Stacking and Using Winstrol

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Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Winstrol - Stanozolol is a very commonly used anabolic steroid for cutting cycles. While many people will attempt to use Dianabol or even Anadrol for cutting cycles, Ive really never heard of anyone using Stanozolol for anything except a cutting cycle. Its a bit of a one-trick-pony in this respect. Let me repeat that: Stanozolol is a cutting drug. Not many people will argue for its use in a bulking cycle. Its certainly not a very effective compound for treating anemia (1) and thus, one could rightly assume that its role in bulking cycles is very limited. One novel use for Winstrol in any cycle (perhaps even bulking) would be to use it at a very limited dose, in order to lower SHBG. (2) One of the properties of Winstrol is its profound ability to lower SHBG much more than other steroids. A dose of .2mg/kg lowered SHBG significantly, which would in turn, raise the amount of free testosterone circulating in the body. As with 99% of steroids, however, its important to note that suppression of your natural hormonal levels will occur (though perhaps not to the extent that it will with many other steroids).(10) As with running virtually any compound, testosterone supplementation (i.e. running test in a cycle containing Winstrol) is warranted to avoid possible sexual dysfunction.

Winstrol & Stanozolol Side Effects

Adding it to a heavy bulking cycle could be problematic, as Stanozolol is a 17aa compound, meaning that its been altered to endure the first pass through your liver without being destroyed. This makes it an orally active compound; so many people choose to take the pills which are available from both legitimate pharmaceutical companies as well as Underground Labs. Unfortunately, since it is 17aa, it is also liver toxic& in fact; Stanozolol has one of the worst hepatoxicity (mg for mg) of any steroid.

This is the reason its addition to a bulking cycle could be problematic; generally a bulking cycle will be very heavy, dosage wise as well as toxicity-wise. It also has undesirable results on Cholesterol, and a mere 6mgs/day of Stanozolol can lower HDL by 33% and raise LDL by 29% (3). Cardiac Hypertrophy, even at lower doses could be a concern with Winstrol as well (4) Thus, many people limit their intake of Stanozolol to precontest or Summer-cutting types of cycles. Its generally accepted that due to the toxicity issues of Stanozolol, its use should be limited to 6 weeks& as with anything though, many people have run it for up to 12 weeks with no problems.

Winstrol & Stanozolol Use Effects

I ran Winstrol for about 3 months (12 weeks) at a dose of 100mgs Every Other Day (along with Test prop at 125mgs, every other day) and I suffered no ill-effects. My joints felt fine, and I can say that the only thing which was undesirable about that cycle was the injection pain. Generally, people report a "dry" and less lubricated feeling in their joints when on this drug (fluid retention is nil with Stanozolol), and also a "dry" overall look as regards contest prep. This could be due to a sort of "reverse-osmotic" effect...of course this is speculation, but people do look "dryer" on Winnie, and some even look dryer in the site they inject (more on this later). There are many conflicting reports on tendon strength and Stanozolol, even in medical journals. Some reports state that it weakens tendons, others that it strengthens them (and some speculation on the internet among many "gurus" is that it strengthens them unevenly, leading to possible injury). For this reason, it may be best for athletes in explosive or high-impact sports to stay away from this drug. It has certainly been shown to be beneficial in some bone ailments induced by glucocorticoid induced stress (5) as well as having collagen producing properties (11), but with all of the anecdotal problems athletes have suffered with their joints while on Stanozolol, I simply can not recommend it with confidence to strength/speed athletes. I can say that personally, it was an effective compound for me and did not cause joint duress, but I can do without the discomfort of the shots, and have found other DHT based compounds to be far more effective (Masteron springs to mind).

As previously stated, this compound is unique, as it is available in both an oral form as well as an injectable form. Both forms contain the exact same compound, but injecting this compound (and yes, you can drink the injectable version, and no you shouldn't) is superior to ingesting it orally in terms of nitrogen retention (6), and thus one would also imagine, for overall anabolism. Injecting it also has the advantage of avoiding the "first pass" through your liver, and thus places your liver under less stress.

Stanozolol (Winstrol) and Women

Stanozolol is also one of the few compounds that women can take safely, as its anabolic:androgenic ratio is quite skewed towards anabolism. Its generally accepted that women can tolerate around 5-10mgs a day of this compound. Men, on the other hand can dose themselves in the .5-1.5mg/kg range. I find 100mgs injected every other Day to be sufficient, but of course, even with the injectable form, every day dosing is optimal. I tend to favor DHT based compounds, and have enjoyed great success with a Winstrol/Masteron/Testosterone cycle, but I suspect that replacing the Masteron in that cycle with Trenbolone would prove more beneficial for most bodybuilders seeking to get ripped.

Although the anabolic ratio of this product is very high as compared to its androgenic actions, not many people report huge weight gains off of Stanozolol. Also, interestingly, it has a relatively weak AR binding ability (7), which is quite unusual for a "cutting" steroid. Many of the effects of this drug, as relates to building muscle, are probably from its very high protein synthesizing ability (6) (8). In addition, since this compound is derived from DHT, it tends to promote a very nice, "quality" look to the users muscles, with little or no water retention. Winstrol does not aromatize at any rate and has even been speculated to have anti-progestenic properties (in at least some cases, where it may "block" that receptor) (9). If one were to run ancillary compounds with Stanozolol, perhaps Tamoxifen would be appropriate for its beneficial effects on blood lipids, but an anti-estrogen (in its classic sense) would be unwarranted; proper post cycle therapy is still needed, though.

Winstrol Stacking

In order to maximize our anabolic steroid use we must have a plan and part of the plan should revolve around the stacking itself. The individual does not want to arbitrarily throw a bunch of steroids together, that would defeat the purpose and one of the primary purposes is effectiveness as well as efficiency. With that in mind when we supplement with the powerful DHT steroid Stanozolol we need to understand how best to dose it, where to place it in the cycle and what to stack it with; consider this your Winstrol Stacking 101.

Winstrol Stacking for Growth:

Winstrol stacking during your off-season period of growth will generally prove to be useless to most men. As an addition to an off-season cycle it can create a synergetic effect with other steroids, similar to the way Proviron does but it will do very little in-terms of directly promoting growth. There is however an exception and it is with the female steroid user. Off-season Winstrol stacking can be useful to the female athlete as the Stanozolol hormone is often well-tolerated by females and will provide a bit of a bump in tissue promotion. Many females may find a cycle of Winstrol and Primobolan Depot to be useful during their off-season period of growth and if they couple this with human growth hormone then they will really have a worthwhile venture. A solid off-season Winstrol stacking plan for the hardcore female athlete might look something like this:

Week 1-14 HGH 2iu every day
Week 5-8 Primobolan Depot 100mg per week (50mg 2x per wk)
Week 8-12 Winstrol 10mg every day
Winstrol Stacking for Cutting:
Winstrol stacking during the dieting or cutting phase will prove to be far more useful to the dieting athlete; in this instance were referring to competitive bodybuilders and gym rats looking for a well-toned physique of a bodybuilding nature; the gym rat is the most common Winstrol stacking individual. We have broken down two separate Winstrol stacking examples, one of the newbie (first time user) and one for the advanced hardcore:

Newbie Winstrol Stacking:


Week 1-12 Testosterone 500mg per week
Week 1-8 Equipoise 400mg per week
Week 7-12 Winstrol 50mg every day

Hardcore Winstrol Stacking:


Week 1-8 Equipoise 200mg every other day
Week 9-16 Trenbolone 100mg every other day
Week 9-15 Winstrol 50mg every day
Week 1-16 Testosterone 200mg every other day
Week 1-16 HGH 4iu every day
Week 1-16 Arimidex 0.5mg every other day

Winstrol Stacking for Athletic Performance:

For the majority of athletes who supplement with the Stanozolol hormone they are not doing so for a visual affect but rather one that is functional. In this case their cycles will generally be of a milder nature and it is not uncommon for Stanozolol to be the only hormone used; common plans are often 50mg every other day to every day depending on the athlete. However, such use will suppress natural testosterone production to a degree and for this reason many athletes are urged to supplement with some form of exogenous testosterone. As many athletes are worried about testing they may find Testosterone-suspension at a dose of 25mg-50mg every day to suffice along with their Winstrol. Yes, you can still fail a test but the detection time of Testosterone-Suspension and Oral Winstrol tablets is rather short:

Detection Times:

Testosterone-Suspension: approximately 3 days
Oral Winstrol: 3 weeks
 
I know a lot of guys on here hate Winnie. I think Presser and I live by winnie. Personally I love it, 75mg ed is the highest I ever go but maybe that's why my sides are so minimal. I've been on winnie for 3 weeks now on 50mg ed and bumping up to 75mg now.

My opinion on winnie is that you have to stack it with other hardening drugs. I love winnie/var, winnie/proviron, winnie/masteron, winnie/tren, winnie/var/tren, and winnie/proviron/tren which i'm on now.

i know a lot of guys new to gear think cut stack: test/winnie but I've never had any success with just one dry compound.

Another tip from experience; as with ANY and EVERY drug used to diet with like winnie, var, tren, primo, halo, proviron, masteron, to name a few, you better be lean already. It isn't a magic pill to burn off fat..........this shit just doesn't work that way.
 
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I know a lot of guys on here hate Winnie. I think Presser and I live by winnie. Personally I love it, 75mg ed is the highest I ever go but maybe that's why my sides are so minimal. I've been on winnie for 3 weeks now on 50mg ed and bumping up to 75mg now.

My opinion on winnie is that you have to stack it with other hardening drugs. I love winnie/var, winnie/proviron, winnie/masteron, winnie/tren, winnie/var/tren, and winnie/proviron/tren which i'm on now.

i know a lot of guys new to gear think cut stack: test/winnie but I've never had any success with just one dry compound.

200mg eod Propionate
100mg eod Tren Ace
50mg ed Winstrol
60mcgs daily IGF

best shit I've ever done! changed my body in a weeks time and kept changing , amazing cycle right there i listed above! AMAZING AMAZING!!! THATS 2 AMAZINGS! LOL,
 
I wish I should have picked up some prop for this blast. Mine is similar except using sustanon, eq 750mg week, and 25mg proviron.
 
I wish I should have picked up some prop for this blast. Mine is similar except using sustanon, eq 750mg week, and 25mg proviron.

lmao! Huh? Mine is similar, its just a totally different kind of similar lmao. Theres not one steroid the same in either of our listed cycles, lol,
 
lmao! Huh? Mine is similar, its just a totally different kind of similar lmao. Theres not one steroid the same in either of our listed cycles, lol,

winnie, igf and tren are the same lol............forgot to add that.
 
winnie, igf and tren are the same lol............forgot to add that.

lol, yeah i seen that in ur first post you listed your cycle in, i was just being a duesch bag, I'm not always as funny as I think I am lmao, :rolleyes:
 
Just an added note. The reason Winstrol "dries" a physique is related to it's ability to increase C1 inhibitor. This protein inhibits serpin proteases. One protein acted upon by the serpins is plasma kallikrein, which when activated leads to vasodilation and extracellular fluid. Somehow this little tidbit escapes most of the AAS board winstrol profiles. suprisingly because Winstrol is used to treat Hereditary angion edema, which takes advantage of this property of winstrol. So, in a way it does "dry" in that it prvents normal distributions of extra and intra-cellular fluid.
 
Just an added note. The reason Winstrol "dries" a physique is related to it's ability to increase C1 inhibitor. This protein inhibits serpin proteases. One protein acted upon by the serpins is plasma kallikrein, which when activated leads to vasodilation and extracellular fluid. Somehow this little tidbit escapes most of the AAS board winstrol profiles. suprisingly because Winstrol is used to treat Hereditary angion edema, which takes advantage of this property of winstrol. So, in a way it does "dry" in that it prvents normal distributions of extra and intra-cellular fluid.

you took the words right out of my mouth, honestly that was on the tip of my tongue! lol, ok no it wasn't!! lol,
 
lol, yeah i seen that in ur first post you listed your cycle in, i was just being a duesch bag, I'm not always as funny as I think I am lmao, :rolleyes:

I should see your shit coming a mile away. It's always welcomed bro.

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you took the words right out of my mouth, honestly that was on the tip of my tongue! lol, ok no it wasn't!! lol,

I was trying to type what exactly he posted but my internet went down for a bit haha
 
I know a lot of guys on here hate Winnie. I think Presser and I live by winnie. Personally I love it, 75mg ed is the highest I ever go but maybe that's why my sides are so minimal. I've been on winnie for 3 weeks now on 50mg ed and bumping up to 75mg now.

My opinion on winnie is that you have to stack it with other hardening drugs. I love winnie/var, winnie/proviron, winnie/masteron, winnie/tren, winnie/var/tren, and winnie/proviron/tren which i'm on now.

i know a lot of guys new to gear think cut stack: test/winnie but I've never had any success with just one dry compound.

Another tip from experience; as with ANY and EVERY drug used to diet with like winnie, var, tren, primo, halo, proviron, masteron, to name a few, you better be lean already. It isn't a magic pill to burn off fat..........this shit just doesn't work that way.


Yup, after my injury that I received directly from the win, I always try to advise people to not take it
 
When I was in my 20s and early 30s I could use it without issue but now the Chinese stanozol kills my joints big time. If I was going to chance it again I would spend the extra on pharma grade.
 
When I was in my 20s and early 30s I could use it without issue but now the Chinese stanozol kills my joints big time. If I was going to chance it again I would spend the extra on pharma grade.

Only pharma grade i've ever seen were the Sanofi ones in 2mg forms. I couldn't imagine how good pharma grade would be!
 
agreed, and i would only use winny in a stacked cycle with prop and tren or something,
 
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