cycle and stack question for newbie

[Bishop]

I am preparing to start a cycle hopefully in the next month or so, however with all the research and opinions out there I want to ask about the cycle I am thinking about purchasing prior to spending the money, this way I not only get the advice I need but do this correctly the first time around so that I am not wasting funds and am able to meet my goals all at the same time.
So here are my thoughts so far:
This will be an 8 week cycle, and I will be using:

Dinabol 20 mg a day week 1-6
Systanon 500 mg 1X a week, weeks 1-8
Deca durabolin 600mg 1X a week, weeks 1-8
and finally IGF-1 lr3 80mcg everyday after workout , weeks 1-8

For PCT I am looking at nolvadex 50mg everyday starting a week after last injection and run for 2 weeks.
Is there anything that I should take during the cycle as well?

Thank you all in advance for any help in this and I look forward to hearing your advice.

 

[Presser]

welcome to MC

the combination is a good combo, but the duration and dosages are not so great. If your sustanon is a traditional blend of 4 testosterones , 2 short 2 long, then its best taken every other day for the first 3-4 weeks, then you can back down , and 8 weeks is very short run of deca, but the dosage is fine. everything else looks ok. although the igf is a high dosages but not harmful, so its ok brutha, not great layout but nothing that will hurt ya

 

[Bishop]

Presser,
Thanks for the response, should I bump it up to a 12 week cycle then or should I consider a different stack? if so would you be able to recommend a better alternative, I have not ordered anything other than the IGF-1 lr3 and thought after reading alot of the forums it would be wise to get some advice before jumping in.

 

[trekrider215]

Ok here goes.

I would go with a 12-15 week cycle. Mainly because of the Deca. Deca takes a looong time to get going. You also want to run your Sustanon for 2 weeks after your last shot of Deca. The dosages aren't THAT bad, however your sutanon (testosterone) should be run higher than deca. Theres a very good chance that with your current dosages you could lose your sex drive. I actually completely lost my sex drive on 600mg's of Deca and 750mg's of Test E before. It sucked. Technically people say test should be double that of Deca. I tend to agree. Dbol should increase sex drive quite a bit at the beginning, however you obviously won't be running it the entire cyle. I would consider keeping the sust where its at and possibly lowering the deca to like 400.

Also I would pin Sustanon 250 EOD. At the very least 2 times a week. One time a week isn't acceptable. Yes, Deca can be pinned once a week but if you're going to pin the Sust EOD or E3D you might as well just divide your deca dose and pin it in the same syringe. It's like taking a bunch of smaller deca shots with your sust instead of one big one at the end of the week. It's not necessary but hey why not.

Also 20mg's of Dianabol is pretty low. Even if it's dosed perfectly I don't think it's necessarily going to be that great. I would consider going to 30-40mg's. You'll be fine. Because of the fast half life you can always back off the dbol a bit if you need to. I started my second cycle with some really good dbol but 20mg's just wasn't enough. I slowly bumped it to 30-40 and finished the last week at like 50 and it was so damn awesome. I'll never forget that shit.

What type of Aromtase inhibitor will you be using? I don't see it mentioned. With that cycle I highly recommend one. I've used both Arimidex and Aromasin and I personally think Aromasin is the best simply because it has the advantage of no rebound. 12.5mg's of pharma grade Aromasin EOD should be perfect. Ultimately the best thing to do is to get bloodwork half way through or even sooner just to see where your estrogen is at. This will let you know whether you need to use a little bit more Aromasin, or a little bit less.

IGF1-LR3 is awesome stuff. If you can afford it then sure 80mcg should be fine. I started with around 40-50mcg a day first thing in the morning and I really enjoyed it.

I would do at least 4 weeks PCT. You should run Clomid + Nolva + Aromasin for 4 weeks. You want to start your PCT 18 days after your last injection of Sus. I don't PCT anymore, but when I did I preferred something like this:

Day 1: 300mg of Clomid + 40mg of Nolva + 12.5 EOD-E3D of Armasin
Day 2-7: 100mg of Clomid + 20mg of Nolva + 12.5 EOD- E3D of Aromasin
Days 8-28: 50mg of Clomid + 20mg of Nolva + 12.5 EOD- E3D of Aromasin

Supposedly using Nolvadex and Arimdex or letro makes them all less effective, however Aromasin doesn't effect anything with the use of SERMS like Nolva/Clomid and can help increase natural Testosterone.

Also, I know less about HCG because I've never personally used it but I think running like 500ius E3D throughout the entire cycle and then STOPPING before PCT can help prevent you from getting shutdown. Supposedly this is a very good method. Possibly something to look into.

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[Masher59]

As stated great cycle but layout needs tweaked. I would do at minimum 12 weeks brother that deca is going to take some time to really get to cranking. Basically with EOD on the sustanon you are front loading it I would recommend the same with the deca but others may not because you could run into deca dick. I take it your deca is 300 mg so for the first 2 or 3 weeks pin it with the sus eod then back them both down to Monday and thursday 250 sus 300 Deca for the duration of the cycle. I did this on my last cycle but at a little higher dosages and it worked phenomenal. I don't know how many cycles you have under your belt but when you come off of the Deca and sus I would run a 4 week tren a test p 50/50 to 100/100 and lean out all those great gains you made. Best of luck hope we helped you out a bit.

 

[Bishop]

I want to take a min and thank you guys for replying to my post, I honestly don't have any full cycles under my belt, hence the reason for the questions, it seems i have a little more research to do but the information I gained here helped me out quiet a bit. Thanks again

 

[Dean Destructo]

You could switch from Deca to NPP. If you want to do short cycles then do short esters.

 

[Bishop]

Thank you,
I will look into that for sure are there any recommendations for the sus 250

 

[trekrider215]

Thank you,
I will look into that for sure are there any recommendations for the sus 250

www.pct-shop.com currently has a sale going on for pharma grade sustanon 250. Omnadren by pharmaswiss only 5.50 an amp. best deal you will find. that's my recommendation.

 

[The Dude]

What I would do is pretty much the same as these guys... but I would do 16 weeks. I would switch to NPP and I would lower those doses. With that combo digestion and recovery are going to be your limiting factors. Depending on how good you are with nutrition and such I would consider some help from a nutrition person. You will ALWAYS look better with some one else doing your diet. It's just a fact I have seen over and over after more than 25 years in this game. You'll have to use Sustanon 3 times a wek, but you don't need more than maybe 400mg (really 300mg) a week total. I'd do 100mg of NPP EOD and 50mcg of IGF daily. You will grow like a freak if your diet is in order. Otherwise your just wasting your money. Keep your weights reasonable. Muscle grow alot faster than tendons. Also I would throw in a SARM with IGF in your PCT. you will retain substantially more muscle.

 

[Dean Destructo]

Sust and IGF you will grow like a freak beast.

 

[Mountain_Man]

Use cyp or enthanate test for first cycle not Sust that is my advice

 

[Iron Game]

My .02 you said you don't have any full cycles under your belt?? Assuming you mean you have no cycles. I would start off with test e or test c as Mountain Man mentioned for a minimum of 12 weeks at 250-400 mg / week with IGF-1 LR3 from MC.
First cycle with proper nutrition you will grow like a weed.

 

[Iron Game]

Of course this is all assuming your over 23 yrs old and have trained hard and long enough to have reached a point where your growth has halted.

 

[Bishop]

First and foremost I want to thank everyone for the responses to my question, the responses were very informative. After reading and doing some more research I believe that I still need a little more prep before I start. This forum holds a wealth of information and experience which I not only value but appreciate as well. I still have BF to loose as well as figure out my nutrition since I am in Afghanistan I don't have the freedom I would like to prep and prepare meals so that I am on point. Maybe in a couple more months I will be ready to do this but for now research and exercise are my goals along with dropping my BF.

 

[The Dude]

First and foremost I want to thank everyone for the responses to my question, the responses were very informative. After reading and doing some more research I believe that I still need a little more prep before I start. This forum holds a wealth of information and experience which I not only value but appreciate as well. I still have BF to loose as well as figure out my nutrition since I am in Afghanistan I don't have the freedom I would like to prep and prepare meals so that I am on point. Maybe in a couple more months I will be ready to do this but for now research and exercise are my goals along with dropping my BF.

Good choice. Save it as something to celebrate getting out of that hell hole. Be safe man.

 

[Iron Game]

That make a lot of sense. Nutrition can make or break even the best cycle.
Safe returns!