why are you not using IGF?

[nuknuk]

I hear all the HGH talk and questions and even get them asked to me, and in the back of my mind, I'm like why are we even talking about HGH when there is IGF? Now yes if you can afford human grade HGH without hurting your wallet, then by all means take it. But for most gym rats I don't see the need on wasting money on generic hgh.

 

[BigZ]

I'd bet that most of the big pros take both HGH and IGF, but for the rest of us, IGF is definitely more affordable and it works. I know I wouldn't have the progress I've made without it. And I've used IGF from a few different places, but MC's IGF has always been the best hands down.

 

[drtbear1967]

I love the stuff. I cannot see me ever going off of it. It make me feel better and I love the pumps.

 

[LKPiPs]

Are you guys using it pre or post workout in the body parts you are training?? I was reading that it may be more effective post workout and there were additional benefits.

I was using it for a while over a year ago. I can attest to the "pumps" when I was doing it pre workout. I used to run a log as well here on MC. I should look for it to refresh my memory on what I was experiencing. But unfortunately I fucked up one day and from that point, I never went back to it. It was MY fault ultimately, but what it caused concerned me, so I discontinued it. After training chest/tri's one day, I hit the triceps post workout and not realizing, I was flexing my tricep on the pin. That resulted in the slin actually BENDING and not even entering the muscle. It just made a left turn and stayed under the skin. Without even knowing, I proceeded to inject and the IGF went in under the skin surface. It wasn't that much, but damn.....caused havoc. The skin turned bright white and eventually caused an open wound. I cared for it for months and it then scabbed and caused a nice scar. It really fucked up that area. What in the solution would cause that, I don't know. Like I said....my fault...but I have been hesitant to return.

 

[trekrider215]

I've used MC IGF1 and apparently i'm one of the few people that get this, but I simply can't use it anymore because I welt up to bad. I think I have a reaction to the Acetic Acid. If I inject sub q I end up with these quarter size welts in the sub q tissue that stay there for up to a month or two. When I inject intramuscular I get the same welts. It literally feels like a knot inside the muscle, not to mention that it's incredibly fucking painful. Kind of feels like a hot iron being pressed into that spot for a few hours. I also can't seem to flex the muscle. For instance if I were to pin in my quad tissue it would get so tight and painful that I wouldn't be able to squat down for the rest of the day.

It has to just be a personal reaction to the AA.I use both hgh from the pharmacy (saizen and norditropin), and high quality generics (Grey Top brand, and Black top Meditropes). I use 4-5ius of pharma and 4-5ius of generics per day. Think about the difference in actual liquid that is compared to the igf1. I could pin 5ius in my belly fat and that little knot will be gone in 30 minutes. For some reason when I pin the IGF1 that little knot stays for a month or two.

This is pretty much the only reason I don't give it a shot anymore. I wish I could because i'd like to see how it works alongside my hgh. I respond pretty well, I think. I got my igf1 up to almost 500ng/dl off of only 3ius of generics. That's pretty decent number considering the dose. I need to get bloodwork again i'm really curious where i'm at with the added pharm dose in for the last few months.There are some generics that work, and work well. I really don't even notice a difference between them and saizen from the pharmacy. Granted theres only like one brand I actually trust.For the time I did use the igf1-lr3 I definitely think it does work, I just don't really trust buying igf1 from anyone else except for MC, and unless they can make it for me without AA i'm kind of stuck.

(I don't know what happened. I made this with paragraphs and when I hit send they all went away...) Ok Edited again, quick paragraphs lol.

 

[nuknuk]

Are you guys using it pre or post workout in the body parts you are training?? I was reading that it may be more effective post workout and there were additional benefits.

I was using it for a while over a year ago. I can attest to the "pumps" when I was doing it pre workout. I used to run a log as well here on MC. I should look for it to refresh my memory on what I was experiencing. But unfortunately I fucked up one day and from that point, I never went back to it. It was MY fault ultimately, but what it caused concerned me, so I discontinued it. After training chest/tri's one day, I hit the triceps post workout and not realizing, I was flexing my tricep on the pin. That resulted in the slin actually BENDING and not even entering the muscle. It just made a left turn and stayed under the skin. Without even knowing, I proceeded to inject and the IGF went in under the skin surface. It wasn't that much, but damn.....caused havoc. The skin turned bright white and eventually caused an open wound. I cared for it for months and it then scabbed and caused a nice scar. It really fucked up that area. What in the solution would cause that, I don't know. Like I said....my fault...but I have been hesitant to return.

I'm using it pre and post right now. 20/20 mcg split.

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I've used MC IGF1 and apparently i'm one of the few people that get this, but I simply can't use it anymore because I welt up to bad. I think I have a reaction to the Acetic Acid. If I inject sub q I end up with these quarter size welts in the sub q tissue that stay there for up to a month or two. When I inject intramuscular I get the same welts. It literally feels like a knot inside the muscle, not to mention that it's incredibly fucking painful. Kind of feels like a hot iron being pressed into that spot for a few hours. I also can't seem to flex the muscle. For instance if I were to pin in my quad tissue it would get so tight and painful that I wouldn't be able to squat down for the rest of the day.

It has to just be a personal reaction to the AA.I use both hgh from the pharmacy (saizen and norditropin), and high quality generics (Grey Top brand, and Black top Meditropes). I use 4-5ius of pharma and 4-5ius of generics per day. Think about the difference in actual liquid that is compared to the igf1. I could pin 5ius in my belly fat and that little knot will be gone in 30 minutes. For some reason when I pin the IGF1 that little knot stays for a month or two.

This is pretty much the only reason I don't give it a shot anymore. I wish I could because i'd like to see how it works alongside my hgh. I respond pretty well, I think. I got my igf1 up to almost 500ng/dl off of only 3ius of generics. That's pretty decent number considering the dose. I need to get bloodwork again i'm really curious where i'm at with the added pharm dose in for the last few months.There are some generics that work, and work well. I really don't even notice a difference between them and saizen from the pharmacy. Granted theres only like one brand I actually trust.For the time I did use the igf1-lr3 I definitely think it does work, I just don't really trust buying igf1 from anyone else except for MC, and unless they can make it for me without AA i'm kind of stuck.

(I don't know what happened. I made this with paragraphs and when I hit send they all went away...) Ok Edited again, quick paragraphs lol.

That's sucks to hear about the IGF, maybe presser can chime in on this. I prefer IM with IGF.

 

[yellow snow]

I hear all the HGH talk and questions and even get them asked to me, and in the back of my mind, I'm like why are we even talking about HGH when there is IGF? Now yes if you can afford human grade HGH without hurting your wallet, then by all means take it. But for most gym rats I don't see the need on wasting money on generic hgh.

To answer your post, I think that there is a lot of bogus IGF floating around and guys don't see any results. MC has good stuff, once someone uses it they usually keep using it.

I honestly like low dose HGH ( still isn't too bad on the waller, 2 iu) before bed and IGF before workouts.

 

[trekrider215]

I'm using it pre and post right now. 20/20 mcg split.

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That's sucks to hear about the IGF, maybe presser can chime in on this. I prefer IM with IGF.

Yah, I spoke to him once about it. I don't think I did a very good job of explaining what was happening. I think he just may have thought I was injecting too fast causing that little pocket in the fat. but in reality, the amount of IGF1 you inject at a single time is such a small amount of liquid. It's barely anything, but ends up leaving a lump under the skin about 5 times the size of the actual liquid that went in. And then for some reason that lump just stays there. When I inject hgh, I'm injecting damn near half a milliter of liquid at a time, and it all disperses in a few hour tops.

I mean the welts aside, the pains almost unbearable. That little bit of liquid should not cause that much pain and stiffness inside the muscle. Not just that but it causes the muscle to swell. Like how when you get pip from a really bad shot, and your limping around with a swollen leg or butt cheek for a few days. I'm literally getting that but almost instantaneously. At first I just thought okay maybe I just need to suck it up, and then I started to think logically and i'm like okay something isn't right, i'm definitely having some sort of allergic reaction to this.

I explained it a little better in this post though so maybe he will have some insight. Like I said, I do believe the IGF1 was doing its job, I just think I have a problem with that particular carrier for it.

 

[guardianactual]

Yah, I spoke to him once about it. I don't think I did a very good job of explaining what was happening. I think he just may have thought I was injecting too fast causing that little pocket in the fat. but in reality, the amount of IGF1 you inject at a single time is such a small amount of liquid. It's barely anything, but ends up leaving a lump under the skin about 5 times the size of the actual liquid that went in. And then for some reason that lump just stays there. When I inject hgh, I'm injecting damn near half a milliter of liquid at a time, and it all disperses in a few hour tops.

I mean the welts aside, the pains almost unbearable. That little bit of liquid should not cause that much pain and stiffness inside the muscle. Not just that but it causes the muscle to swell. Like how when you get pip from a really bad shot, and your limping around with a swollen leg or butt cheek for a few days. I'm literally getting that but almost instantaneously. At first I just thought okay maybe I just need to suck it up, and then I started to think logically and i'm like okay something isn't right, i'm definitely having some sort of allergic reaction to this.

I explained it a little better in this post though so maybe he will have some insight. Like I said, I do believe the IGF1 was doing its job, I just think I have a problem with that particular carrier for it.

It does that to me with subq. Actually so does HCG in BW. For me its scar tissue. Reason I think it is.... is bc I injected a ton subq I was doing 5 shots a day subq of peptides and I would at times subq test as well. Bad for me...

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I hear all the HGH talk and questions and even get them asked to me, and in the back of my mind, I'm like why are we even talking about HGH when there is IGF? Now yes if you can afford human grade HGH without hurting your wallet, then by all means take it. But for most gym rats I don't see the need on wasting money on generic hgh.

Generic HGH is a waste? Too low or something?

 

[Masher59]

I like my pharma grade HGH with MC IGF lr3 and T3. Melts the fat away and lean muscle growth with test, tren, EQ, winny (oil and oral), var, masteron and clen.

 

[gandhisays]

trekrider, have you tried using the lr3 I.M. or only subcutaneously? intra muscular should not leave any welting at all and is the preferred method of use in my opinion. I have had welts subQ with a few things and they usually go away pretty fast and stop welting altogether after a while.

 

[trekrider215]

trekrider, have you tried using the lr3 I.M. or only subcutaneously? intra muscular should not leave any welting at all and is the preferred method of use in my opinion. I have had welts subQ with a few things and they usually go away pretty fast and stop welting altogether after a while.

Hey brother, just for reference scroll up just a tiny bit and read my post a few above.

I've used both I.M. and SubQ.

SubQ- Wasn't painful (well, slight burning but still tolerable), but left giant knots under the skin that stayed there for a month or two. Obviously when your pinning daily, you can only let that go so far before your just one big knotty mess.

I.M.- Still left a knot in the muscle. When you pressed down on the muscle it felt like a little blueberry inside the tissue. Aside from that, the burning sensation was extremely painful and it would cause the muscle to stiffen and lock up. For instance, if I were to pin on the side of my quad, I wouldn't be sitting down on the toilet anytime soon. Felt like PIP from a really bad injection of hormones, only it would happen almost immediately after injection. There was no delay like with gear. From the second that stuff went in my muscle, I could just kind of tell it shouldn't be there. I'd wrather pin a few cc's of Test suspension with an 18g needle then pin that tiny amount of igf1 with a 29g slin pin. I'm really not kidding.

Again, for people reading this. It's more then likely an allergic reaction of some sort. It has nothing to do with the integrity of the product. I'v turned many friends onto this product and no one I know has this reaction. After looking it up, it's really not outside the realm of possibilities that i'm having a reaction to it. When things are in there that shouldn't be there your body trys to seal them off. makes sense I guess.

 

[gandhisays]

very sorry for not being thorough enough reading your posts. You might be right about you and acetic acid then. Sorry to hear of this trekrider, and i dont think anyone read into your post as you bashing on the product. Everyone is different

 

[trekrider215]

I like my pharma grade HGH with MC IGF lr3 and T3. Melts the fat away and lean muscle growth with test, tren, EQ, winny (oil and oral), var, masteron and clen.

You've got a good combo here. I like it.


Reminds me of the ultimate olympia stack:

1) 15-30ius Saizen or Genotropin HGH
2) Insulin combo; different lengths (100ius lantus and 50-100ius log)
3) Receptor grade IGF1-LR3 (i'm not sure if they even make a pharma grade IGF1-lr3. I guess receptor would be the best, i'm not sure it's used in medicine though)
4) Increlex (Mecasermin, pure pharma IGF1 2-4mgs or however much you can afford or obtain)
5) Iplex (Mecasermin Rinfabate; pure pharma IGF1 Binding Protein 3, I forgot how this shit is dosed)

Igf1 levels are in the THOUSANDS, and now you have binding protein 3 to specifically pick up all that IGF1 and allow it to impart its bad ass effects on muscle tissues and the good stuff. This is what makes mutants. Yes, there are some very crafty guys at high levels that can get this shit, probably big ramy. This is some next level shit right here. Throw in some heavy heavy androgens and this will set apart the top pros from the upper echelon of top pros. No, it probably won't make any of us into anything special though. We'd all probably just roll over and die. J/K, I know some guys who have utilized all but number 5. Progress happens fast and you grow friggin lean.

 

[trekrider215]

very sorry for not being thorough enough reading your posts. You might be right about you and acetic acid then. Sorry to hear of this trekrider, and i dont think anyone read into your post as you bashing on the product. Everyone is different

Nah I don't think anyones bashing me. I'm just trying to make it clear that It's not an issue with the product, it's more so an issue with me. I definitely recommend everyone give it a try.

 

[OmegaMan]

I don't use anything I have to mix myself and have to inject, wouldn't know where to inject anyway.

 

[LeatherHead]

I don't use anything I have to mix myself and have to inject, wouldn't know where to inject anyway.

You don't have to mix anything with MC igf. It comes all ready to go.

I call MC IGF my Miracle in a Bottle. I've used it for almost 10 years, and will never stop, as long as Presser has it available. Speaking of, I'm waiting on another shipment to get here, so I can start benefitting, since I've run out.