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Trest (Ment)

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Found this and copied it for u guys. I thought it was good article.

There's a new (old) anabolic steroid that's been making its rounds in the bodybuilding scene recently. People are reporting gains of up to 20lbs in as little as 6 weeks.

Bodybuilders in their crude chemistry language calling it a mix of ?tren and test,? arguably two*of the most effective and fan favorite steroids ever used.

So, what is this remarkable compound? It goes by the name of MENT or trestolone and has been made widely available thanks to research chemical suppliers. This article will discuss the history, chemistry, and application of trestolone and why it's slowly gaining notoriety and popularity.

MENT (7alpha-methyl-19-nortestostrone), or trestolone was one of several 19-nortestosterone derivatives to be investigated as a possible male contraceptive therapy due to its unique chemical properties. Initially, drug companies were combining progesterone with testosterone in order to produce a viable male contraceptive option due to progesterone?s ability to suppress spermatogenesis.

While testosterone can decrease sperm production, the dose for a test-only birth control would be too high to avoid unwanted side effects.

Testosterone can also convert to DHT via 5alpha-reductase, it can have deleterious effects on the prostate, as well as increase male pattern balding.*[1]*Since MENT was incapable of binding to 5alpha-reductase and thus cannot convert to DHT, it made it a perfect candidate for an androgen male contraceptive.

The reason for this lies in the unique alpha methyl group on carbon 7 of the molecule. This methyl group sticks out below the steroidal ring structure and sterically inhibits conversion to DHT. However, MENT still can undergo aromatization and undergo other androgen-dependent functions, making it effectively act like*testosterone*in the body despite being a 19-nortestosterone derivative.

Another unique property of MENT?s 7alpha-methyl group is it also can inhibit binging of MENT to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), a protein that binds with androgens (and estrogen) so that they can no longer bind to the androgen receptor. If you have ever gotten your testosterone levels check, you will see 2 values: total and free testosterone.

Free testosterone is the amount of testosterone that is NOT bound to SHBG and is ?free? to bind to the androgen receptor and elicit its effects. By MENT not being able to bind to SHBG,*it is essentially free to only bind to the androgen receptor and yield the benefits of exogenous androgen use. This makes MENT a very attractive option when looking to not only add quality muscle, but also keep your sex drive high and not make any unwanted babies.

What does the research say about MENT? Well, it's actually quite impressive. In a 1992 study in rats investigating the pharmacology of MENT, researchers found the anabolic potency of
MENT to be 10X greater than that of testosterone, while also being 12X more suppressive on HTPA.

This means that if your average male produces 4-7mg of testosterone daily to keep muscle mass and sexual function, only 400-700mcg of MENT is needed to produce the same results.

In this same study, MENT acetate was used to determine the rate of hydrolysis of the acetate ester and how quickly elevated MENT plasma levels were reached. The half-life is also VERY short, calculated to be only 40 min for the unesterified compound (not the acetate, which should extend the half-life slightly).*[5]

A very comprehensive human study was conducted on male subjects that compared the effects of MENT to testosterone, both accompanied with the progestin*etonogestrel, on spermatogenesis, as well as sex drive and safety biomarkers associated with androgen use. This was a robust study, containing 29 subjects tested for 48 weeks.

Participants either received two*implant pellets each containing 135mg of MENT acetate calculated to release 400mcg daily, or 3 600mg testosterone pellets, with one*given every 12 weeks (both groups received 68mg of etonogestrel). Both groups caused significant reduction in sperm production, with 80% of both groups going from an average of 55 x 106/mL to just 1 x 106/mL after 12 weeks of supplementation.

Recovery period was 16 weeks for the MENT group which increased to over 20 x 106/mL, whereas the testosterone group still had azoospermia until after 28 weeks.

As far as safety data, LH and FSH levels were profoundly suppressed in both groups, with FSH dropping 91% and LH dropping 90% in the MENT group. HDL levels dropped 14%, and total triglycerides increased by 13% in the MENT group after 4 weeks.

There was also a significant rise in systolic blood pressure in the MENT group, but returned to normal post therapy.*There were no significant increases in hematocrit or hemoglobin in the MENT group, which is often associated with elevated androgenic levels.

This study clearly shows that MENT is a safer and more effective form of male contraception compared to testosterone. The takeaway from this study would be that MENT seems to be fairly safe on lipids and other biomakrers, but definitely needs a PCT to restore LH and FSH levels to normal.*[6]

One of the main side effects from MENT is aromatization. MENT converts into the very potent estrogen 7a-methyl estradiol.


Since MENT and this estrogen both contain the 7alpha methyl group which does not bind to SHBG, it is safe to assume that this estrogen will be active and readily bind to the estrogen receptor, causing water retention and gynecomastia. It is strongly recommended that an aromatase inhibitor like arimdex or letrozole be used when taking MENT.


On paper, MENT looks like an amazing synthetic androgen that is highly anabolic, slightly androgenic while still able to maintain an elevated sex drive despite being a 19-nortestosterone derivative. I don't think it is ?10X more hypertrophic than testosterone,? but it is very anabolic and I have noticed great gains while following a ketogenic diet.

After four weeks*of MENT acetate, taking 50mg EOD, you can expect to see a very elevated sex drive, This is typically unusual for many*taking 19-nortestosterone compounds, suggesting that MENT does not bind to SHBG.

Appetite should be*extremely elevated, and you should see a slight increase in gym*strength. 1.25mg of letrozole EOD will*combat the conversion to 7a-methyl estradiol, so bloating is minimal.

This appears to be a decent*compound for*people looking to add good size, while easily combating side effects, as it is safer on your lipids than most other compounds, especially orals.

A PCT will be absolutely mandatory (unless you are on TRT), as this compound was made to heavily suppress LH/FSH. As far as stacking goes, I would pretty much say you can stack this with anything, depending on your goals. I would start at 50mg EOD, with some people going up to 100mg EOD.






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Found this and copied it for u guys. I thought it was good article.

There's a new (old) anabolic steroid that's been making its rounds in the bodybuilding scene recently. People are reporting gains of up to 20lbs in as little as 6 weeks.

Bodybuilders in their crude chemistry language calling it a mix of ?tren and test,? arguably two*of the most effective and fan favorite steroids ever used.

So, what is this remarkable compound? It goes by the name of MENT or trestolone and has been made widely available thanks to research chemical suppliers. This article will discuss the history, chemistry, and application of trestolone and why it's slowly gaining notoriety and popularity.

MENT (7alpha-methyl-19-nortestostrone), or trestolone was one of several 19-nortestosterone derivatives to be investigated as a possible male contraceptive therapy due to its unique chemical properties. Initially, drug companies were combining progesterone with testosterone in order to produce a viable male contraceptive option due to progesterone?s ability to suppress spermatogenesis.

While testosterone can decrease sperm production, the dose for a test-only birth control would be too high to avoid unwanted side effects.

Testosterone can also convert to DHT via 5alpha-reductase, it can have deleterious effects on the prostate, as well as increase male pattern balding.*[1]*Since MENT was incapable of binding to 5alpha-reductase and thus cannot convert to DHT, it made it a perfect candidate for an androgen male contraceptive.

The reason for this lies in the unique alpha methyl group on carbon 7 of the molecule. This methyl group sticks out below the steroidal ring structure and sterically inhibits conversion to DHT. However, MENT still can undergo aromatization and undergo other androgen-dependent functions, making it effectively act like*testosterone*in the body despite being a 19-nortestosterone derivative.

Another unique property of MENT?s 7alpha-methyl group is it also can inhibit binging of MENT to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), a protein that binds with androgens (and estrogen) so that they can no longer bind to the androgen receptor. If you have ever gotten your testosterone levels check, you will see 2 values: total and free testosterone.

Free testosterone is the amount of testosterone that is NOT bound to SHBG and is ?free? to bind to the androgen receptor and elicit its effects. By MENT not being able to bind to SHBG,*it is essentially free to only bind to the androgen receptor and yield the benefits of exogenous androgen use. This makes MENT a very attractive option when looking to not only add quality muscle, but also keep your sex drive high and not make any unwanted babies.

What does the research say about MENT? Well, it's actually quite impressive. In a 1992 study in rats investigating the pharmacology of MENT, researchers found the anabolic potency of
MENT to be 10X greater than that of testosterone, while also being 12X more suppressive on HTPA.

This means that if your average male produces 4-7mg of testosterone daily to keep muscle mass and sexual function, only 400-700mcg of MENT is needed to produce the same results.

In this same study, MENT acetate was used to determine the rate of hydrolysis of the acetate ester and how quickly elevated MENT plasma levels were reached. The half-life is also VERY short, calculated to be only 40 min for the unesterified compound (not the acetate, which should extend the half-life slightly).*[5]

A very comprehensive human study was conducted on male subjects that compared the effects of MENT to testosterone, both accompanied with the progestin*etonogestrel, on spermatogenesis, as well as sex drive and safety biomarkers associated with androgen use. This was a robust study, containing 29 subjects tested for 48 weeks.

Participants either received two*implant pellets each containing 135mg of MENT acetate calculated to release 400mcg daily, or 3 600mg testosterone pellets, with one*given every 12 weeks (both groups received 68mg of etonogestrel). Both groups caused significant reduction in sperm production, with 80% of both groups going from an average of 55 x 106/mL to just 1 x 106/mL after 12 weeks of supplementation.

Recovery period was 16 weeks for the MENT group which increased to over 20 x 106/mL, whereas the testosterone group still had azoospermia until after 28 weeks.

As far as safety data, LH and FSH levels were profoundly suppressed in both groups, with FSH dropping 91% and LH dropping 90% in the MENT group. HDL levels dropped 14%, and total triglycerides increased by 13% in the MENT group after 4 weeks.

There was also a significant rise in systolic blood pressure in the MENT group, but returned to normal post therapy.*There were no significant increases in hematocrit or hemoglobin in the MENT group, which is often associated with elevated androgenic levels.

This study clearly shows that MENT is a safer and more effective form of male contraception compared to testosterone. The takeaway from this study would be that MENT seems to be fairly safe on lipids and other biomakrers, but definitely needs a PCT to restore LH and FSH levels to normal.*[6]

One of the main side effects from MENT is aromatization. MENT converts into the very potent estrogen 7a-methyl estradiol.


Since MENT and this estrogen both contain the 7alpha methyl group which does not bind to SHBG, it is safe to assume that this estrogen will be active and readily bind to the estrogen receptor, causing water retention and gynecomastia. It is strongly recommended that an aromatase inhibitor like arimdex or letrozole be used when taking MENT.


On paper, MENT looks like an amazing synthetic androgen that is highly anabolic, slightly androgenic while still able to maintain an elevated sex drive despite being a 19-nortestosterone derivative. I don't think it is ?10X more hypertrophic than testosterone,? but it is very anabolic and I have noticed great gains while following a ketogenic diet.

After four weeks*of MENT acetate, taking 50mg EOD, you can expect to see a very elevated sex drive, This is typically unusual for many*taking 19-nortestosterone compounds, suggesting that MENT does not bind to SHBG.

Appetite should be*extremely elevated, and you should see a slight increase in gym*strength. 1.25mg of letrozole EOD will*combat the conversion to 7a-methyl estradiol, so bloating is minimal.

This appears to be a decent*compound for*people looking to add good size, while easily combating side effects, as it is safer on your lipids than most other compounds, especially orals.

A PCT will be absolutely mandatory (unless you are on TRT), as this compound was made to heavily suppress LH/FSH. As far as stacking goes, I would pretty much say you can stack this with anything, depending on your goals. I would start at 50mg EOD, with some people going up to 100mg EOD.






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I've been reading about this stuff for awhile. I definitely have to try it. It's still legal in US, for now, just do a search you can buy it from a US distributer in acetate 50mgs and deconate 100mgs esters. I've also seen it sold in enanthate form. Pretty sure the claim is 10X more anabolic than test and I've read gains better than tren. I don't know, never used it, what I read. It also is supposed to aromotize at a rate far higher than test so get some arimidex.
 
Found this and copied it for u guys. I thought it was good article.

There's a new (old) anabolic steroid that's been making its rounds in the bodybuilding scene recently. People are reporting gains of up to 20lbs in as little as 6 weeks.

Bodybuilders in their crude chemistry language calling it a mix of ?tren and test,? arguably two*of the most effective and fan favorite steroids ever used.

So, what is this remarkable compound? It goes by the name of MENT or trestolone and has been made widely available thanks to research chemical suppliers. This article will discuss the history, chemistry, and application of trestolone and why it's slowly gaining notoriety and popularity.

MENT (7alpha-methyl-19-nortestostrone), or trestolone was one of several 19-nortestosterone derivatives to be investigated as a possible male contraceptive therapy due to its unique chemical properties. Initially, drug companies were combining progesterone with testosterone in order to produce a viable male contraceptive option due to progesterone?s ability to suppress spermatogenesis.

While testosterone can decrease sperm production, the dose for a test-only birth control would be too high to avoid unwanted side effects.

Testosterone can also convert to DHT via 5alpha-reductase, it can have deleterious effects on the prostate, as well as increase male pattern balding.*[1]*Since MENT was incapable of binding to 5alpha-reductase and thus cannot convert to DHT, it made it a perfect candidate for an androgen male contraceptive.

The reason for this lies in the unique alpha methyl group on carbon 7 of the molecule. This methyl group sticks out below the steroidal ring structure and sterically inhibits conversion to DHT. However, MENT still can undergo aromatization and undergo other androgen-dependent functions, making it effectively act like*testosterone*in the body despite being a 19-nortestosterone derivative.

Another unique property of MENT?s 7alpha-methyl group is it also can inhibit binging of MENT to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), a protein that binds with androgens (and estrogen) so that they can no longer bind to the androgen receptor. If you have ever gotten your testosterone levels check, you will see 2 values: total and free testosterone.

Free testosterone is the amount of testosterone that is NOT bound to SHBG and is ?free? to bind to the androgen receptor and elicit its effects. By MENT not being able to bind to SHBG,*it is essentially free to only bind to the androgen receptor and yield the benefits of exogenous androgen use. This makes MENT a very attractive option when looking to not only add quality muscle, but also keep your sex drive high and not make any unwanted babies.

What does the research say about MENT? Well, it's actually quite impressive. In a 1992 study in rats investigating the pharmacology of MENT, researchers found the anabolic potency of
MENT to be 10X greater than that of testosterone, while also being 12X more suppressive on HTPA.

This means that if your average male produces 4-7mg of testosterone daily to keep muscle mass and sexual function, only 400-700mcg of MENT is needed to produce the same results.

In this same study, MENT acetate was used to determine the rate of hydrolysis of the acetate ester and how quickly elevated MENT plasma levels were reached. The half-life is also VERY short, calculated to be only 40 min for the unesterified compound (not the acetate, which should extend the half-life slightly).*[5]

A very comprehensive human study was conducted on male subjects that compared the effects of MENT to testosterone, both accompanied with the progestin*etonogestrel, on spermatogenesis, as well as sex drive and safety biomarkers associated with androgen use. This was a robust study, containing 29 subjects tested for 48 weeks.

Participants either received two*implant pellets each containing 135mg of MENT acetate calculated to release 400mcg daily, or 3 600mg testosterone pellets, with one*given every 12 weeks (both groups received 68mg of etonogestrel). Both groups caused significant reduction in sperm production, with 80% of both groups going from an average of 55 x 106/mL to just 1 x 106/mL after 12 weeks of supplementation.

Recovery period was 16 weeks for the MENT group which increased to over 20 x 106/mL, whereas the testosterone group still had azoospermia until after 28 weeks.

As far as safety data, LH and FSH levels were profoundly suppressed in both groups, with FSH dropping 91% and LH dropping 90% in the MENT group. HDL levels dropped 14%, and total triglycerides increased by 13% in the MENT group after 4 weeks.

There was also a significant rise in systolic blood pressure in the MENT group, but returned to normal post therapy.*There were no significant increases in hematocrit or hemoglobin in the MENT group, which is often associated with elevated androgenic levels.

This study clearly shows that MENT is a safer and more effective form of male contraception compared to testosterone. The takeaway from this study would be that MENT seems to be fairly safe on lipids and other biomakrers, but definitely needs a PCT to restore LH and FSH levels to normal.*[6]

One of the main side effects from MENT is aromatization. MENT converts into the very potent estrogen 7a-methyl estradiol.


Since MENT and this estrogen both contain the 7alpha methyl group which does not bind to SHBG, it is safe to assume that this estrogen will be active and readily bind to the estrogen receptor, causing water retention and gynecomastia. It is strongly recommended that an aromatase inhibitor like arimdex or letrozole be used when taking MENT.


On paper, MENT looks like an amazing synthetic androgen that is highly anabolic, slightly androgenic while still able to maintain an elevated sex drive despite being a 19-nortestosterone derivative. I don't think it is ?10X more hypertrophic than testosterone,? but it is very anabolic and I have noticed great gains while following a ketogenic diet.

After four weeks*of MENT acetate, taking 50mg EOD, you can expect to see a very elevated sex drive, This is typically unusual for many*taking 19-nortestosterone compounds, suggesting that MENT does not bind to SHBG.

Appetite should be*extremely elevated, and you should see a slight increase in gym*strength. 1.25mg of letrozole EOD will*combat the conversion to 7a-methyl estradiol, so bloating is minimal.

This appears to be a decent*compound for*people looking to add good size, while easily combating side effects, as it is safer on your lipids than most other compounds, especially orals.

A PCT will be absolutely mandatory (unless you are on TRT), as this compound was made to heavily suppress LH/FSH. As far as stacking goes, I would pretty much say you can stack this with anything, depending on your goals. I would start at 50mg EOD, with some people going up to 100mg EOD.






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I'd love to hear from someone who has actually used it. On paper it looks like an unbelievable drug. All of it stays free to bind to receptors. That means you would need a far less dose of this than test to achieve same results. 10 X as anabolic as test. Kind of hard to believe. So 200 MG a week of trestolone would be as anabolic as 2,000 mgs of test? That is a very high dose of letro they suggest also, stuff must aromotize like crazy. I can't believe anything written on paper until I use it or someone I trust does. I have to give this stuff a try. I've also read that you do not need to include any test in your cycle when using trestolone. 50 MG eod that's avg 175mgs per week. Very low dose but if it's 10x as anabolic as test makes sense. Maybe trestolone 50 mgs eod tren ace 50 mgs eod and 1 anadrol a day with letro. If the trest is what it claims that cycle would be insane.
 
I'd love to hear from someone who has actually used it. On paper it looks like an unbelievable drug. All of it stays free to bind to receptors. That means you would need a far less dose of this than test to achieve same results. 10 X as anabolic as test. Kind of hard to believe. So 200 MG a week of trestolone would be as anabolic as 2,000 mgs of test? That is a very high dose of letro they suggest also, stuff must aromotize like crazy. I can't believe anything written on paper until I use it or someone I trust does. I have to give this stuff a try. I've also read that you do not need to include any test in your cycle when using trestolone. 50 MG eod that's avg 175mgs per week. Very low dose but if it's 10x as anabolic as test makes sense. Maybe trestolone 50 mgs eod tren ace 50 mgs eod and 1 anadrol a day with letro. If the trest is what it claims that cycle would be insane.
I use it, Ment!! It's expensive to use high, but I add it in like 12.5mg a day or 25mg a day.
Sex drive increase big just at that and i can keep total test dose lower and my red blood doesn't get into trouble.
25mg a day and I start bulking though but not as much if test lower...

Last year I started a gig and was out gym prolly 12 weeks..
I started with test prop 100 ed, tren ace 100 ed, hgh 5iu. Around 5 weeks big changed but Dick died!! Gig extended... so had to switch to long ester. Started test cyp, prop total test 750wk, deca 600wk, trest ace 25mg a day and abombs 50mg ed, cabar 0.5mg 2x wk, t3/t4
In 24 hours my dick worked and never had so high sex drive in life and felt great!! After 8 weeks of that I cut for 8 weeks...

I use trest ace 12.5mg ed alot even with 35mg prop ed and another roid and am good. It really does a number.

Mg to mg it's that much stronger cause it doesn't bind it's all free except what converts... test is bound like 90%

On that 8 week lean bulk with 25mg and less trest ace I used aromasin at 25mg eod but knocked estro down with 1.25mg letro 3x week one at gate. Then I had no issues with rest of stuff....

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Thanks for the info. So, you really feel it's 10X more anabolic than test. I suppose if your getting results with 12.5 mgs a day it must be.
Seems the conversion to estrogen is crazy with treat. 1.25 mgs of letro 3X a week is alot. I'm going to give it a try at 25 a day then with a few other compounds. I usually don't use an ai and use noveldex but seems ill need letro with this. Thanks again I was going to use 50 a day as was recommended.
I use it, Ment!! It's expensive to use high, but I add it in like 12.5mg a day or 25mg a day.
Sex drive increase big just at that and i can keep total test dose lower and my red blood doesn't get into trouble.
25mg a day and I start bulking though but not as much if test lower...

Last year I started a gig and was out gym prolly 12 weeks..
I started with test prop 100 ed, tren ace 100 ed, hgh 5iu. Around 5 weeks big changed but Dick died!! Gig extended... so had to switch to long ester. Started test cyp, prop total test 750wk, deca 600wk, trest ace 25mg a day and abombs 50mg ed, cabar 0.5mg 2x wk, t3/t4
In 24 hours my dick worked and never had so high sex drive in life and felt great!! After 8 weeks of that I cut for 8 weeks...

I use trest ace 12.5mg ed alot even with 35mg prop ed and another roid and am good. It really does a number.

Mg to mg it's that much stronger cause it doesn't bind it's all free except what converts... test is bound like 90%

On that 8 week lean bulk with 25mg and less trest ace I used aromasin at 25mg eod but knocked estro down with 1.25mg letro 3x week one at gate. Then I had no issues with rest of stuff....

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Thanks for the info. So, you really feel it's 10X more anabolic than test. I suppose if your getting results with 12.5 mgs a day it must be.
Seems the conversion to estrogen is crazy with treat. 1.25 mgs of letro 3X a week is alot. I'm going to give it a try at 25 a day then with a few other compounds. I usually don't use an ai and use noveldex but seems ill need letro with this. Thanks again I was going to use 50 a day as was recommended.

Estro controlled good with adex at 0.5mg 3xwk to eod depending on what else in mix.
The letro I used that way to kill it estro because I hopped on deca and test long ester and was having deca dick from tren before starting deca... lol!! Dick worked right away. The letro was only first 10 days
I used aromasin with it at 25mg eod wasn't Pharma but high quality. I think my test was 700-900wk total with deca 600 I also used high mast and Anadrol 50. Ran all for 8 weeks and started cut. I also ran t3 at 20-45mcg and t4 at 100mcg and hgh generic at 5iu a day cabar 0.5mg2x wk

But trest ace I love it. For me 25mg a day is good!! But alot of guys like it at 50mg and get more bulk. Even know some who used 100mg a day!

What ever u choose know that u can replace test with it. I will try it again at 50mg but with TRT dose test.

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Thanks for the info. So, you really feel it's 10X more anabolic than test. I suppose if your getting results with 12.5 mgs a day it must be.
Seems the conversion to estrogen is crazy with treat. 1.25 mgs of letro 3X a week is alot. I'm going to give it a try at 25 a day then with a few other compounds. I usually don't use an ai and use noveldex but seems ill need letro with this. Thanks again I was going to use 50 a day as was recommended.
The short answer... some guys can't use it they get alot of water and bloat.
Others don't.
10x anabolic than test???? I think 50mg a day or 350mg wk is as strong as 1500mg wk of test for sure!!!

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been using trest e @ 100mg twice a week and lowered my test e. i'm not sure what it does to my sex drive, but i think in my case it worsen it, i go limp part way through. that may be the difference esters, too. i use clo 25mg/day, adex 0.5mg twice a week, and prami 0.5-1mg twice a week. seems to work okay with the deca, tren e, npp and prop.

i read an article on trest ace that it was invented to treat prostate cancer also. don't know the effectiveness of it, but it is worth noting, especially at my age.
Description
MENT, a.k.a. methylnortestosterone acetate and as trestolone acetate (the chemical name of active ingredient in MENT), is an oral derivative of the anabolic steroid nandrolone.
MENT was initially developed for androgen replacement, however it encompasses a vast number of treatment applications including testicular failure, contraception therapies, bone mass loss, BPH, prostate cancer, cachexia and muscle wasting, primary hypogonadism, ASIH, baldness, and sarcopenia.
 
been using trest e @ 100mg twice a week and lowered my test e. i'm not sure what it does to my sex drive, but i think in my case it worsen it, i go limp part way through. that may be the difference esters, too. i use clo 25mg/day, adex 0.5mg twice a week, and prami 0.5-1mg twice a week. seems to work okay with the deca, tren e, npp and prop.

i read an article on trest ace that it was invented to treat prostate cancer also. don't know the effectiveness of it, but it is worth noting, especially at my age.
Description
MENT, a.k.a. methylnortestosterone acetate and as trestolone acetate (the chemical name of active ingredient in MENT), is an oral derivative of the anabolic steroid nandrolone.
MENT was initially developed for androgen replacement, however it encompasses a vast number of treatment applications including testicular failure, contraception therapies, bone mass loss, BPH, prostate cancer, cachexia and muscle wasting, primary hypogonadism, ASIH, baldness, and sarcopenia.

Your estro high!!
 
been using trest e @ 100mg twice a week and lowered my test e. i'm not sure what it does to my sex drive, but i think in my case it worsen it, i go limp part way through. that may be the difference esters, too. i use clo 25mg/day, adex 0.5mg twice a week, and prami 0.5-1mg twice a week. seems to work okay with the deca, tren e, npp and prop.

i read an article on trest ace that it was invented to treat prostate cancer also. don't know the effectiveness of it, but it is worth noting, especially at my age.
Description
MENT, a.k.a. methylnortestosterone acetate and as trestolone acetate (the chemical name of active ingredient in MENT), is an oral derivative of the anabolic steroid nandrolone.
MENT was initially developed for androgen replacement, however it encompasses a vast number of treatment applications including testicular failure, contraception therapies, bone mass loss, BPH, prostate cancer, cachexia and muscle wasting, primary hypogonadism, ASIH, baldness, and sarcopenia.

Try to lower trest e to 50mg to 60mg 2x wk and go from there.
Don't know where test is at but your estro is high atm going limp.
Just lower tresr and keep ai same.
At 12.5 mg trest ace and anything amount if test sex drive unreal. Prolactin may and prolly not be high.

How long u been on trest e? 200mg wk a good dose of it but it Gotta build up as well. If test was lowered trest e prolly not up just yet!!

Trest e and d much cheaper than ace if u noticed and it's cause the ace doesnt aromatase as much.
I will try trest e after bloods. Used before at 50mg 2x wk with trest ace till kicked in but stopped at 6 weeks and sex drive stayed a while!! ACE ester best to use and control.

With deca test at 600 each trest at 25mg with aromasin 25mg eod and cabar 0.5mg 2x wk I have never had sex so much in my life...

She is on 12.5 mg anavar right now and killing me, so i added 12.5mg trest a day with my TRT 100mg wk and prop 35mg eod atm with primo 300wk and DHB 525wk Nolva 20mg eod adex at 0.5mg 2x wk cabar 0.5mg hgh 3.3iu a day MT2 250mcg a day sex drive high.

I measure ED like this.... if it's lack of sensitivity gets hard and then solf and numb estro high.
If i just can't cum but hard and go solf from losing interest knowing I won't cum my estro low. Now this is me.... I only use Cabar cause of hgh unless on deca or tren. Trest don't need it
 
Trest ace never fails me for libido, it fixes died dick in 24 hours with cabar for me on anything

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Trest ace never fails me for libido, it fixes died dick in 24 hours with cabar for me on anything

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i found the trest ace to be quite a bit more, but i'm going to have to give it a try. when i get the funds that is, lol.
after reading your statements above, i've had low estro as well. wore the wife out and not cum. that sucked. the test i'm using right now was supposedly low dose, but i may have been fortunate enough to get the ones that were dosed properly, before the sponsor pulled a fast one. i'll lower it some more and bring the trest down, too. been doing trest about 5 weeks now.
i also notice, and it's probably due to my age, that if i drink it screws me up in the bedroom.
 
i found the trest ace to be quite a bit more, but i'm going to have to give it a try. when i get the funds that is, lol.
after reading your statements above, i've had low estro as well. wore the wife out and not cum. that sucked. the test i'm using right now was supposedly low dose, but i may have been fortunate enough to get the ones that were dosed properly, before the sponsor pulled a fast one. i'll lower it some more and bring the trest down, too. been doing trest about 5 weeks now.
i also notice, and it's probably due to my age, that if i drink it screws me up in the bedroom.
My age everything changed, with stacking, bulking, sex ED issues alot of it is build up of binding protiens that mess with active test... And it's confusing due to estro being only problem in early days...
I use nolva and less AI and have best luck!!

When I feel like I am doing a piece of meat with no sensation, loss of interest then ed... estro always low, test base confirms fast or trest ace..
Trest ace superior over other trest esters. It's so easy to find tune and doesn't take that much.

Alot of places have it at 50mg per ml 75 bucks vial on searches

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i kind of guessed the trest ace was superior. the study i read about it used ace. i can get powder cheaper i think and just make my own. i really like making my own gear and enjoy it. the trest e was liquid gold color. the ace would have cost me twice as much at least. one sponsor has it for $56 a gram. still pretty steep, but may well be worth it. it's good that it doesn't take much.

i tell you muscle mechanic, at 50 or maybe a little younger, before i ever started my own trt, i started having ed issues. at 58, i decided to do something about it. now at 60, i'm still working it out, but i'm much better now, lol. it is always helpful that you lend your knowledge and it's appreciated.

i'm using clo right now, i like it better than nolva. still seem to need the adex 0.5 eow. i had estro issues to some extent before i ever started any gear, so correcting that has been a challenge. may have had some lactate problems, too lol. my wife still likes what she sees, so i'm okay with it, mostly, lol.
 
i kind of guessed the trest ace was superior. the study i read about it used ace. i can get powder cheaper i think and just make my own. i really like making my own gear and enjoy it. the trest e was liquid gold color. the ace would have cost me twice as much at least. one sponsor has it for $56 a gram. still pretty steep, but may well be worth it. it's good that it doesn't take much.

i tell you muscle mechanic, at 50 or maybe a little younger, before i ever started my own trt, i started having ed issues. at 58, i decided to do something about it. now at 60, i'm still working it out, but i'm much better now, lol. it is always helpful that you lend your knowledge and it's appreciated.

i'm using clo right now, i like it better than nolva. still seem to need the adex 0.5 eow. i had estro issues to some extent before i ever started any gear, so correcting that has been a challenge. may have had some lactate problems, too lol. my wife still likes what she sees, so i'm okay with it, mostly, lol.
On searches I see trest ace at 450-500 @10 grams.
Trest decanoate 200 @ 10 grams
Trest e from 350-450 @ 10 grams
I have no clue about anything but that looks like going rate...
But metabolism of esters plays big role on my body and normal rythums for sure. Shorter esters I get less sides estro and bloat.
Longer esters I still use test prop added because it behaves different in many ways.
Prop doesn't mess with my hemo at 700wk but test e and c do...
In my opinion from experience prop, ace, phenylprop superior but not as much with deca. NPP I haven't found reason I prefer over deca, for me..

I will try trest e again but trest ace at low 12.5-25mg does truck for libido. But I admit I am a masterone freak plus proviron and love test prop and test ace. Like them so much more I don't mind Dailey pin!! I also use Cabar or anti-p but I use hgh generics 3.3-5iu a day!!!

But speaking of sex drive test prop 50mg, tren ace 65-75mg, mast 100mg, Proviron 50mg nolva 20mg even 2x wk and adex at 0.5mg 2x wk plus the cabar 0.5mg 2x wk
I am ready and able but once I drop tren it gets rough a while...

Wanna try test 300wk tren hex or e 400-500wk. Or even less tren... But hgh has done so much for me I don't wanna go without it, ever... hgh helps my gear work so much more I need less gear and sides less, but hgh sides a battle to get past. It's harder than alot of things but after adjusted size doesnt seem to fall and leaning is like cheating completely!!!! To get fat impossible but too much hgh and no cabar with 19nor especially tren the 2 make prolactin kill my dick.

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On searches I see trest ace at 450-500 @10 grams.
Trest decanoate 200 @ 10 grams
Trest e from 350-450 @ 10 grams
I have no clue about anything but that looks like going rate...
But metabolism of esters plays big role on my body and normal rythums for sure. Shorter esters I get less sides estro and bloat.
Longer esters I still use test prop added because it behaves different in many ways.
Prop doesn't mess with my hemo at 700wk but test e and c do...
In my opinion from experience prop, ace, phenylprop superior but not as much with deca. NPP I haven't found reason I prefer over deca, for me..

I will try trest e again but trest ace at low 12.5-25mg does truck for libido. But I admit I am a masterone freak plus proviron and love test prop and test ace. Like them so much more I don't mind Dailey pin!! I also use Cabar or anti-p but I use hgh generics 3.3-5iu a day!!!

But speaking of sex drive test prop 50mg, tren ace 65-75mg, mast 100mg, Proviron 50mg nolva 20mg even 2x wk and adex at 0.5mg 2x wk plus the cabar 0.5mg 2x wk
I am ready and able but once I drop tren it gets rough a while...

Wanna try test 300wk tren hex or e 400-500wk. Or even less tren... But hgh has done so much for me I don't wanna go without it, ever... hgh helps my gear work so much more I need less gear and sides less, but hgh sides a battle to get past. It's harder than alot of things but after adjusted size doesnt seem to fall and leaning is like cheating completely!!!! To get fat impossible but too much hgh and no cabar with 19nor especially tren the 2 make prolactin kill my dick.

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i just finished the tren e i had. i was concerned about it at first, even though i had used tren ace before. i read where it acted a bit different than ace. i don't get all those side from tren that most people get. i had problems eating more though.
i was just switching to primo e and bump starting with primo ace. i really like primo, but it make me sweat like crazy most of the time. my bed is always soaked in the middle of the night, not to mention i walk around like i've taken a shower in my clothes. i know, most people don't experience that on primo, but i do.
i ended up tearing a bicep/tendon, so my cycle is kind of over for now. still i'm doing trt doses of test/trest/and deca. i might have lower or drop clomid and adex on trt doses.
i must be getting my mix right, because here in the last week my libido jumps and having no problems other than cumming too quick, lol.
 
Hi guys
I have 3 vials of trest ace, thinking kf using it, but i try to find out how it acts on hair line!!! I am prone to baldness, and honeslty try to avoid that. Intending to use 100mg per week, divided in 25mg/eod
I have anastrozole and examestane ready!!!

Whats your opinion about it on your hair line??
 
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