Grappling sports and performance enhancers

[johnperdeau]

Hey guys,

I am a long time competitor in a grappling based sport and in my thirties now. I’ve always been ‘clean’ but getting a little older and competing against juiced up 20 yr olds I am starting to feel a little on the back foot! If it was MMA then I am pretty against performance enhancers as brain trauma is no joke. But for grappling it’s more for recovery from gruelling training sessions and strength and conditioning work etc. Testing is only performed on the date of competition and it seems like most people end their cycles of test prop or anavar etc before hand. Most people get caught for pct like Clomid or Nolvadex. My question I guess is would you go for anavar for a first cycle or test prop, or stack both? With it being a weight based sport then holding water or excess weight is not exactly wanted or desired. And I checked out the detection times on the sticky thread but I can’t see a detection time for Nolvadex or anastrazole etc Cheers guys

 

[Presser]

Certainly propionate would be my choice and water bloating , is what propionate is best know for NOT CAUSING to the degrees of that of its varying ester siblings

real anavar at 60 to 80 mg is going to get expensive fast and that’s even if you get real anavar

just my thoughts. , maybe we have some experienced fighters here who can tell you better through their own experience and it might be the exact opposite of the advice I gave lol

 

[johnperdeau]

Hi Presser, agreed on test prop then. I was hoping for anavar just because my lady wants to go on it at the same time- so romantic haha! I was going to do 40mg a day, but I’m not surprised a monster like you might suggest 80 :shocked:.
Might shoot you a pm if that’s ok?
Anyone got any idea of how long common pct’s are detectable? No point in cycling off and bombing in test levels before comp. Maybe come off test prop, wait for that to clear then do pct post comp? Hopefully there are some experienced fighters on here!

 

[Presser]

Hi Presser, agreed on test prop then. I was hoping for anavar just because my lady wants to go on it at the same time- so romantic haha! I was going to do 40mg a day, but I’m not surprised a monster like you might suggest 80 :shocked:.
Might shoot you a pm if that’s ok?
Anyone got any idea of how long common pct’s are detectable? No point in cycling off and bombing in test levels before comp. Maybe come off test prop, wait for that to clear then do pct post comp? Hopefully there are some experienced fighters on here!

I would think waiting that long to start you PCT meds would kinda defeat the purpose of pct meds. I actually never even thought about how fighters have to do shit , but the best thing anyone can do for the natural testosterone levels while runnin a steroid cycle , is to run HCG along the cycle. We have some really solid threads/studies posted on this, and they actually changed my mind about how HCG should be run!

However i gotta say,. now that i know your wife would have liked to run anavar alongside you, i have to say give that some real consideration! You never wanna want to let an opportunity like that slip away! By opportunity i mean it two fold lol, First Its great when your wife is down with you like that plus mine got great results too! Second its something she cant bring up to fuck you over down the line without fucking herself !

I mean really where else can you go to get all the latest in training and performance knowledge with some sprinkled in bitter divorcee life experience advice like that! lmao NO Where ! lol

 

[johnperdeau]

I would think waiting that long to start you PCT meds would kinda defeat the purpose of pct meds. I actually never even thought about how fighters have to do shit , but the best thing anyone can do for the natural testosterone levels while runnin a steroid cycle , is to run HCG along the cycle. We have some really solid threads/studies posted on this, and they actually changed my mind about how HCG should be run!

However i gotta say,. now that i know your wife would have liked to run anavar alongside you, i have to say give that some real consideration! You never wanna want to let an opportunity like that slip away! By opportunity i mean it two fold lol, First Its great when your wife is down with you like that plus mine got great results too! Second its something she cant bring up to fuck you over down the line without fucking herself !

I mean really where else can you go to get all the latest in training and performance knowledge with some sprinkled in bitter divorcee life experience advice like that! lmao NO Where ! lol

Wow I came for performance knowledge and ended up getting some marriage wisdom too- nice job! Haha I don’t worry about her fucking me over down the line mate, she’s done me a solid on way worse than a bit of var and always had my back. That’s a drop in the ocean if she felt like screwing me over, so it’s all good. Yeah she’s slimmed down a load from 70kg to 53kg or 154 to 117lbs on that side of the pond. She wants to try and put on some muscle now then thinking about entering her 1st bikini show. Long way to go before that stage though. The only prob with that is like everyone keeps saying when it comes to me, getting real anavar is really tough and she would never forgive me if she got any virilisation going on.

Yeah it’s interesting with fighters right? I’m pretty sure it must be just running test prop and hcg then coming off around 1 month before comp (haven’t had chance to check detection times on hcg, but the test would be out by that time.) Then you wouldn’t bomb before fighting I guess.

 

[Differentstroke]

There's a reason the UFC hired on Jeff Novitzky as a part of their upper brass. That guys has his red belt in PED detection. Everyone thought he still worked for USADA, but the UFC hired him a few years back. Now that they have the major network deals they were after, you can tell a lot of the roster is back on the juice. IMO, he details out for them cycles and what cannot be detected. Then if they get caught, it's on them. Too many guys were popping and running to other organizations. There's definitely a way to do it and not get busted, but I think it's very difficult to do without guys like him helping you and giving you the ins and outs of detection. Not a lot of guys will share their ways of flying under the radar, for obvious reasons.

 

[johnperdeau]

Sorry, I disappeared for a bit there! Great point mate! never really thought about about it like that. Enough people get popped and start going to Bellator and the whole business goes south. Still no clearer on how it’s done either