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Getting stronger but no weight gain

Dude, I hear you, but: if I even get near 200 mg a week test per week, I get acne worse than a 14 year old: painful, oil-rig pimples that fester for weeks. Worse than that, my dick stops working completely. A wet fucking noodle. That is absolutely intolerable. Yes, Viagra works, but gives me heartburn. This is why I've never done deca. If too much test does that to me, Wtf would deca do??? Regarding lasagne, etc, I'm gluten intolerant, so starches are limited to rice, potatoes, rice pasta, etc. Meat and veggies are the staples.

3J, thanks for chiming in here. Really? I feel like I eat a ton of food... and my grocery bill reflects that!! You think only 2000 calories? I'm still working on figuring out approximately what I'm eating, I will definitely report back.
 
Here are a couple of pics. Green shorts are from just about a year ago. Black shorts are from about a month ago. I forget exactly what my weight was in the older pic, roughly 190, maybe a pound or two one way or the other.


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Here are a couple of pics. Green shorts are from just about a year ago. Black shorts are from about a month ago. I forget exactly what my weight was in the older pic, roughly 190, maybe a pound or two one way or the other.


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look at my journal in anabolic section and see what I eat every day cutting just to give u a idea of food intake when I started 20 years ago I was 80 lbs over weight lost all that got to. 175 lbs now I'm 247 and 10% bf at my current weight I stopped counting calories and count protein and most important carbs
 
MM, I haven't looked lately, but was following your log for a while. A dozen eggs at breakfast! That sticks out in my mind... I'll take a look again. But I remember remarking to my wife about the amount of food you eat!

You have about 50 lbs on me... how tall are you?

Also, how often do you have complete bloods done, including lipid profile, etc? What's your LDL look like? Reason I ask is, mine's slightly high, though not alarming. So thinking about increasing food intake also has me thinking about which types of food - meat, in particular - would be best not just for making gains, but overall health.
 
Ok, so far as calories and grams of this and that, I have my 1st 2 meals of the day nailed down (they're identical). I'm eating 1618 calories between the two breakfasts. So by 8:30 am each day (at least each work day - day shift, specifically) I've consumed 1618 calories. So I gotta believe I'm pretty close to 3,000 per day already, but I'll keep going on this and figure it out specifically.

One thing that's evident, however, is that I'm eating way too much fat using 3J'S recommendation earlier in this thread. 3J recommended 90g fat daily; with the 2 tbsp of peanut butter I put in my oatmeal, I've already had 84g of fat by the end of meal 2! I'm sure that's not doing anything good for my cholesterol level, among other things. Looks like this will be a good exercise for several reasons.

Thanks for all the input so far!
 
Ok, here's another partial update. I'm sure y'all are tired of the partials, but here goes anyhow:

I'm building a spreadsheet with relevant nutrition info based on the labels and approximate amount consumed based on label serving size vs measured weight of actual portions. In some cases the actual portions are estimated (like peanut butter, for instance; I use a soup spoon and scoop roughly 3x the capacity of that spoon into my oats, so that's 3 tbsp in my spreadsheet; serving size is 2 tbsp, so 1.5 servings). That's one example. Another example is weighing the burger I brought to work yesterday; they're all roughly the same size, so I'm using the one I weighed as being representative of a typical 90% lean burger. But I didn't account for the small amount of oatmeal, diced onions, the egg my wife puts in the batch of ground beef when she's making them, etc.

And while my 1st 3 meals of the day are usually the same while on day shift, meal 4 varies. It could be a pair of Italian sausages and a salad; a burger and salad; or an eye round steak with salad.

I haven't figured meal 5 into the equation yet. That will take a lot of work, as it varies considerably. So it will take quite a bit of data collection to get an approximation of several typical menu items in there. However, based on what I'm seeing so far in my spreadsheet, I would estimate dinner to be typically at least a 600 calorie meal, probably more.

With all that said, as of Day Shift Meal 4, I have usually eaten approximately 2600 calories. So, adding an estimated 600 calories for meal 5, that puts me at the 3,000 calorie per day mark.

I'm pretty close to the protein and fat igures 3J mentioned in his post; fat is a little on the high side (at meal 4, I'm already over 3J's recommended 90g); protein is almost there as of meal 4 at 170 to190g; carbs are under by a considerable margin at 220-230g. So from what 3J says, there is some adjustment needed in the carb/protein/fat ratio, and I can probably pick up some calories by increasing carb intake. But it seems like I'm pretty close to the mark in terms of total calories, once meal 5 is added in, at least on day shift.

Being on night shift changes my eating habits some, and then days off are different yet again, so it will take a while to get the spreadsheet totally built out. Especially since I have a bunch of work to do and really need to get to doing it.

What are "macros", exactly? Is this the carb/protein/fat distribution?
 
MM, I haven't looked lately, but was following your log for a while. A dozen eggs at breakfast! That sticks out in my mind... I'll take a look again. But I remember remarking to my wife about the amount of food you eat!

You have about 50 lbs on me... how tall are you?

Also, how often do you have complete bloods done, including lipid profile, etc? What's your LDL look like? Reason I ask is, mine's slightly high, though not alarming. So thinking about increasing food intake also has me thinking about which types of food - meat, in particular - would be best not just for making gains, but overall health.
Lol it's hard but a helper is food processor and drink it down I'm 6'1 tall I have bloods done every three mths my ldl good and bad are way to low like 5-10 points because of ai use when younger. If u are worried about ldl with red meat or eggs try bison its lean but$$$$ and just do half egg whites and half yolks my brother too get down as much food as I do food processor cook blend and drink
 
i highly recommend you weigh and measure everything and get an accurate calorie count..
if you weigh and measure everything and post it here ill give you a calorie count myself..
 
Damn man that's rough... I don't really get sides.. at all.. I've done Deca by itself for years with no problems. I live off tuna helper and hamburger helper
 
Dude, I hear you, but: if I even get near 200 mg a week test per week, I get acne worse than a 14 year old: painful, oil-rig pimples that fester for weeks. Worse than that, my dick stops working completely. A wet fucking noodle. That is absolutely intolerable. Yes, Viagra works, but gives me heartburn. This is why I've never done deca. If too much test does that to me, Wtf would deca do??? Regarding lasagne, etc, I'm gluten intolerant, so starches are limited to rice, potatoes, rice pasta, etc. Meat and veggies are the staples.

3J, thanks for chiming in here. Really? I feel like I eat a ton of food... and my grocery bill reflects that!! You think only 2000 calories? I'm still working on figuring out approximately what I'm eating, I will definitely report back.

Dick soft on higher test? I just can't believe it.
 
EMW14, you can do higher test, but you'll want to run an AI along with it, preferably exemestane (also called Aromasin). That will keep you from getting the terrible acne and bad sides resulting from the aromatase conversion. Also, Cialis is far superior to viagra. You can use a minimal dose of 5mg/day, and it will work great without terrible sides, especially no blue-tinted vision (I always hated that from viagra).

As for diet, you and I are in the same boat. I also have a hard time eating a lot. I don't think you have to go all out to add 1,000 calories, but instead just adding up to 250-500 should be more doable. I'm trying to do the same thing. After having my gallbladder out, it has been difficult getting the calories in. I've reviewed my meals and timing, so I just look for a spot in-between where I can add a simple boost to calories like a 1/2 cup of cottage cheese for example. Your meal #1 looks like you could probably add something there. Once you do it for a while, your body will adjust, and you'll be able to add another boost in somewhere in addition to a meal or another in-between spot. If you're trying to add mass, you shouldn't be afraid of a little bit of fat gain, but if you start small then increase from there, fat gain should be minimal.
 
Dick soft on higher test? I just can't believe it.

Yup, it shuts off completely. Test level in the 850-1400 range and it works like a champ. Higher than that and it's totally non functional. Lower than that and pretty much the same. When I'm just barely over the top it comes up strong but before the business gets done it goes soft and won't come back up.
 
EMW14, you can do higher test, but you'll want to run an AI along with it, preferably exemestane (also called Aromasin). That will keep you from getting the terrible acne and bad sides resulting from the aromatase conversion. Also, Cialis is far superior to viagra. You can use a minimal dose of 5mg/day, and it will work great without terrible sides, especially no blue-tinted vision (I always hated that from viagra).

As for diet, you and I are in the same boat. I also have a hard time eating a lot. I don't think you have to go all out to add 1,000 calories, but instead just adding up to 250-500 should be more doable. I'm trying to do the same thing. After having my gallbladder out, it has been difficult getting the calories in. I've reviewed my meals and timing, so I just look for a spot in-between where I can add a simple boost to calories like a 1/2 cup of cottage cheese for example. Your meal #1 looks like you could probably add something there. Once you do it for a while, your body will adjust, and you'll be able to add another boost in somewhere in addition to a meal or another in-between spot. If you're trying to add mass, you shouldn't be afraid of a little bit of fat gain, but if you start small then increase from there, fat gain should be minimal.

Big Z, I've tried Cialis, and the only thing it gives me is wicked heartburn! It does nothing for me that it's supposed to do at all at any dose. I've tried it at 5 mg daily to see if I'll adjust and get over the heartburn and never did, it just got worse. Tried it at 20 mg as needed and got nothing from it at all except the wicked heartburn. I've actually tried all the "-fil" drugs, and the only one that works for me consistently is Viagra. I used to get bad heartburn from it the following day, but I don't as much anymore, it seems to be a tolerance thing. And I don't have any other side effects from it that I'm aware of.

As for increasing calories a little at a time, that is a great idea and I can surely manage to do that. I've completed the "day shift" and "day off" sections in my spreadshert, and I am consuming about 3,000 calories a day currently. Yesterday was 3500, but the last meal of the day wasn't typical. I played hockey last night, so I grilled a steak and ate a cup of rice at around 1 am after I got home. O, and had a big slice of blueberry-raspberry pie with 2 scoops of ice cream...... we have a very productive raspberry patch... lol! I didn't include the pie in the spreadsheet, so really, it was more like 4,000 calories... :laugh:

Today, I start a run of 3 night shifts, so I'll track my food intake and will have the spreadsheet completed with a pretty good idea of what and how much I'm eating. And where I can add.

3J'S input (which is what prompted me to make the spreadsheet in the first place) suggests I am eating too much fat and not enough carbs, so I'm making some adjustments there. I'll try to get some extra food in me here and there, as you suggest, and work up to it.

As for higher test with an ai: when my trt was being managed by a clinic in Vegas I was experimenting with an ai, Anastrozole. At that time, I was up to 180 mg a week test, estrogen all over the place as part of the experiment. It was as low as 7 at one point. Didn't seem to matter if estrodiol was high or low as far as dick function went. Too much test = anon functional dick. That dude was giving me some sort of antibiotic for acne, which only helped somewhat. I dunno, I seem to be very sensitive to the side effects, apparently much more so than most. I'd love to run 250 or 300 mg a weel, but it just doesn't agree with me!
 
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i highly recommend you weigh and measure everything and get an accurate calorie count..
if you weigh and measure everything and post it here ill give you a calorie count myself..

3J, I'll post my spreadsheet when it's completed. See what you think and if I'm accurate. I got the nutrition facts from the labels where possible, from the Internet when there aren't any such labels. In some cases, I found the info applies to cooked food, and others apply to raw. Not sure I accounted for that in the spreeadsheet. Will have to double check.
 
I finished the spreadsheet and attached it, hopefully successfully. Going by 3J'says input here and another very informative article he posted earlier it seems that I have to increase my carb intake. I'm eating approximately 3,000 calories a day whether day shift, off, or night shift. Since I'm neither gaining nor losing weight, it seems I'm right at my maintenance calorie intake, so like all of you have said, I need to eat more. And going by 3J'S input and his article, the specific thing I need more of is carbs.

So it seems I have my answer... Keep the input coming if you have anything to add, this has been very helpful so far.
 

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I've made a couple of changes as a result of this thread to increase my calorie intake and also to try to get more in line with the macros 3J suggested. If anyone is following this and has looked at the attached document in my previous response see to this thread, you'll see what I'm talking about here.

I added a half cup of oats and cut back on the peanut butter that I put in them in order to increase my carbs and decrease my fat intake. I would think this would also help my slightly elevated LDL cholesterol, which is not alarmingly high, but above the max of the range, so I'd like to lower it if possible.

I've been on night shift, and am now switching back to days - actually a couple days off, then a week of day shift. So my food schedule today is all F-ed up.

But anyway, I've managed to increase my calorie intake to about 3500 for a few days since I posted this (that's up from about 3000), and yesterday (so last night through this morning) it was actually just about 4800! I'm also up a pound immediately upon waking, so before getting any food or water in me.

I think yesterday's major increase in calories is in part due to my heavy back workout the night before: I simply couldn't get enough to eat last night! We'll see if the weight gain stays or if I'm just holding a little extra water or something, but in any case, I am moving in the right direction with calories.

I'm going away for the weekend tomorrow and Sunday, then next week going on vacation for 12 days, so training and diet are probably going to be all fouled up...
 
Ooooo, I do NOT like macadamia nuts!

Since upping the calories, specifically the carbs, I have gained about a pound and a half. I'll keep this up and see what happens. I'm going to keep a sharp eye for excessive fat gain. I get that some might be inevitable, but I'm not going to let a lot of it pile on. Slow gains are fine with me, I'm not in a hurry!
 
Update: Since my last post, I've increased my calories pretty much as suggested. We also went on vacation for almost 2 weeks, which meant zero training and being pretty stationary, sitting on a motorcycle all day every day. The result is that I've gained about 5 or 6 pounds, most or all of it obviously around the middle.

I'm obviously not real thrilled with this, but given the circumstances, not at all surprising.

Training has resumed, thankfully, I was really feeling like I needed to MOVE after 12 days of vacation. I've hit another snag, though, in that I have a mild but painful case of bursitis in me left elbow, which puts a cramp in any training that involves pressing exercises. Hopefully that clears up quickly, I'm taking ibuprofen regularly and using ice. It feels better, so I think it will be cleared up in a week or so.

Meanwhile, I feel weak after not training for 2 weeks! It's probably a combination of the bursitis (I tried a chest workout which irritated the bursitis, limiting the weight I could use) and a mental thing - I doubt I lost any real strength after a 2 week break.

I'm also going to cut the calories slightly. I've gone from 9% to about 11% bf, and am not real interested in getting any fatter.

I'm thinking of adding a little EQ to my TRT and see how I respond to that. But I'm going to try to get the diet dialed in a little better first.
 
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