First Cycle (winstrol + equipoise)

[madchem]

What’s up Guys?

Well this is my first Cycle. I'm 22 and been working out for about 7 years on and off. This last year has been very serious.
I'm 5 feet 8inch.
187lbs
About 11-13% body fat.
(I never took the body fat test but that is my estimate, comparing to people that have taken it).

I have 50ml of Equipoise 50mg/ml (made by Ayerst) cost 400$can
and 30ml of Winstrol-V 50mg/ml (made by Upjohn) cost 300$can

The gear was kind of expensive but I don't care cause the source
is very very good and trustworthy.

Anyways I took my first shot's yesterday night :
2cc of winstrol (with a 1" 25gauge pin)
(one in each delt). I did those my self with my guy supervising. It went very well considering I hate needles.
2cc Equipoise in my right glute(with a 1 1/2" 22gauge pin).
I had my guy do that for me cauz
I had lots of trouble reaching the right spot.
No real pain or soreness today. Only thing is my delts feel tight, like I worked them out.

I'm gona do the same EOD (obviously in different areas)
100mgwinstrol and 100mg Equipoise.

I'm also taking vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid) because I am prone to acne on my back. I hope it will help!!!

I have a topical solution of Erythromycin witch I use on my back
(also for acne)

and finally

I'm taking glucosamine because I heard winstrol can be really ruff on the joints.

Imp not looking to gain 30lbs because I know that’s not going to happen and that’s not what I want.
What I want is to loose 10lbs of fat and replace it with muscle and maybe 5lbs .
I also want hard muscles and to see some veins on my arms.

Anyways,
that’s that. If anyone has anything to add or suggest, please
feel free.


I will keep you guys posted on my progress.



Also I just wana thank all you guys with all your informative posts
I have learned a lot in the past 2 months

 

[dedprez*]

looks like u have done your homework!!...good luck!!

 

[NAPALM1]

I would use the winnie at 50mg ED. Winstrol has a half life of 12 hours, so when using EOD, there is an entire day you have none in your system! Also, if you hate needles, and don't want to jack yourself ED, drink the winnie! Tabs and depot have an identical chemical makeup and you can drink winnie, and it will still be effective. Although I prefer to inj it. I would have added a test, but it looks like it is to late for that now. You should be taking Milk thistle and/or Artichoke to protect your liver also. Good luck, later

 

[BStrongBwell*]

I agree w/Napalm on the ED, and IMO even if you added test now it wouldn't be too late.  The test would help solidify those gains IMO.  Since you're essentially doing a cutting cycle, I would go with prop if you do decide to add a test.  One other thought, if you get some serious tight joints in spite of the supps UR taking, you might try combining Deca or Durabolin with your future cycles involving winny.

 

[madchem]

Thanks for all the info guys.

I’m definitely going to take your it on the winny.
ED makes more sense. I’m also maybe gona get my hands on an other bottle of EQ. I only have enough for 50 days. That’s about only 7weeks and I wouldn’t mind going 8-10 weeks. I’m saying that now but I guess I should wait a couple of weeks and see how the cycle goes.

I was gona drink the wini at first but then my guy told me not too. Supposedly its kind of ruff on the stomach and oesophagus. Also I have a sensitive stomach so I decide against it. On top of that I think I’m getting over my fear because I can’t wait to stick myself again. Heheh.

Im gona get some Clomid in a couple of weeks too.
If I'm correct, I should start taking it 3 weeks after the last Eq shot. Right?????


Thanks again for the Input guys.

I will keep you posted

 

[NAPALM1]

Start the clomid 2 weeks after the last dose of Eq. Use it for 3 weeks. At either 50/100/50, or 100/50/50. Later

 

[madchem]

Well Guy’s
Today marks then end of my first week of my first cycle.
I have been doing the winstrol everyday. I alternate side delt, side delt, rear delt, rear delt.
I have not had any problems except for one of my rear delts. The first time I injected it there was some pain and swelling the next day. Nothing big, I know its not an infection, there is no redness and no tell-tell sings. The other one was never sore and never swelled up. The swelling went down. I injected that same rear delt an hour ago. I’m gona see tomorrow if it swells again. If it does I’m going to change injection site. The side delts never swell and never hurt.
I have been injecting the equipoise in my glutes. 2cc’s every two days. No swelling no pain.
I can’t really see a big change in the gym. Well…….maybe today I did calves, abs and forearms. I did a lot more weight with my calves and got a fucking good pump in them.
My chest feels harder then usual. Might just be placebo effect. I know I’m not gona be feeling the Eq at least for another week. Anyways, I’m working out my back tomorrow and I have a feeling its going to be a kick ass workout.

 

[madchem]

Almost 2 weeks now.
This week has been great. I did my chest today. Well, tonight
and FUCK...........Crazy pump. I added 30 lbs more on my flat bench. Same reps. It felt fucking good.
Guys, Im fucking psyched. My leg workout yesterday was also pretty damn good.

I am also getting really hungry all the time.
Like yesterday morning i woke up an hour earlier then i was supposed to because i was so FUCKING hungry. I eat and then i wana just eat again.

My weight went from 187 to 189.
Could be just water I drank and all that extra protein and food
but whatever i feel great.

Only complaints, Right rear delt keeps sweeling each time i inject it. I'm gona give it a break and skipt it then try it again.
It dosent get really big but i can feel its bigger. If it still bothers me im gona change site.

No acnee. Actually its all gone. I have maybe 2 small zits on my back as opposed too 2 million a month ago when i wasen't even on the juice.
B5 is the shit.

Im goign to finish my winstrol in a little more then 2 weeks.
I dont think im going to get an other bottle.
But I will get an other bottle of EQ. Just so I can finish off 8-10weeks and mabe up the dose.

I was also thinking of adding Anavar to the situation.
like week 4-10 at 30 to 40mg/day.

What do you guys think.  Let me know

Thanks

 

[madchem]

Bro's!!! things are good.
Only complaint---I think i'm getting high blood pressure.
That's from the winstrol right??? not the equipoise.
I can feel pressure in my head. I get headacke's easily.
I get red very easily.
Its all very weird.

Any of you guys have remedies. Should I take some aspirin? Maybe it will thin out my
blood. Reduce the pressure get rid of the headache. Should I reduce my daily winstrol intake.

Also, If I get some Anavar, what would you suggest.

30mg/day for 6 weeks

or 40mg/day for 4 weeks

These would be the IP tabs (keeps that in mind)
The reason I ask this is because I can only get 120 of those tabs.
Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks

 

[ragintiger]

ill bump ya..
RT

 

[madchem]

c'mon guy's

I'm sure someone has something interesting to add/say. (about the anavar)

 

[madchem]

ok dudes
im gona bump it one last time

What I really want to know..........

ANAVAR

30mg/day for 6 weeks

or 40mg/day for 4 weeks

which is likely to give better results?

just want some opinions
thanks

 

[Stickler]

Bro..

Sounds like you're on the right track in regards to your cycle.  In regards to the increase in BP, you need to track it.  I'll see what i can find (natural supps), that can will help lower it in the process.  As far as headaches.. that will go hand in hand with HIGH BP.  Be careful, if you think it's the winny then take it easy.  If need be, come off of it.  Seriously bro, think about how good you feel, then think about how good you'd feel if your BP went through the roof and you had a stroke/heart attack.  That would kinda cut your cycle short.

I'm not trying to scare you, but reality is reality.

In regards to ANAVAR.  The beautiful thing about it is, it is light on your system and originally used for children at low dosages.  You are a male on your first cycle.  Some thoughts might be to drop the winstrol and or ifyou're close to being finished then get it done.  I'd suggest doing the 40mg's of anavar.  It's one of the least toxic and if you need to stop winstrol, it'll handle the transition nicely.  ESPECIALLY since this is your first cycle.  You're receptors are virgin bro, and no matter what you do, you're gonna look and feel great when you're finished.

I'll give another bump for high bp remedies..  

2 suggestions though, increase your water intake, make sure you're taking your precautionary supps like cranberry extract and milk thistle.. possibly add some dandelion root (dieretic which might help with your BP, along with some other great properties.. i suggest doing a search on the net) ...  and like i said.. WATER WATER WATER.... oh yeah, make sure if you're prone to high BP, to keep salt intake to a MINIMUM.

Hope that helped a bit bro...  ... i'm not a scientist or nothing, but some of those basics might help you along.

Last thing.. get your clomid now if  you can afford it (along with nolva) .. never start a cycle with out them.  Worse case scenerio is you need them and your order falls through and doesn't make it in time.  That would suck, and has happened to the best of us.

 

[madchem]

WEEK 3 and 1/2 UPDATE

What's up everyone.
damn time fly's by.

My Strenght Stamina is way up.
I feel great in the gym.


My body weight varies from day to day 190-192lbs
I cant say I have taken up much weight, but I'm assuming that my BF is down a bit.
Im hoping to get to 200lbs by the end of the cycle.

I can see my body changing. Im getting a harder look.
The winstrol is definitly doing its job.

The equipoise is starting to kick in this week.
I am allways Hungry. Its getting worst and worst. I eat and eat. My belly is full and bloated and im still hungry. (good thing i can control myself)


I got an other bottle of EQ. Im going to take up the dose to 550mg/week for the next 4 weeks.

Im finishing the winstrol in a few days. Once im done I'm going to start Anavar at 40mg/day for the rest of the cycle.

I had taken down my daily winstrol intake do to my blood pressure going up. At first it was 139/80. That was when I was taking 50mg/day. Its not High BP but its close.
So i took the dose down to 30mg/day for 5 days.
My BP went down gradually to 130/79 which is pretty good.
Headackes where less frequent. Now I took it back up to 50mg/day (the last 3days).
I haven't had a chance to check my BP yet but im feeling OK.

OH Ya BTW I got sick of the rear delt and side delt injections
so I went ahead and tried Pec. (this was an hour ago).
Went pretty well.  A little more painfull but not that bad.
Hopefully I wont get a bruise like I have on my sholder.

BY the way, Thanks Stickler for your reply. I appreciate it. I am drinking a ton of water and talking my milk thistle.

Up to now, Im pretty satisfied with my cycle.

Any comments guys???

 

[NAPALM1]

Sounds great bro, sorry I haven't posted again. I didn't realize you were keeping a diary in here, lol. Your blood pressure should start dropping soon. Your body will adjust. It won't go all the way back to normal while you are on, but it should drop to managable levels. I would use 30mg-40mg of anavar ED, for 6-8 weeks. You can use it after your cycle, to help retain and solidify what you gained on this cycle. Anavar is pretty week, and if you want to use it to make gains. it really needs to be stacked with a strong androgen like test. Good luck and keep the posts coming!! Later

 

[BStrongBwell*]

Man, sorry I missed this before...nice journal you have going here.  On the BP, like sticky said, be sure to monitor it.  The best thing you can do to control it is to cut out sodium, up your intake of potassium (either in tablet form or to cook with "No-Salt"), and drink 1.5 gal or more of water each day.  That should fix it within a day or two.  If you still have high BP and headaches, go see a doc for some BP medication.

 

[madchem]

lol
I guess I am kinda keeping a journal.
It's just that when I first started educating myself in this subject, I often found lots of posts saying
"here's my first cycle..........just started...and so on"
but most of them never really had any follow ups (which I wish they did).
I just taught I'd keep everyone posted on my progress.

By the way, the chest injections I did yesterday feel fine.
no soreness no swelling.

I'm doing my legs tonight. I have a feeling its going to be crazy.
Oh ya, an other side effect is that I sweet ssssooooo much more during workouts.
I’m assuming that it’s normal???

 

[madchem]

I know that some of you believe that spot injections don’t do much for specific muscle growth and some of you do.

But my shoulders (which I inject everyday with winstrol) have gotten some much bigger.
It’s the muscle that has grown the fastest in the past 3 weeks compared to the rest.
I am not the only one that has noticed. My partner agrees with me big time on this.
Also my ASS (where I inject Eq in every 2days) has gotten noticeably bigger and harder.
Seems to me like there is a difference in the injection site muscle VS. growth of overall muscles.

 

[MacGyver]

Just be careful with the 25 gauge pins when using the winny. Myself and other people have had it clog. I would suggest going to 23 guage.

 

[madchem]

What brand of winstrol where you using MacGyver??
Im almost done my bottle (there's like 4ml's left)
and it's never cloged on me.
But thanks for the head's up anyways.