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Test/tren/winny by 3J

3J

Musclechemistry Member
RUNNING WITH MONSTERS:
TEST PROP, TREN ACE, AND WINNY

BY: 3J

3J's Nutrition | Diet and fitness consulting to get you to the next level.


The purpose of this article is to educate and help support the use of a very powerful cycle; Test prop, Tren ace, and Winny. The correlation of short esters, the monster that Tren is, and the drying effects of winny make this cycle great for a summer shredder. Before we get into the cycle itself, lets talk about the compounds separately.


TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE:

When it comes to compounds and stacking testosterone is king. It is the foundation which cycles are built upon. Running any compound without the use of testosterone will leave you with hormone levels similar to a females. Testosterone propionate is a fast acting ester. With a 3 day half-life, it requires a more frequent dosing schedule to reach and maintain stable blood levels. Ideally, prop should be injected every day, but every other day injections have been deemed acceptable (but not optimal). Dosages for testosterone prop range from a minimum of 50mg every other day up to 150mg every other day (some may choose to go higher, but must understand that high dosing should be reserved for very advanced bodybuilding). Estrogen side effects are an issue with prop. Though the peak values of prop are usually lower than those of longer esters, it hits you much faster. If you are sensitive to aromatization its recommended you take the necessary precautions with an SERM or AI.




TRENBOLONE ACETATE




Trenbolone acetate, or tren ace as its more popularly known, is by far one of the most powerful injectable anabolic steroid. It is considered five times more powerful both anabolic and androgenic properties than testosterone. Tren is a derivative of testosterone. The 19th position of testosterone was altered to give us Tren. Being a 19-nor, tren is up there on the list in terms of liver toxicity. Though tren does not aromatize, it will cause a rise in progestin levels. Proper anti-estrogen/progestin drugs should be used (cabergoline or prami would be best). Tren has a very high binding affinity to the androgen receptor. It also raises igf levels in a way no other compound can (secondarily). One of the most amazing traits of Tren is its ability to increase feed efficiency. The drug allows the body to utilize more of the macro and micro nutrients you ingest, allowing you to eat less and get more out of your nutrition. Tren is well known as a recomp or hardening compound. It has been hailed as the ***8220;devils juice***8221; due to the side effects of insomnia, over-active sweat glands, and changes of temperament (it***8217;s the only steroid to show true changes in temperament). Supplementation of thyroid hormones should be used with tren since it has shown to reduce thyroid function. The acetate ester is one of the shortest esters popularly used in the bodybuilding community. Having a shorter ester than propionate (by about one day) its highly recommended that tren ace be injected daily. The ace ester allows for quick absorption of the compound if side effects occur and the user has to discontinue the drug. Since tren and testosterone fight for the same androgen receptor, its recommended that tren take the higher dosage in a cycle while testosterone takes on more of a maintenance dosage. The proper dosage of Tren ace should be no more than 50mg ed for beginners. Once you get a feel for how much you can tolerate you can slowly raise the dosage of Tren while keeping eyes on any sides that may come of it.

WINSTROL (WINNY, STANOZOLOL)



Winstrol has been used by bodybuilders as a cutting steroid for years. Its known for its strong drying properties, making it ideal for those last few pounds of water weight that would usually be stubborn. It is a 17aa compound. It has been altered to survive the first pass through the liver which also makes it highly liver toxic (like most oral steroids), so the use of the injectable version is recommended. Winny also does a great job of lowering SHBG levels, keeping the body from robbing you of free testosterone. The effective dosage of winny is 50 to 100mg daily but cycles should be kept under 8 weeks due to the high toxicity of the compound.






THE PROPER TEN WEEK CYCLE


The up side of running a cycle with short esters is that you can run it shorter than a long estered cycle. Justifiably, you shouldn***8217;t need to run this cycle more than 10 weeks (though you can go as short as 6 weeks). I will set this cycle up for an every other day injection schedule to make it easier on the user. Remember that this is a beginners cycle for these compounds.


Testosterone Prop 50mg eod week 1-10


Tren Ace 75mg eod week 1-10 (dosage can be raised up to 150mg eod if the body allows without adverse side effects)


Winny 50mg ed week 2-10


Prami for progestin control should start the second week of tren at .25mg once a week (then up to twice a week if necessary) Keep in mind prami can make you feel sick. Its recommended to take it at night before you sleep. Week 2-10


HCG 250iu twice a week week 1-10


T3 25mcg ed week 1-10




PCT


Post cycle therapy should start one week after your final injection and last for 4 weeks


Clomid 100/50/50/50


Nolvadex 40/40/20/
 
bro this is my all time favorite stack though i include igf-1 lr3 , but as far as steroids go and stacking combos, this one is the king of kings, the show maker i call it!

I run this cycle like this:

200mg propionate EOD

50mg tren ace EOD

25mg winstrol ED

50mcgs IGF-1 lr3 daily

changes your body before your very eyes!
 
i need to try igf... i hear great things about it but have never ran it
 
At 40 years old I stay away from compounds like Tren. However I love this low mg/EOD 10 week cycle. At 40 years old and if it was close to summer I might follow this plan just drop the tren and add igf.
 
im a high endurance athlete.. my days of tren use are over

i miss the devils juice here and there im not going to lie
 
im a high endurance athlete.. my days of tren use are over

i miss the devils juice here and there im not going to lie

I hear you. it kills the cardio, but you look so good on it.

This combo above makes me strong as hell. I can be 1,000k under mantanance and still be adding weights. I feel like a MF beast when on tren and winnie.
 
I love me some "divorce in a bottle" aka Devils nectar aka Tren acetate lmao and when i do run it its only at 50mg every other day, which is still majorly effective

as for your never trying igf-1 lr3 3J, thats insane bro! Talk about the fountain of youth, and just all around best product I've ever used, which is the only reason i started selling it 13 years ago, I was dieting for another show, and must have hit a nerve with gear, and my entire outer quad went flaccid, i would flex it as hard as i could and it wouldn't move, i just couldn't get the muscle to fire anymore. I went to the doctors, they said the nerve damage was permanent and that my outer quad would never flex again, almost an entire year went by and atrophy set in really bad and talk about depressing, you have no idea, as i considered my legs my best body part by far, and i had a dead quad.

Anyhow, i read on another forum about a guy with the same exact problem with nerve damage and flaccid muscle , and how he fixed it with long r 3 IGF-1 , so i bought some and put it as close to the injury as possible in my quad, and as GOD as my witness on my kids and everything i hold sacred, my quad started to flex again within the first month of using igf-1 lr3, problem was the atrophy was pretty bad, and when i would flex it, it just didn't look the same as my other quad, but i continued on igf and within the next few months my quad was totally healed, firing/flexing strong as hell and within a year i got it back to the size it was and i never stopped using igf since then! And i had to let others see for themselves and so i decided to sell it, we were the very first board to sell it, and well it saved me big time as this is what i do, my life style, not a phase, and basically how i identify myself ya know, so yeah its pretty amazing stuff man, it has changed my physique permanently , as it has many many other guys.

Many years ago it was extremely popular, everyone loved it, and it was a must in every cycle and with its popularity came knock offs, and chinese garbage being sold as IGF-1 lr3, and because it was so popular everyone and their mother wanted to try it, and a lot of those people started to get garbage chinese shit and it didn't do anything for them, and of course now if you ask someone about igf-1 lr3 they don't think its that great cause so many folks took fakes and reviewed it as not working, and China basically ruined its good name! But there is NOTHING and I mean Nothing else i would rather have in my arsenal for bodybuilding , for me it ranks right below testosterone, if i had to choose between always just taking one thing, it would be testosterone, then IGF-1 lr3. Both of those long term can change you into an entirely new human being.


Anyhow, thats how i found out about it and why i use it and sell it!
 
thats nuts.. i didn't know it had that type of properties!!

it does, and we have a bunch of studies posted here on its regenerative abilities for many things from tendons by way of collagen synthesis, to even nerve and muscle. Theirs an entire field dedicated to it, and many articles on it can be found through the igf-1 society , Growth hormone and IGF research center, biochem society, and a couple other not well know groups and publications. Its probably the one product I'm most well versed on lol,
 
thats nuts.. i didn't know it had that type of properties!!


I used IGF with my second and third rotator cuff surgery and bicep relocation and it made an incredible difference (of course it was MC's IGF). It helped tremendously with the pain, believe it or not. I believe it to be from the blood flow increase. That is one of the major/key factors in healing (blood flow). My doctor was so amazed of how fast I healed he did some extensive research on it. I am a firm believer in MC's IGF! My wife was so amazed by it, she too did some research and started using it.
 
Since GW50 has endurance enhancing properties, could it be a good counter to the endurance robbing properties of tren?

Great write up, btw!!
 
Since GW50 has endurance enhancing properties, could it be a good counter to the endurance robbing properties of tren?

Great write up, btw!!

I am in for the responce on this. I can handle the all the sides of tren, but the loss of endurance is the one I hate the most.
 
I used IGF with my second and third rotator cuff surgery and bicep relocation and it made an incredible difference (of course it was MC's IGF). It helped tremendously with the pain, believe it or not. I believe it to be from the blood flow increase. That is one of the major/key factors in healing (blood flow). My doctor was so amazed of how fast I healed he did some extensive research on it. I am a firm believer in MC's IGF! My wife was so amazed by it, she too did some research and started using it.

yeah i remember when you were going through all that.

as for gw50 counteracting the trenbolone endurance problem, I'm curious as well now, or maybe the tren will counteract the gw50 lol chicken or the egg lol
 
Managing Side-effects
Interestingly, there is a lot of information about the negative side-effects of trenbolone, but there is little information about combating those sides. Let’s address the first, and most prominent, side effect: “tren cough” and cardio problem. This is by far the biggest complaint with tren use, which can be mitigated by addingcardarine (gw-501516) and ostarine (mk-2866) to your tren cycle.

The second problem with tren is the possibility of prolacin side effects, which are the cause of possible “impotence” and problems in the bedroom, as well as gynecomastia (bitch tits). This can easily be overcome by the use of two products: a) Cabergoline (Dostinex), which is an anti-prolactin drug and b) HCGenerate, which helps you keep libido going during a cycle.The third problem, and one of the deadliest, is the issue with your liver and kidneys while using trenbolone. This is one of the most serious issues, and it’s never addressed properly by most steroid users. To fix this, you need to add N2Guard to your cycle. It will help protect your liver, kidneys and organs from the harsh tren sides.
 
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Managing Side-effects
Interestingly, there is a lot of information about the negative side-effects of trenbolone, but there is little information about combating those sides. Let’s address the first, and most prominent, side effect: “tren cough” and cardio problem. This is by far the biggest complaint with tren use, which can be mitigated by addingcardarine (gw-501516) and ostarine (mk-2866) to your tren cycle.

The second problem with tren is the possibility of prolacin side effects, which are the cause of possible “impotence” and problems in the bedroom, as well as gynecomastia (bitch tits). This can easily be overcome by the use of two products: a) Cabergoline (Dostinex), which is an anti-prolactin drug and b) HCGenerate, which helps you keep libido going during a cycle.The third problem, and one of the deadliest, is the issue with your liver and kidneys while using trenbolone. This is one of the most serious issues, and it’s never addressed properly by most steroid users. To fix this, you need to add N2Guard to your cycle. It will help protect your liver, kidneys and organs from the harsh tren sides.

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please when copy and pasting info here, remember to highlight the entire article of text, then click the red x mark above which will kill all the hidden links the info. You have no less than 8 words in that little paragraph linking back to evolutionary website, so please highlight all text, click red x then submit thread.

otherwise we are sending them free advertising, and they of all people don't need it

Damn brother...... i'm very sorry! I try to be real careful about that, but I guess I let that one slip by.
 
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