How do you feel about this.

[mike ross]

great point boomer and i played pop warner football when i was 10. my point is why add extra stress at that age, ie weight training...doing a pushup and bench pressing are similar but not the same. The point was not about sports, it was about activities related to training for such sports...we can blow it out of proportion further if you like, my statement was hypothetical in nature as stated.

Guess chess would be safe, til someone gets smacked in the face...some people are sore losers in life...NOTHING IN LIFE IS WITHOUT RISK...

 

[Metal85]

great point boomer and i played pop warner football when i was 10. my point is why add extra stress at that age, ie weight training...doing a pushup and bench pressing are similar but not the same. The point was not about sports, it was about activities related to training for such sports...we can blow it out of proportion further if you like, my statement was hypothetical in nature as stated.

Guess chess would be safe, til someone gets smacked in the face...some people are sore losers in life...NOTHING IN LIFE IS WITHOUT RISK...

for me it would be Monopoly, just like Dane cook says how is grandma is cheating and winning bc shes the banker "fuck u grandma"

 

[NAIR]

Now this is just getting funny.

Let me ask this question in regards to this topic and im not implying you think this at all. Hypothetically, what age is too young then? Should i introduce 10 year olds to proper form, etc. I just dont see any point in working with a 12yr old in that capacity.

I'd argue that there isn't an objective answer to this. I think this comes down to judgement—of the parent(s), that is. For me, I'd evaluate how my children could handle weight after several weeks (if not years) of practice. For example, if I had kids in the 8-9 range and wanted them, assuming they were interested, to begin basic movements, I'd begin teaching fundamental movements by way of calisthenics. Once they were strong enough and adequately coordinated to handle a 45lb barbell--something I wouldn't expect to happen until late junior high or even high school (I couldn't mess with a barbell safely until high school)--then I'd proceed to introduce weight. So I guess I'm saying that, in my view, it has more to do with an individuals physical capacity rather than age. However, I'd never encourage them to try to lift as much weight as possible (max out) with any regularity. And assuming they had bodybuilding aspirations--male or female--they'd stand to benefit by mot maxing out. I never do, nor do I think I ever did.

 

[The Dude]

If I had a kid that was interested in weight training, I don't care how young he or she is, I would be all for it. HOWEVER I don't want some idiot gym teacher showing them exercises and definately not "maxing out".
A strong affinity for weight training in kids will help keep them away from drinking, drugs, cigarettes and can be an amazing bonding experience for families.

 

[mike ross]

Now this is just getting funny.



I'd argue that there isn't an objective answer to this. I think this comes down to judgement—of the parent(s), that is. For me, I'd evaluate how my children could handle weight after several weeks (if not years) of practice. For example, if I had kids in the 8-9 range and wanted them, assuming they were interested, to begin basic movements, I'd begin teaching fundamental movements by way of calisthenics. Once they were strong enough and adequately coordinated to handle a 45lb barbell--something I wouldn't expect to happen until late junior high or even high school (I couldn't mess with a barbell safely until high school)--then I'd proceed to introduce weight. So I guess I'm saying that, in my view, it has more to do with an individuals physical capacity rather than age. However, I'd never encourage them to try to lift as much weight as possible (max out) with any regularity. And assuming they had bodybuilding aspirations--male or female--they'd stand to benefit by mot maxing out. I never do, nor do I think I ever did.

excellent. good points. see we all agree to some degree on this matter

 

[Chris-Winfield]

On another note , I went to school with a guy who in 10th grade was pretty close to the bench record , pretty close to the squat record , and instead of hangcleaning did muscle cleans with 250-275lbs cause he did not have the technique down but used proper form on his lifts... by proper form .. I mean safely executed.

He was around 6'3 maybe 6'4 and im guessing 230lbs. At the age of 17 , dumb as a rock however...

So many training early just stunts IQ?

 

[Boomer]

I think maybe we will all agree onthenfact that children these days need to be doing these exercises but maybe not maxing out on a dead lift or squat, especially being shown by some dumbass pe teacher yo don't know..

Alot of children are fat these days and sit infront of computers and games console for too long! I suppose for a kid some simple Plyometrics or bodyweight exercises are more than enough for a healthier life...
... Although I personally don't think heavy weight once a week won't do any harm, theres no real reason for it... A 12 year old doesn't need to put on mass! He/she needs to be happy and healthy. . Getting them to run around outside is good enough.

 

[NAIR]

I think maybe we will all agree onthenfact that children these days need to be doing these exercises but maybe not maxing out on a dead lift or squat, especially being shown by some dumbass pe teacher yo don't know..

Alot of children are fat these days and sit infront of computers and games console for too long! I suppose for a kid some simple Plyometrics or body weight exercises are more than enough for a healthier life...
... Although I personally don't think heavy weight once a week won't do any harm, theres no real reason for it... A 12 year old doesn't need to put on mass! He/she needs to be happy and healthy. . Getting them to run around outside is good enough.

Yea, that pretty much sums it up. The funny thing about this discussion is it blends the theoretical and hypothetical with the pragmatic. In theory, some of us disagree on whether a kid should max out (I tend to agree with you; a kid lifting heavy once in a blue moon isn't going to kill them. If they're playing outside like I used to, they're constantly pushing the limits of their physical abilities). However, in reality, how many prepubescent kids are going to have the access, interests, or know-how to pursue max lifts using strength training equipment? I'd venture to say, probably not too many.

When I was a kid (I was poor) my friend and I attached water-filled milk jugs to a standard bar. We'd bench milk jugs at 9 years old trying to look like Van Dam in Bloodsport lol

 

[mike ross]

I think maybe we will all agree onthenfact that children these days need to be doing these exercises but maybe not maxing out on a dead lift or squat, especially being shown by some dumbass pe teacher yo don't know..

Alot of children are fat these days and sit infront of computers and games console for too long! I suppose for a kid some simple Plyometrics or bodyweight exercises are more than enough for a healthier life...
... Although I personally don't think heavy weight once a week won't do any harm, theres no real reason for it... A 12 year old doesn't need to put on mass! He/she needs to be happy and healthy. . Getting them to run around outside is good enough.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Metal85]

I think maybe we will all agree onthenfact that children these days need to be doing these exercises but maybe not maxing out on a dead lift or squat, especially being shown by some dumbass pe teacher yo don't know..

Alot of children are fat these days and sit infront of computers and games console for too long! I suppose for a kid some simple Plyometrics or bodyweight exercises are more than enough for a healthier life...
... Although I personally don't think heavy weight once a week won't do any harm, theres no real reason for it... A 12 year old doesn't need to put on mass! He/she needs to be happy and healthy. . Getting them to run around outside is good enough.

agreed. I play the -how many fat ppl game- in wal mart but also do it if im driving, and have to stop for a school bus, it seems to be 70-80% obese ppl, can any1 say increased insurance costs in the future??

 

[DaRooster]

There is no medical reason why, if the weight is not to much for him, that he would be harmed.
Id be more concerned with him losing his balance during squats than anything regarding lifting weights.
As long as he has a spotter and he likes it...let him go for it. I never tell my kids they shouldn't do something as long as they are relatively safe while doing it.
Kids need to be active. Would you rather him sit on the couch for hours and play video games...no of course not.:bench:

 

[jtunderdog]

Well I talked to a physical therapist for an opinion on this and he said no maxing and it probably was just a bad idea all together. He said joint damage and growth plate damage would be his main concern. Like I said more than anything the maxing is what bothered me.