubbles and not know what real life is like. i once had a family doctor who was more willing to listen and be in the know, but alas, he retired.
It's a turn um and burn um business now. Insurance company's
 
We think of Doctors with perhaps a little more reverence than they deserve. Like anything there are good and bad Doctors. Remember that Med School teaches you to diagnose and treat. We are in a different camp altogether. As bodybuilders we want to thrive. This isn't the application of Medicine that they were taught. I'm sure along the way many develop a God complex and many do save lives. We are really blazing a new path. It's not reasonable to expect Doctors to be familiar with the information we have attained through self experimentation in our rather limited sub culture. If you're going to play this game you need to be knowledgeable. Don't count on a Dr to accurately diagnose your issues at all times given the extra variables we introduce.
And of course the Dr's don't judge the cocaine user harshly... before Adderall that was the grail of getting through Med School!
 
Small towns treat Doctors like Gods. I was kicked out of an office for disagreeing with the staff. They told me to leave or they would call the cops. This happened after I quoted the law to them regarding my wife's meds. They wanted her to come back every month to get her script(pay an office visit each time) that by law can be prescribed every 6 months. From now on, I will just go to the local vet supply and if I get sick, take the fishmox. This is the same thing as augmenten. MD's are about helping people anymore, it about turn and burn and make that money.
 
You got it! Turn em and burn um! And don't bring up more than one issue. After the first one you can litteraly see their eyes glaze over thinking about something else. I'm talking some leading drs not to mention the staff. Dr's at Washington Hospital Center, Georgetown University Hospital, & the other leading hospitals in Washington D.C. I have been to them all and more specialist than I could ever count for issues with my mom. Including 2 x this month it's been going on for about 10 years. So much incompetence the have had to call security on me at the hospitals several times.
I don't remember where I was going with this our whole medical system sucks, insurance, Dr's, receptionists, medical assistance's (what a joke they are if people only knew their last job was taking orders at McDonald's) not all but most have zero medical education. We haven't made any progress in the field of "healing" in decades. No wonder there are ugls and labs where you get your own bloods done. Thank god for forums like MUSCLECHEMISTRY.COM. At least we have information on hormone management for a better living! Whatever....rant over....
 
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I have a family friend that had cancer a few years ago and went to the Mayo Clinic. The local Docs did some test and she just felt that she needed to go back to Mayo and they were able to find a new cancer and get it taken care of. The locals didn't even find the cancer. She told us that her Doc spent the entire day with her not just a few minutes in the room. Apparently she was his only patient that entire day.
 
Yeah...on that subject my 30 year old brother-in-law with 5 kids and a new wife. Was sick went to the local hospitals a couple times in a couple months. Sent home each time with antibiotics. One hospital said it was cat scratch fever, which I didn't even realize was real. Finally after 4 months he went to Washington Hospital Center they figured out it was non-hodgins lymphoma (not sure about spelling ) usually very treatable, rarely a death sentence much less for a 30 year old man. Nevertheless he died. His original diagnosis CAT SCRATCH FEVER????
WTF....
 
that's definitely worse than my granddaughter jumping on the couch and falling off, hurting herself. the er doc treats
her knee and wraps it in an ace bandage. ended up going to another er because of her complaint, come to find out,
she had a broken ankle. now, that is pure incompetence and the first doc was certainly at his level of it. just thankful it wasn't something worse.
 
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