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The Anabolic Doc: Don’t Be Fooled – Bodybuilders Suffer From Steroids Quietly
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The Anabolic Doc warns: Even healthy looking steroid users might be suffering in private.
Dr. Thomas O’Connor, aka the Anabolic Doc, has dedicated his entire career to studying the effects of steroids and other anabolic substances on athletes. He has always tried to bridge the gap between the hard truth of science, and the psychology and desires of athletes that use PEDs. He understands why athletes might be willing to take health risks for greatness. But he also wants to make one thing clear – long term steroid use will always have consequences.
While doctors and scientists have always been making such alarming claims, there are many who don’t believe it. This is largely due to the number of athletes who seem perfectly healthy after admitting to a career of steroid use. The Anabolic Doc wants doesn’t want people to be fooled – just because an athlete seems healthy in their older age, doesn’t mean they actually are. In our latest GI Exclusive interview, the Anabolic Doc explains how more often than not steroid users suffer quietly. Even if they outwardly appear to be healthy long term.
Most athletes who consider using steroids or other PEDs understand the risk they are taking with their health. Some athletes, in the pursuit of greatness, are willing to take that risk. But there are also a large swath of steroid users, both athletes and casual athletic individuals, who simply don’t know how bad the long term affects can really be.
This is due to the fact that famous athletes who get caught for steroid use, well, seem perfectly fine. Even long after retirement, a star athlete who had been caught doping seems to be living a normal healthy life. This kind of optics makes it easier to ignore the very real health issues that arise from long term steroid use. It’s this kind of optics that the Anabolic Doc wants to warn young steroid users about.
As the saying goes out of sight, out of mind. Things that are far off into our future are easy to ignore. This is especially true if there are no obvious warning signs publicly spoken about by iconic athletes. Outwardly, it appears that an athlete can use steroids, retire, stop taking steroids, and be perfectly fine – so long as they stop early enough. The Anabolic Doc can’t stress enough how untrue this idea is. While he can’t speak for every individual who takes steroids, his studies and experience prove this – most steroid users are suffering silently.
Dr. O’Connor details exactly the kind of private suffering that steroid users face down the road:
“We don’t know. Now, these men suffer quietly. I know, in this mind, because who comes to see me? They come to see me and they tell me the truth with their wife, their children, their mothers. And there’s a lot of tears. Because thy have heart disease and kidney disease. And they have psychiatric disease.”
The Anabolic Doc can’t speculate on specific high profile athletes or individuals – as he doesn’t know them personally. What he can rely on is the years of clients and data from studies that show how much suffering long term steroid users face. What goes on privately can be vastly different than what we see presented in public.
You can watch the Anabolic Doc’s full comments in our latest GI Exclusive interview segment above!
William Bonac Arrives In United States Ahead Of Olympia
William Bonac confirmed he has arrived and will be competing in the Olympia.
It has been a chaotic couple of weeks for William Bonac. He was forced to miss the Arnold Classic two weeks ago because of issues with travel. Bonac was the reigning champion of the event and was unable to defend his title. His plan was to return for the Olympia and it is going to happen this weekend.
Bonac recently announced that he has arrived in the U.S. and will be able to compete on the biggest stage of the year. Bonac took to Instagram on Monday to make the announcement but said he arrived in Orlando on Friday.
“We finally made it to the USA’ for the @mrolympiallc 2021.
I just want 2 take this opportunity 2 apologize 2 all of you ?that I am competing at @mrolympiallc
Actually we arrived at Friday evening needed the whole weekend to adjust to the different timezones.”
William Bonac went onto explain that there was a problem with his Esta and was forced to get a visa. He was able to get one in time and will be able to appear at the Olympia.
“Bonac has appeared in the previous seven Olympia competitions. This began back in 2014, when he placed 14th. Bonac has quickly turned into one of the best in the sport. His highest finish on the Olympia stage was in 2019. He finished second to Brandon Curry that year.
“First of all there were some misunderstanding with my Esta due the denial of the Waver proclamation to get me on time for the AC. My Esta got invalid because of this and was not returnable. So my only option was to get an visa in time, wich we did.
Thanks to God who made us meet some amazing people named @amw0lf& his fiancé @motivate.train.inspireThey were about to fly out to Orlando as well, for the amateur Olympia unfortunately @amw0lf lost his passport with his visa in it. Despite that he was day and night busy with my case until they finally got an appointment for me at the embassy. Thank you so much much my friend without you I wouldn’t be here!!!????
Now I got a visa, wich is even better so I don’t have to worry for the next 10 years.”
William Bonac would have been a force at the Arnold Classic and given champion Nick Walker a run for his money. Now, Bonac will have to make up for lost times and show his full ability on stage in Orlando. There are plenty of reasons to be excited about the upcoming Olympia competition and Bonac returning just adds another to the list.
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Robby Robinson and Nick Walker Continue to Trade Words on Social Media
Robby Robinson and Nick Walker Continue to Trade Words on Social Media
It seems as if Robby Robinson and recent Arnold Classic winner Nick Walker are continuing to share words online. After the legendary Robinson shared his opinion on the state of modern bodybuilding, a confrontation with Walker was all but inevitable. Accept it didn’t quite turn out in the way that many expected.
Rather than retaliating with harsh words and name calling, it appears that Nick Walker has chosen to take a more diplomatic approach. Walker commented on a recent post made by Robby Robinson in perhaps the least offensive comeback ever.
The Beef Continues
The post in question is a classic photo of Robby Robinson at the height of his powers. He looks truly impressive in the image and the epitome of the classic bodybuilder.
In the post Nick Walker took to the comments to say the following.
While someone could interpret this as Walker being tongue in cheek, there’s really no way to tell if the statement was meant to be hostile or goading. On face value alone it appears to be a very polite statement and nothing more.
Robinson Remains Undeterred
After the post and the comment, Robby Robinson put up another post, detailing that he has been harassed online for his opinions on Nick Walker.
I have gotten a bunch of [email protected] , nasty comments, cussed out..
To all INHALE…..
Nothing can you say to me, write, text me, the n word ,call me a grand pa, ( honored ) Dork, washed up..I am unconsumed by any ones fear. TOTALLY ARMED UNAFRAID. . .
If you think this is healthy. Something you would use as a MOTIVATIONAL EMPOWERMENT. Something you would ADMIRE .. THEN YOU need to have a long SERIOUS CONVERSATION WITH YOURSELF….RR .. STILL HAVE THEM ..
With all this back and forth the reality is that bodybuilding isn’t going to change. Many say that Classic Physique exists for those individuals with similar tastes to Robby Robinson. Men’s Open Bodybuilding is unlikely to return to the days of yore when competitors that looked like Robinson were the norm.
At this point the argument is likely to fall on deaf ears. Many like the massive physiques of bodybuilding these days. At this point it seems like mass monsters are here to stay.
What do you think of Robby Robinson and Nick Walker trading words online?
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News and Editorial Writer at Generation Iron, Jonathan Salmon is a writer, martial arts instructor, and geek culture enthusiast. Check out his YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Sound Cloud for in-depth MMA analysis.
Iain Valliere: There Are Only Two Ways To Beat Big Ramy At Mr. Olympia 2021
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Iain Valliere breaks down the two approaches to beating Big Ramy ahead of the Mr. Olympia 2021.
We are less than one week away from the biggest bodybuilding event of the year – Mr. Olympia 2021. This will be Big Ramy’s first chance to defend his champion status. Will he prove his win to be more than just a fluke? Or will he be another athlete to join the one and done list of single Olympia champions? Only time will tell – but in the meantime we spoke with qualified Olympia competition Iain Valliere on whether or not Ramy can be defeated. He thinks it’s a tough mountain to climb – but there is a slim margin to beat Ramy. In our latest GI Exclusive interview, Iain Valliere details the only two ways that Big Ramy can be defeated at the Mr. Olympia 2021.
In 2020, Big Ramy showcased the greatest physique of his career. For the first time ever, his conditioning matched his enormous size. This made him a powerhouse and nearly unstoppable. Returning champion Brandon Curry could not hold up – nor could seven time former Olympia champion Phil Heath. Ramy was fully realized. It earned him a spot on the short list of Olympia champions.
It’s been a near year since that epic victory. We are just under a week before the Mr. Olympia 2021. This is our first time to see Big Ramy on stage competing again. Traditionally, Big Ramy’s biggest weakness has been the consistency of his conditioning. One year he will be close to on point. The next he would be completely off point. Just because Ramy won a Mr. Olympia title doesn’t mean the consistency problem will be fixed.
That being said, Big Ramy’s impressive physique in 2020 might also signal he has learned what is needed to keep his conditioning consistent. We’ll soon find out this weekend. During our conversation with fellow Olympia competitor Iain Valliere – we asked his take on Big Ramy’s physique and how he could be potentially toppled from his throne. The way Valliere sees it, there are only two viable tactics for defeating Big Ramy.
The first is to beat him in size. If a competitor can show up with insane size and conditioning to at the very least match Big Ramy – then he can lose the title. The second tactic is to look at Ramy’s weakness and exploit them. This means that a bodybuilder would focus less on size and more on absolute superior conditioning and aesthetics. Iain Valliere thinks that no competitor is currently poised to succeed with the first tactic. This leaves only conditioning and aesthetics as the superior route to defeat Ramy.
“I think there’s two ways to beat Ramy,” Iain Valliere stated in our interview. He continued:
“It’s going to come down to either a guy with really really crazy shape like a Brandon or a Nathan but compiled with really good conditioning. Or it’s going to come down to someone bigger with better conditioning. I don’t see anyone being bigger than Ramy so I think the way to beat Ramy is with detail and shape. I think trying to be bigger than the biggest guy is insanity.”
Looking back at the 2020 Mr. Olympia, Iain Valliere saw Brandon Curry as the closest competitor to take down Big Ramy.
“I think someone like Brandon last year could have closed that gap if his conditioning was a little better. Because he has the shape, he has the symmetry, he has that silhouette of, like, a very very dominant bodybuilder with the bubbliness and flow and tiny waist. Where he was just a little subpar was his conditioning in comparison [to Big Ramy]”
Iain Valliere goes on to state that Brandon Curry is still a superb athlete and is only critiquing his physique in comparison to Big Ramy. In fact, Iain Vailliere even takes himself out of the equation – stating that he is not in the right place to beat someone like Ramy at this year’s competition.
So it seems, according to Iain Valliere, the Mr. Olympia 2021 title will teeter on two factors. How on point Big Ramy is with his conditioning and how on point a rival competitor can raise the bar to exploit Ramy’s weaknesses. It all hangs on the delicate blade of a knife.
You can watch Iain Valliere’s full breakdown on tackling Big Ramy at Mr. Olympia 2021 by watching our latest GI Exclusive interview segment above!
Is Nathan De Asha Out Of 2021 Olympia?
Nathan De Asha might not be on stage during the biggest competition of the year.
Nathan De Asha is just two days removed from a victory at the Arnold Classic UK. Following the event, rumors have surfaced that De Asha will not be able to compete at the upcoming Olympia in Orlando.
De Asha qualified for the biggest event of the year after winning the Europa Pro back in August. This was his first event since 2019 and there were expectations as he was returning to the Olympia stage.
This is because Nathan De Asha has not yet been granted a U.S. Visa to get into the country. He would not be able to make it to Florida for the event if this happens. This has been an issue recently but other competitors, such as James Hollingshead and Hadi Choopan, have been able to make it over in time to prepare for the competition.
This stems from legal trouble De Asha got involved in during COVID-19. During the shutdown, gyms were unable to remain open. De Asha kept his open and this caused run-ins with law enforcement. He was fined and would receive more if he kept his doors open. He did keep his doors open and was allegedly holding gym members throughout the shutdown. De Asha was also ordered to pay back money for sales of illegal steroids.
Nathan De Asha has yet to officially announce this himself but it is all lining up for him to miss the upcoming Olympia. He was able to win the Arnold Classic UK last weekend in his home country and this was a priority. De Asha did not receive information about flights or his status coming to America prior to competing in England.
This win at the Arnold Classic UK qualified De Asha to compete in the 2022 Olympia. Because of this, he might not prioritize this year’s show and he could take the extra time to sort out his legal situation.
Nathan De Asha last appeared at the Olympia in 2018, where he finished eighth. It is unknown when we will see him on stage again but it will likely be once these other matters are figured out.
Generation Iron will remain updated as more information comes out on De Asha’s status this weekend in Orlando. For more news and updates, follow Generation Iron on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
Bodybuilding Legend Bob Bonham Has Passed Away
The bodybuilding community has lost a staple in Bob Bonham.
Sad news rocks the bodybuilding community as Bob Bonham has passed away. A true staple in bodybuilding, Bonham was an important figure in the 90s and 2000s era. He was responsible for the creation of what many considered the first East Coast Mecca, Strong and Shapely Gym. Bonham also promoted the Mr. America competition for a number of years in the past.
Many different outlets have reported on the passing of Bob Bonham. This includes a post to social media by another legend of the game.
Kevin Levrone posted to his social media sharing a quick story about his interaction with Bob Bonham. Levrone’s own experience highlights just how thoughtful and selfless Bonham was in life. The quote of Levrone below painted the picture of a man who was selfless and caring towards those in his community.
This Man Drove Me To The Nationals In 1991 From New Jersey To Pittsburgh. I’ll Never Forget The 9hr Car Ride That Change My Life. Forever Grateful-RIP BROTHER ??
The news of his passing was also posted on the Strong and Shapely Gym’s official Instagram page. As of now Bonham’s cause of death as not been disclosed to the public.
It’s clear that Bob Bonham had a positive influence on all those he encountered. Many individuals in the community are sharing the positive experiences they had meeting the influential bodybuilder and business owner.
This video below demonstrates just how much of a positive influence Bob Bonham was in the bodybuilding community.
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Bonham will be greatly missed. The Generation Iron team extends condolences to the family and friends of Bob Bonham.
News and Editorial Writer at Generation Iron, Jonathan Salmon is a writer, martial arts instructor, and geek culture enthusiast. Check out his YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and Sound Cloud for in-depth MMA analysis.
Nick Walker Shares Training Video Ahead Of Olympia
Nick Walker showed off a chest and bicep workout 10 days out of the 2021 Olympia.
Nick Walker has been extremely impressive this year on stage. He has been one of the top competitors in the world and has a chance to complete it with a victory at the 2021 Olympia. Walker won the New York Pro this year and earned qualification to the biggest event of the year.
The Olympia will take place this weekend in Orlando. Prior to the event, Walker got a warmup at the Arnold Classic, where he defeated the likes to Iain Valliere and Steve Kuclo. This was his second victory of the year and will have a chance to complete the trifecta at the Olympia. Ahead of the event, Walker released a training video on his YouTube page.
“After an incredible Arnold Classic debut where Nick finished 1st overall, he is back in the gym and getting ready for the Olympia where he will make his Olympia debut. Watch as Nick takes you through his chest and bicep routine, while explaining why he does certain exercises. Thanks for watching and enjoy!!”
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Nick Walker released this video on Sept. 30 of a chest and bicep workout. On Sunday, a shoulder workout was shared giving 70.3 thousand subscribers a chance to see how one of the top bodybuilders in the sport gets ready for competition.
Walker will have plenty of competition heading into this year’s Olympia. There have been four different winners in each of the last four years. Big Ramy will enter with a chance to repeat and will be viewed as one of the favorites. There will be plenty of other big names featured at the event. William Bonac was forced to miss the Arnold Classic but has his sights set on Orlando.
Hadi Choopan has arrived in the United States to compete while Roelly Winklaar and Nathan De Asha, who recently won the Arnold Classic UK, will also be on stage.
There will be plenty of competition for Walker but he has been training appropriately to be at his best during the Olympia. There is only a few more days until the biggest competition will crown a champion.
Generation Iron will have full coverage of the 2021 Olympia over the course of the weekend.
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Lukas Osladil: The Best Posers That Today’s Bodybuilders Should Learn From
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Lukas Osladil explains his unique posing style and lists off the best posers in the history of bodybuilding.
Lukas Osladil is a rising star in the bodybuilding world. Beyond his massive physique, Osladil showcases a very entertaining and unique posing routine whenever he competes. He performs splits and flips in a way that is shocking for a man of his size. It recalls the likes of Roelly Winklaar on occasion. Arnold Schwarzenegger has recently renewed his criticism of modern posing routines during the Arnold Classic 2021 broadcast. In our latest GI Exclusive interview, Lukas Osladil lists of the best bodybuilding posers of all time that today’s athletes should watch and learn from.
Over the past decade, there has been a renewed conversation about the art of posing. While some fans may miss the beauty of posing in the Golden Era and even the 90s – things really came to a head when Arnold Schwarzenegger himself started to criticize modern posing. It went so far as to bring back a scored posing round in the Arnold Classic.
Despite this, there seems to be no big change in the overall culture of posing routines for modern bodybuilders. There will always be a select few who bring more originality into the routine – but most simply hit the mandatories and hype up the audience with some gestures.
One exception to this is Lukas Osladil. A pro bodybuilder with an impressive physique to match his impressive posing routines. He often fits in gymnastic-esque techniques into his routine much to the delight of fans. During our conversation with Osladil, we asked him to detail how he landed on his specific posing style.
We also asked Lukas Osladil who most inspired him in the posing world of bodybuilding. Specifically, we asked him to list his picks for the five best posers in bodybuilding history. At a glance, his choices were Shawn Ray, Kai Greene, Melvin Anthony, Vince Taylor, and Fred Smalls. While this interview took place just before the Arnold Classic – the conversation seems well timed. Arnold Schwarzenegger was very vocal during the broadcast about his dissatisfaction in modern posing. He felt they lack passion and most athletes could not hold a pose long enough.
So perhaps Lukas Osladil’s list of best posers can act as a research guide for today’s rising athletes. Osladil explains that he will spend on average two months preparing his routine. If more modern bodybuilders take this approach, watch some posing legends, and develop their own unique style – we just might have a second coming of beautiful posing in bodybuilding.
The bigger question is whether or not it 100% needs to change. Perhaps Arnold Schwarzenegger is right about mandatories and athletes not holding poses long enough. But does the originality of posing absolutely need to come back? That’s up to personal preference. It can be something to further entertain fans – but it’s also not necessary to properly display the quality of a bodybuilding physique. So long as the mandatories are hit properly. Lukas Osladil’s posing may entertain – but does it improve his chance of winning a show?
As with all things – this might be a case of the bodybuilding culture changing – and older generations being unhappy with the new world as it leaves them behind. Also like all things – it’s likely that the art of posing will circle back eventually. All trends run in cycles. The question is how long will this one last?
You can watch Lukas Osladil’s full comments on posing in bodybuilding by watching our latest GI Exclusive interview segment above!
2021 Arnold Strongman Classic UK Results: Evan Singleton Wins Inaugural Event
Evan Singleton narrowly defeated Oleskii Novikov to take home the title.
The Arnold Sports Festival UK took place over the weekend in Birmingham, England. The weekend began with Nathan De Asha taking home the prize in Men’s Open during the bodybuilding contest and it ended with Evan Singleton winning the inaugural 2021 Arnold Strongman Classic UK.
A group of the best competitors in the world put on a show in England that will keep this event as a must-watch over the years. Singleton narrowly defeated former World’s Strongest Man Oleksii Novikov, who finished second. Trey Mitchell took him the bronze in the competition.
There were a total of five events that took place for competitors to take part in. Below, you can find a full breakdown of the final standings and event-by-event coverage.
2021 Arnold Strongman Classic UK Results
First Place – Evan Singleton — 42 points
Second Place – Oleksii Novikov — 42 points
Third Place – Trey Mitchell — 36.5 points*
Fourth Place – J.F. Caron — 36.5 points
Fifth Place – Mark Felix — 28 points
Sixth Place – Andy Black — 25 points
Seventh Place – Nedzmin Ambeskovic — 19 points
Eighth Place – Pa O’Dwyer — 14 points
Ninth Place – Luke Stoltman — Four points
Tenth Place – Tom Stoltman — Three points
Singleton was named the winner after coming out on top in the tie-breaker. Luke Stoltman withdrew after the first event and his brother, Tom, was out just one event later.
Hercules Hold
Mark Felix — 81.62 seconds
Evan Singleton — 78.11 seocnds
JF Caron — 74.27 seconds
The Hercules hold was the first event of the competition. Mark Felix is known as the best in this event and he was able to take home the win here. Felix currently holds the world record in the Hercules hold of one minute and 32 seconds.
Frame Carry
Oleksii Novikov — 7.35 seconds
Evan Singleton — 8.50 seconds
Mark Felix — 9.75 seconds
The frame carry tested which competitor could carry 400kg (881lb) a distance of 20 meters in the fastest time. Novikov used his impressive grip and brute strength to win this event by over one second.
Axle Bar Deadlift for Reps
Oleksii Novikov — Eight reps
Trey Mitchell — Seven reps
Evan Singleton — Five reps
JF Caron — Five reps
Nedzmin Ambeskovic — Five reps
Up next, the athletes were given 60 seconds to deadlift 360kg (793.4lb) for as many reps as possible in the time given. Novikov won his second-straight event besting Mitchell by a single rep. This is where it looked like Novikov might win the 2021 Arnold Strongman Classic UK.
Dumbbell Press
Oleksii Novikov — Eight reps
Evan Singleton — Seven reps
Trey Mitchell — Six reps
JF Caron — Six reps
Novikov won another event in the dumbbell press and this is one where he holds the world record. Novikov pressed the 100kg (220.5lb) weight eight times to take home the victory. Singleton finished just one behind and remained alive in the competition.
Atlas Stones
Andy Black — Five stones in 18.28 seconds
Trey Mitchell — Five stones in 18.41 seconds
Evan Singleton — Five stones in 19.44 seconds
Neither Singleton or Novikov finished first in the event but they still led in points. Andy Black completed all five stones in 18.28 seconds. Singleton finished third at 19.44 seconds but this was still one second faster than Novikov. Because of the tiebreaker being the final event, Singleton was named the winner after his head-to-head victory over Novikov.
Congratulations to Singleton for winning the 2021 Arnold Strongman Classic UK. For more news and updates, follow Generation Iron on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
Michal Krizo Wins Mr. Universe Pro 2021
Michal Krizo continues his dominant rise in IFBB Elite Pro with a big win at the Mr. Universe Pro.
While the biggest event of the weekend was the Arnold Classic UK 2021, this weekend also held the Elite Pro Mr. Universe Pro. Held on October 2nd, Michal Krizo dominated and earned first place in the Men’s Open Mr. Universe Pro. This win comes after an explosion in popularity for Krizo – catching the eyes of many IFBB Pro fans in the process.
Michael Krizo has been on a string of victories in the Elite Pro league as of late – and adds another title to his belt with a big win at the Mr. Universe Pro. His victories have become so eye-catching – that many IFBB Pro fans have been making comparisons of his physique to top athletes in the IFBB Pro league. Many have mused how he would fair if he switched leagues – though it’s rumored he is in an exclusive contract with the Elite Pro league for at least a year.
During his rise in popularity ands shortly before the Mr. Universe Pro competition – Michal Krizo also drew attention for his comments on the Arnold Classic 2021. Krizo took shots at Nick Walker – somewhat jokingly stating that “Nick Walker is no rival for me boys,” and also that, “bodybuilding isn’t only mass.” After receiving some criticism for the comments – he later apologized.
Michal Krizo’s victory at the Mr. Universe Pro seems to solidify his popularity across the globe. He very well may be one of the first Elite Pro bodybuilders to gain this kind of attention crossing between leagues. The Elite Pro league has been in existence since the controversial split between the IFBB Pro/NPC and the IFBB Pro International in 2017.
Second place at the Elite Pro Mr. Universe Pro was Pavel Koukal, presenting an impressive and well balanced physique with some solid conditioning. But could not topple the massive physique of Krizo. Following Pavel was Rene Gorol in third place, followed by Carlos Blanco and Tomas Kaspar in fourth and fifth place respectively.
The Elite Pro Mr. Universe Pro should not be confused with the NABBA associated and historical Mr. Universe competition. Even still, the event in the IFBB Elite Pro is a big event for the league – named in honor of the prestigious respect associated with the title.
Originally launched in 1975 with Bob Birdsong winning the event – the Mr. Universe Pro was run until 1981. It has now been revived by the Elite Pro and returend to big acclaim in 2021. With it’s return, the Elite Pro aims to have the competition be one of the pinnacle events for the league season.
With Michel Krizo’s breakthrough success, we’ll continue to keep an eye on the Elite Pro competitor to see his progress through the league. It would be fantastic to see how he would fair against top tier athletes in the IFBB Pro league – though that seems to be a far ways off if at all possible.