What the hell are you talking about? you told me you were going natural for a while, lol. make sure you have it balanced if not exceeded mg for mg with test, helps combat the sides. TAlk about an emotinal rollercoaster try tren with no test. I cried watching Mr Deeds.....the comedy, lol that one was hard to explain. Anyway, goes well in any cycle cuttor or mass. Ran a good cutter last year of test (cyp + prop) eq tren and winny. Rock hard and veiny as all hell. Worked well in a bulker with dbol ethanate tren and eq. All depends on what your trying to do. I'd use 50-75 ED to start with. Make it form the powder if you can, its noticable better its good to end a cycle with too, like a bulker help solidify gains and will lean you out a little too. Now the bad side. Volcanoes on my back, easily aggitated, and weird fucking dreams (when you actually sleep long enough), not to mention sweat soaked sheets every now and then. But all in all its worht it, hell its my favorite compound, haven't done a cycle in almost 3 yrs without it.