Bulking up w equipose

[blacktail]

The dbol is March blue harts and I'm told that they are very strong. I will play it as it goes and see how I react to them.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

test , deca, dbol is a classic bulk cycle, good choice brother! I've ran it a dozen times or more, always have deca and dbol on hand.

only thing I would change is your D-bol protocol. in order to maintain the good intercellular water and glycogen gains you get from D-bol, and not piss them all away when you come off, is to run it longer with a taper method, starting with a higher dose and going lower over time.
eg.,
D-bol 40mg weeks 1-4
D-bol 30mg weeks 5-6
D-bol 20mg weeks 7-10


YES that is 10 weeks of D-bol and lots of guys will suggest this is too long.. it might be too long if you blasted 50-100mg a day for 10 weeks but thats not what we are doing. we are dropping the dose down to a very low and non toxic dose , that way we can acclimate to the gains without putting to much stress on the liver.

everyone talks about D-bol sucks and they lose all their gains .. thats cause they only run it for 4 weeks , your body does not have any reason to hold onto those gains after just 4 weeks ,, you have to force your body to acclimate to those gains over a period of at least 10 weeks , you'll get much more tissue growth and keepable gains ,, the water weight you get from the d-bol will help drive amino acids and nutrients into muscle cells . we don't want to piss that all away after just 4 or 5 weeks

The way I always did it, dbol got things going and test and deca kicked in.
That's all she write never lost a pound after 4 weeks keep going.
Got me the nitrogen retention deca provides is what is necessary to gain and hold muscle!

These blue hearts are strong!!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

As for as eq goes I bulk with it.
It is a trade off to deca in stack with less water!!!

The hunger thing I believe is a hoax!!!!

It us given to sick horses and other animals with low red blood!!

Low red blood kills appetite.
This hoax came from this trate with low red blood and trauma to animal giving treatment!!!

My input!!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

Dbol 20mg a day for 5 weeks
Test sust 500mg a week 1-15
Deca 300mg a week 1-12

This should give me 20 or more pounds. Keeping at lest 15.
Done a lot of reading and this seems to be the most liked mass/bulk cycle. Fist run with dbol so really looking forward to this!
Thanks Muscle mechanic and MECCA

U can use more dbol than that!!!
I am both a fan of water at all.
I may dose test, tren, mast, primo high but that is about it these days!!!

Dbol if good the water comes after 30mg!!

Orals today all u use is 20 mg dbol, 10-20mg superdrol, epistane 20mg if u can find!!!
But mostly Anavar, halo, or proviron!!!
Not really anything else and I hate 19nors except for tren ace.
This right here is it....

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[Muscle mechanic]

HGH is the real deal especially when combined with insulin . actually Dave Palumbo was just asked this question, if you have all the AAS you wanted but could only choose between HGH/Inuslin or Tren which one would you take, and Dave said HGH and insulin .
the key is you have to run it long term stacked with AAS over a period of months and months (I'm talking 24+ months). Heres why it adds quality mass over time ,, our muscles have dormant satellite cells, so instead of just making your current muscle cells bigger, HGH use can activate these satellite cells and they eventually grow into full size new muscle cells (again this takes time). Add insulin to this and you greatly increase your IGF1 and you have even more growth potential , besides the fact that Insulin can shuttle glycogen and amino acids into muscle cells and thus accelerate growth.

Another thing about HGH/insulin use is that its a non Myostatin regulated growth factor .. When you take for example 1000mg of Testosterone, after a period of about 8 weeks your body will up-regulate Myostatin (this is to keep the body in homeostasis and to keep it from unnecessary muscle growth.. so Test will only take you so far and then growth stops all together ) , but HGH, IGF, and insulin do not cause this up-regulation . so you can actually run them for years without getting de-sensitized and having Mysotatin increase (unlike AAS where your body de-sensitizes after about 8 weeks).


As for AAS use and bulking . Its best to run powerful anabolics stacked with things that are highly estrogenic and androgenic.
You'll see guys run Test, Tren, and Masteron .. your not going to bulk off of this. If your going to run for example Tren (which is dry and does not convert to estrogen), then you need to have something very 'wet' and estrogenic along with it to help with growth .. like Tren + Ment , or Tren + Dbol or Anadrol .. also you can't over do it with your AI and expect a lot of bulk and mass. Ment will convert to estrogen a ton, so when you stack that with the Tren now you've taken a powerful powerful anabolic and given it way more growth potential by throwing in something that heavily aromatizes (same with Dbol)..

Also adding in a Class 2 steroid , ie., steroids that work outside and independent of the androgen receptor, can aide in growth as it works differently then testosterone (which works on the directly on the AR).. Dbol for example helps you grow by ways outside of having to bind to the Androgen receptor , it will help partition nutrients, like carbohydrates, and will fill your muscle cells up with glycogen and water (which will make you bigger fuller and stronger).. Using these class 2 compounds stacked with strong anabolics and again estrogen can definitely help you with a successful bulk.

thats why EQ is not the best bulker , its very clean and doesn't convert heavily to estrogen or dHT ,. its more of a slow and steady anabolic that can aide in a cycle, but definitely won't blow you up like a proper bulk stack will do

hope that helps

I grow with test 700 mast prop 75 eod
Primo e 100 everyday
Hgh 5iu
T3/t4 50mcg of each

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[jimmy14]

HGH is the real deal especially when combined with insulin . actually Dave Palumbo was just asked this question, if you have all the AAS you wanted but could only choose between HGH/Inuslin or Tren which one would you take, and Dave said HGH and insulin .
the key is you have to run it long term stacked with AAS over a period of months and months (I'm talking 24+ months). Heres why it adds quality mass over time ,, our muscles have dormant satellite cells, so instead of just making your current muscle cells bigger, HGH use can activate these satellite cells and they eventually grow into full size new muscle cells (again this takes time). Add insulin to this and you greatly increase your IGF1 and you have even more growth potential , besides the fact that Insulin can shuttle glycogen and amino acids into muscle cells and thus accelerate growth.

Another thing about HGH/insulin use is that its a non Myostatin regulated growth factor .. When you take for example 1000mg of Testosterone, after a period of about 8 weeks your body will up-regulate Myostatin (this is to keep the body in homeostasis and to keep it from unnecessary muscle growth.. so Test will only take you so far and then growth stops all together ) , but HGH, IGF, and insulin do not cause this up-regulation . so you can actually run them for years without getting de-sensitized and having Mysotatin increase (unlike AAS where your body de-sensitizes after about 8 weeks).


As for AAS use and bulking . Its best to run powerful anabolics stacked with things that are highly estrogenic and androgenic.
You'll see guys run Test, Tren, and Masteron .. your not going to bulk off of this. If your going to run for example Tren (which is dry and does not convert to estrogen), then you need to have something very 'wet' and estrogenic along with it to help with growth .. like Tren + Ment , or Tren + Dbol or Anadrol .. also you can't over do it with your AI and expect a lot of bulk and mass. Ment will convert to estrogen a ton, so when you stack that with the Tren now you've taken a powerful powerful anabolic and given it way more growth potential by throwing in something that heavily aromatizes (same with Dbol)..

Also adding in a Class 2 steroid , ie., steroids that work outside and independent of the androgen receptor, can aide in growth as it works differently then testosterone (which works on the directly on the AR).. Dbol for example helps you grow by ways outside of having to bind to the Androgen receptor , it will help partition nutrients, like carbohydrates, and will fill your muscle cells up with glycogen and water (which will make you bigger fuller and stronger).. Using these class 2 compounds stacked with strong anabolics and again estrogen can definitely help you with a successful bulk.

thats why EQ is not the best bulker , its very clean and doesn't convert heavily to estrogen or dHT ,. its more of a slow and steady anabolic that can aide in a cycle, but definitely won't blow you up like a proper bulk stack will do

hope that helps

Good info not to get off track but I'm starting my hgh soon black tops now I've read and people told me only use igf lr3 and insulin if your dose will be 8iu or higher a day mingling to be running 5iu a day so what's you opinion igf and slin is not necessary at 5iu a day? I was thinking about getting the igf just in case I needed just like I get a bunch of pct and AI before I run my cycle. Any feed back is much appreciated. Sorry coop in advance for going off your topic

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[Muscle mechanic]

Good info not to get off track but I'm starting my hgh soon black tops now I've read and people told me only use igf lr3 and insulin if your dose will be 8iu or higher a day mingling to be running 5iu a day so what's you opinion igf and slin is not necessary at 5iu a day? I was thinking about getting the igf just in case I needed just like I get a bunch of pct and AI before I run my cycle. Any feed back is much appreciated. Sorry coop in advance for going off your topic

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I will give my answer!!
5iu hgh all u NEED is t3/t4.
U don't need insulin at all.
That's a whole other thing.
I never did and never will!!!

After 3iu of hgh your thyroid will be suppressed.
Once that starts u will fight staying awake especially after pinning hgh pre workout after workout u will eat and struggle to keep eyes open and need a nap and bad!!

I went thru it myself and also ademia in hands from low hypo thyroid from hgh 5 iu a day.

But each person responds different to hgh and what dose works!!

Start at 3iu go up 1iu every month if sides are tolerated.

Hgh does have sides figure out your threshold before adding anything else!!!

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[gearheaded]

Good info not to get off track but I'm starting my hgh soon black tops now I've read and people told me only use igf lr3 and insulin if your dose will be 8iu or higher a day mingling to be running 5iu a day so what's you opinion igf and slin is not necessary at 5iu a day? I was thinking about getting the igf just in case I needed just like I get a bunch of pct and AI before I run my cycle. Any feed back is much appreciated. Sorry coop in advance for going off your topic

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are you going to split your HGH dose up through out the day or take it all at once ?

the use of insulin is really not dependent on the dose of HGH, its dependent on your bodies glucose metabolism. If HGH use, no matter the dose, is causing you to run high blood sugar, then insulin will help. Of course insulin can help with much more then just that (depends on your goal and what your doing , if your wanting to grow and use GH and insulin together for massive spikes in IGF levels and to force glycogen and amino acids into muscle cells then larger dosages of insulin timed correctly is ideal ... if your just wanting to manage blood sugar and get some basic benefits of insulin while on GH then small micro doses during the day is the way to go).
I'm guessing you plan to run the HGH for 6+ months ?

as for the IGF Lr3 , you don't have to run that at all with GH , sure it can help lower blood sugar and be beneficial for growth , but its not necessary. If you have the financial means then go ahead and run it

 

[Coop!]

THANKS gearheaded ! I'm really impressed with ur info n knowledge on the questions I ask n thanks for the help it's greatly appreciated n more appreciated bc ur so helpful! I do have another question if u can help me with that , I haven't done a lot of orals I've tried a couple but I didn't do well with them . They seem to not work n caused a little discomfort feeling in my prostate or bladder not sure which one it was but anyways , where do I get legit orals ? Thanks again dude seriously!

 

[jimmy14]

I will give my answer!!
5iu hgh all u NEED is t3/t4.
U don't need insulin at all.
That's a whole other thing.
I never did and never will!!!

After 3iu of hgh your thyroid will be suppressed.
Once that starts u will fight staying awake especially after pinning hgh pre workout after workout u will eat and struggle to keep eyes open and need a nap and bad!!

I went thru it myself and also ademia in hands from low hypo thyroid from hgh 5 iu a day.

But each person responds different to hgh and what dose works!!

Start at 3iu go up 1iu every month if sides are tolerated.

Hgh does have sides figure out your threshold before adding anything else!!!

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Yes I heard same thing if u get really tired it's from thyroid and I have bunch of pharma t3 I try to only use pharma grade AI, PCT. Now is there a difference if I take t4 cause I read it converts to t3 so does it matter which one I take?

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[jimmy14]

are you going to split your HGH dose up through out the day or take it all at once ?

the use of insulin is really not dependent on the dose of HGH, its dependent on your bodies glucose metabolism. If HGH use, no matter the dose, is causing you to run high blood sugar, then insulin will help. Of course insulin can help with much more then just that (depends on your goal and what your doing , if your wanting to grow and use GH and insulin together for massive spikes in IGF levels and to force glycogen and amino acids into muscle cells then larger dosages of insulin timed correctly is ideal ... if your just wanting to manage blood sugar and get some basic benefits of insulin while on GH then small micro doses during the day is the way to go).
I'm guessing you plan to run the HGH for 6+ months ?

as for the IGF Lr3 , you don't have to run that at all with GH , sure it can help lower blood sugar and be beneficial for growth , but its not necessary. If you have the financial means then go ahead and run it

Yes going to spilt doses am before work and pm before bed going to start 1iu a day for a week and gradually go up on the dose till I hit 5iu. Now the igf lr3 my buddy said it's faked a lot and the real stuff is expense like 150$ for 1 mg I've seen sources sell from 50$ -200$ so I'm still researching it I prob will do it after run hgh for awhile and def minimum 6 months wanted to do a year of running it. At the 6 month mark going to take of for 1 month to let my receptors regenerate another thing I heard to do in learning as I go and try to gain as much knowledge as I can before I start I seriously learn Sumin new everyday. Experience is the best teacher. I got enough right now prob 8 months worth. Black top 15iu

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[jimmy14]

Yes going to spilt doses am before work and pm before bed going to start 1iu a day for a week and gradually go up on the dose till I hit 5iu. Now the igf lr3 my buddy said it's faked a lot and the real stuff is expense like 150$ for 1 mg I've seen sources sell from 50$ -200$ so I'm still researching it I prob will do it after run hgh for awhile and def minimum 6 months wanted to do a year of running it. At the 6 month mark going to take of for 1 month to let my receptors regenerate another thing I heard to do in learning as I go and try to gain as much knowledge as I can before I start I seriously learn Sumin new everyday. Experience is the best teacher. I got enough right now prob 8 months worth. Black top 15iu

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Sorry meant taking hgh am before workout then go to work lol

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[Muscle mechanic]

Yes I heard same thing if u get really tired it's from thyroid and I have bunch of pharma t3 I try to only use pharma grade AI, PCT. Now is there a difference if I take t4 cause I read it converts to t3 so does it matter which one I take?

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T4 better with hgh so said.
Hgh converts more t4 into t3!!
I don't know dosage needed.
I only had t3/t4 mix 50mcg of each
That right there worked for me!!
But I have straight t4 coming my way!!!

What i noticed most with hgh is I am able to use way way less bulking gear.

All gear works way way better.

But hgh is slow steady thing.
I time it empty stomach no food carbs or sugar 1 hour before 1 hour after.

At 5iu I use 2.5iu in morning right away with t3/t4
Work out with only protien low carb and water I consume right before gym about 45minutes after hgh then Work out then eat.

Other 2.5iu I use right at knock off of work drive home and it's time for supper!!!

Or if I workout later I still do morning dose always eat 1hour after
And use same way before workout if done later my 2nd dose.

I was good at 3iu then 4iu.
I added bulking gear went to 6iu back peddled to 4iu and switched sust eq dbol
To less sust prop and primo and mast prop!!!
My response to gear was totally different and water came easier!!!
Carpal tunnel at night so bad would have to get up at 3am walk around to clear edema from hands!!!
The Carpal tunnel itself felt like a rod was inside pain bad!!!!
I am prong to it.
And t3/t4 did wonders for that too!!
And tiredness as well!!!
I am at 5iu now but important to let body adjust slowly!!!
The sleepy sides and carpal tunnel with edema almost made me stop.
Instead I researched and talked to guys who been there!!!
Hypo or low thyroid will cause tiredness and edema in hands and feet!!! With carpal tunnel!!!
Makes me wonder if it was hgh or if it is or thyroid.
Studies show these sides are from thyroid not adjusting and not overgrowing tendons like people think.
If that were case my golfer elbow would have not occured!!!

Just saying.
Sorry for long responds but I like to explain
MY EXPERIENCE AND NOT ONLY WHAT I READ!!!

But really u should start a thread on this we bombing this guys thread

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[yellow snow]

where do I get legit orals ?

Read the rules genius