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t3 experience

Crazymank

MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Im thinking about trying t3 next cycle. One thing i don't understand is, why dont more people use it. IF it speeds up the metabolism, wouldn't it also speed up recovery time? therefore should be as important as nutrition????

why is it that people dont run it with every cycle???
 
Im thinking about trying t3 next cycle. One thing i don't understand is, why dont more people use it. IF it speeds up the metabolism, wouldn't it also speed up recovery time? therefore should be as important as nutrition????

why is it that people dont run it with every cycle???

The stuff can shut down your t-3 for life if taken more than 6 weeks,or a very high dose.It won't speed up recovery time at all.It not someething people should use unless they compete.
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Hey norm - He is right in that T3 can be dangerous, and I think that's what stops most people from running with their cycles. Honestly, I haven't done any specific looking into the effects of certain doses of exogenous T3 with or without cycles of androgens. However, I will get some done on it tonight. I can however explain how T3 works to everyone else who will read this.

T3 (triiodiothyronine) is produced by the follicular cells in the thyroid gland. This is stimulated normally by in increase in both TRH (thyroid releasing hormone) and TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) from the hypothalamus and anterior pituitary (respectively). What actually happens is that TRH will stimulate TSH which will in turn stimulate the production of both T4 and T3 from the thyroid glad, however about 90% of the thyroid hormone produced by the thyroid is T4, which is the inactive form. T4 can circulated in the blood, bound to thyroid binding globulin, for up to 7 days and it's sole job is to get to the liver or other peripheral tissues. Once here it can get off of the TBG and get inside of the cell where it will be changed into T3. The life of T3 once it is in the blood is much shorter than T4, it will last only 1 day. However, T3 is 10x more active than T4 and thus is the main thyroid hormone our bodies use.

The main effect of T3 in the body is to increase the BMR (basal metabolic rate). However, there are many other things that happen due to this. Thyroid hormones will increase both your cardiac output (the amount of blood your heart pumps out/min) and ventilation. This will lead to an increase in oxygen consumption as well as an increase in your metabolic rate. This increase in the metabolic rate is what gives you an increase in thermogenic response (i.e. feeling hot all of the time).
Another important aspect is that thyroid hormones are protein anabolic under normal conditions, but will become protein catabolic when the levels are high. (I don't know right now what level it is where they change from anabolic to catabolic.) This catabolism explains the decreased muscle mass and increase urea (removal of nitrogen) seen in people who pathologically have hypersecretion of T3 (hyperthyroidism diseases like Graves disease).
A 3rd important effect of thyroid hormones is that they are lypolytic (destruction of fat cells).So increased T3 will cause an increase in appetite from the increase in BMR, but also an increase in weight loss, due to the lipolysis.
Thyroid hormones will also increase synthesis of GH and Somatomediens (IGF-1, IGF-2, and IGF-3). However when T3 is hypersecreted it will increase production of Somatostatins which will inhibit both GH and IGF, as well as many other things.

Thyroid hormone is definitely essential to our bodily functioning. It does many wonderful things for us, that I believe can be augmented by raising the levels of T3 in our bodies (especially for bodybuilders). However, the problem becomes trying to decide how much to raise it and where the benefits stop and the problems begin. You also have to worry about what happens to your levels of TRH and TSH when you body no longer feels that it needs to make T3 or T4. Taking T3 orally will decrease both TRH and TSH, which will in turn shut down your natural production of T3. So you definitely need to go on T3 and come off of it in steps.

I can't tell you exact levels right now from my personal knowledge b/c I've never used it and have never done the research on my own to check out the numbers. However I can tell you what you will see in people who take too much thyroid or come off of it too quickly.

People that take too much T3 will show signs of - high BMR, proptosis (bug eyes), increased ventilation rate (leading to acidosis), sweating, increased appetite, weight loss, tachycardia (very fast heart rate), increased cardiac output, fine tremors, restlessness, nervousness, and emotional instability.

People who come off of T3 to quickly will show signs of - BMR decreased, leads to obesity, personality change, mental instability, lethargy, hair starts to fall out, skin becomes thick and dry, and poor skeletal muscle tone.

That's a long enough post for now. I am sure that there are holes in this as I am not using any sources. So please ask questions if you have them or point out where I have screwed up on this. Also, I am going to look into the dosage guides for T3. However, I know many other people on here have experience with T3 so please post those experiences here.
 
ive never noticed anything but a more ripped look from using t3.

of course the clen, test and clean diet probably deserve alot of credit too.
 
btw... spider... good read... didn't mean to diss you on that AT ALL .... i got plenty of T3 cycling etc too....
 
Good read on t3, but Spiderman, what do you think about t4? I tested on the low side when I went to my endo, and he gave me a prescription for t4, 137mcg, as a trial to see if that would help me. I wasn't sure I wanted to use it, but I filled the prescription. I got a little too confused though as to what it would do, and I didn't want to lose any muscle so I haven't used it. Now that I'm on HGH, 5 iu/day, should I use the t4? I would think it would be just enough to keep thyroid levels normal while I'm on HGH, but I'm not sure.
 
saudades- my wife is on t4. Its more common for low thyroid. I've taken it on occasion. First time, it kept me up for almost 24 hours... lol. from what i've read, its less consentrated than t3.

Well, Im going to definatley give t3 another shot.. since i cant afford HGH right now.
 
Man I read an article in musclemag years ago about a former ms. olympia chick who screwed herself for life........They showed her at her prime where she looked jacked then they showed her present photo where she was fat even with prescribed t3.

That stuff kinda scares me when you think about the possibility of non reversal although it most likely comes from abuse.
 
Man I read an article in musclemag years ago about a former ms. olympia chick who screwed herself for life........They showed her at her prime where she looked jacked then they showed her present photo where she was fat even with prescribed t3.

That stuff kinda scares me when you think about the possibility of non reversal although it most likely comes from abuse.


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Sry guys....exam Friday and Monday so I haven't been on much today.

Stick - Never thought you were dissin me brother. People need as many sources of info as they can get...they definitely shouldn't go off of what I say b/c "All information given by Spiderman is for entertainment purposes only." right...haha. It's always good to have you comment on threads
 
Saudades - that makes sense to me. Were you taking anything when you had your low levels of T4, aside from your insulin which I don't think affects TSH much? As long as the script isn't really old and you are still close to the same body weight you were when he prescribed it, you should be ok taking it. Although it would probably be a really good idea to have you doc check your T4 levels again before you take it, just to see where they are with GH. Does he/she know that you use GH?

That's up to you...but if your levels were low before and you weren't on anything, I would think that trying out some T4 at the dosage he gave you and using the regimen he prescribed would be ok. I don't think it will make you lose muscle mass b/c you were really hypothyroid. Do you happen to remember what the level of your T4 (thyroxine) was before?

As to what I think about T4, it's commonly used in people who are a little hypothyroid, but not extremely hypothyroid. T4 is what you have more of in your body and it gets converted to T3 in the cytoplasm of different tissues, which is good b/c T3 is 10x as strong and is what your body uses. If you had low T4, then you had open nuclear receptors for T3 b/c you weren't making enough for your body. So prescribing T4 is an indirect way to increase T3. It's definitely not going to increase your thyroid activity as much as T3 would, which is good...at least for someone who isn't completely hypothyroid with a huge goiter bulging out of their neck. I think the common form of T4 is Unithroid (levothyroxine). Hope it helps some man...if you decide to take some let me know how it works out...
 
Im on synthroid because I tested low for natural t4. Something interesting is the way I got diagnosed with this is because of a massive weight gain of 40 pounds in a month and also extreme issues with anxiety. I have to get it tested every couple of months to adjust dosages. I am on 100 mcgs currently to get my levels to the lower side of normal. I have to work my rear off to cut. I will be on it forever due to a condition called hashimotos syndrome. It is hereditary and my mom has it as well. Shes on 325mcgs of synthroid a day. The great danger in this is that when you start supplementing it, as was mentioned in a previous post, your body will shut down natural production just like your nuts shrive on test. You can really foul yourself up. Saud if he prescribed that to you it means your metabolic rate is off. Low I would guess. One other thing you need to watch is if you are hypo and I am pretty sure you are, when you start it you may have to eat more often to prevent it. Just what I know about it.
 
I doubt that it would affect your gains.

I would be more worried about the low thyroid level and what else it could effect. Spider, do you know what else TSH effects?
 
It could affect your gains if your thyroid levels get to high, by increasing BMR so much that your body starts to break down muscle (into amino acids) to be used for the increased energy caused by the increased BMR. However, Dreww is right that the low thyroid levels you experience off of T4, which could be potentiated by taking T4, could be a problem. This is due to your TSH being shut down lower if your body doesn't have to produce as much T4. However, as long as you aren't taking enough T4 to take over production completely, you will probably be alright. However, this is the reason to get the levels checked again, especially if you are thinking about using T4.

Hypothyroid symptoms are exactly what JT had. He has Hashimoto's Thyroidits which is an auto-immune disease where the body starts attacking the thyroid gland cells and killing them, so there is significantly diminished thyroid hormone production. Decrease BMR = significant weight gain, lethargy, skin becoming thick and dry due to less sweating, problems with nerve myelination and arborization can = mental changes. These are the things to watch out for with low thyroid levels.
 
So spiderman how would you like to be my new endocrinologist? LOL. I must say you are dead on the head. Maybe not the best reference but you are right on bro. If you think about it people who are hyperthyroid usually have (ectomorphs) a hard time putting on mass. They have bugged out eyes and usually stay thin despite eating anything they want. I have a good friend who literally eats 7k worth of calories everyday and stays 145 pounds. He is as close to having no muscle as a human can be. It is gonna be hard to find the magic point on supplementing where you do it at the exact amount to max out your metabolism and don't burn muscle as well as making sure you don't get addicted as in your body needing it. Just be careful.
 
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