Philsulina Heath never trained a day natural in his life. Same with Ramy. Ramy actually started bb-ing in 2003, but quit after some sort of accident. Not really sure what to think about Ramy yet. To me he looks like Markus Ruhl 2.0. Even when his muscle matures when he's 32/33/34, I'm not sure if he'll have a pleasing physique. Even Ronnie had aesthetics to him to some degree. Ramy is just a blob.