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Basic HCG at the end of steroid cycle to jump start your natural Testosterone production again!

This HCH protocol begins after a 12 week cycle of Test enanthate, Deca, and Dbol cycle with arimidex run at .5mg alongside entire cycle!

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<h1>Note HCG injections start week 12 the last shot of your testosterone enatate and HCG is run at 500 i.u every other day for 3 weeks</h1>
 
How , When, and where to Take H.C.G. for PCT (Post Steroid Cycle Therapy)

Great HCG and PCT Guide for Bodybuilders!
 
Presser,

Great advice for HCG. What doses and length of time of HCG would you recommend for someone running Testosterone Enanthate:
(First cycle using a clean bulk diet)
W1: 0.5 cc
W2: 1cc
W3: 1.5
W4: 2cc
W5: 2cc
W6: 1.5cc
W7: 1cc
W8: 0.5cc
0.5mg Arimidex EOD week 1-8

W11: 40mg nolvadex ED
W12: 40mg nolvadex ED
W13: 40mg nolvadex ED
W14: 20mg nolvadex ED
W15: 20mg nolvadex ED
W16: 20mg nolvadex ED
 
Presser,

Great advice for HCG. What doses and length of time of HCG would you recommend for someone running Testosterone Enanthate:
(First cycle using a clean bulk diet)
W1: 0.5 cc
W2: 1cc
W3: 1.5
W4: 2cc
W5: 2cc
W6: 1.5cc
W7: 1cc
W8: 0.5cc
0.5mg Arimidex EOD week 1-8

W11: 40mg nolvadex ED
W12: 40mg nolvadex ED
W13: 40mg nolvadex ED
W14: 20mg nolvadex ED
W15: 20mg nolvadex ED
W16: 20mg nolvadex ED

thnx, and Im not real big into running your HCG throughout your steroid cycle, I think its best used alongside other pct meds at the end of your cycle.

also not sure what week 1-8 is? what is .5/ and 1cc / etc...
 
I'm sure 1 cc is equivalent to 1 ml. But in mg for the Testosterone Enanthate:
As you can see this is a very mild cycle but its my first!

W1: 50mg
W2: 100mg
W3: 150mg
W4: 200mg
W5: 200mg
W6: 150mg
W7: 100mg
W8: 50mg

Is HCG in the PCT needed on such on mild cycle? Hows the Nolvadex PCT dosage?

Thanks brother
 
I'm sure 1 cc is equivalent to 1 ml. But in mg for the Testosterone Enanthate:
As you can see this is a very mild cycle but its my first!

W1: 50mg
W2: 100mg
W3: 150mg
W4: 200mg
W5: 200mg
W6: 150mg
W7: 100mg
W8: 50mg

Is HCG in the PCT needed on such on mild cycle? Hows the Nolvadex PCT dosage?

Thanks brother

Truth b told I probably wouldn't use HCG in such a mild cycle but I'd still have it on along with nolvadex and clomiphene
 
I'm sure 1 cc is equivalent to 1 ml. But in mg for the Testosterone Enanthate:
As you can see this is a very mild cycle but its my first!

W1: 50mg
W2: 100mg
W3: 150mg
W4: 200mg
W5: 200mg
W6: 150mg
W7: 100mg
W8: 50mg

Is HCG in the PCT needed on such on mild cycle? Hows the Nolvadex PCT dosage?

Thanks brother

Hey Jam123, welcome to MuscleChemistry.
Bump for how many MG per CC. Also 8 weeks seems short for a long acting ester even for your first cycle. IMO 12 would be a minimum for test e. Also... pyramiding dosages not optimal. Stick with 200mg - 300mg a week for 12 weeks. First cycle best cycle. Make sure when you say clean bulk you are taking in A LOT of calories. Quality protein (food), good carbs, good fats. Maybe a protein shake or 2 to supplement.
My worst mistake my first cycle was not eating enough quality food. JUST MY OPINION, ENJOY!
 
Intramuscular Use of HCG versus subcutaneous (subq) injections


[h=1]Injecting HCG into the muscle[/h]

Intramuscular use of HCG gets the drug into the plasma much quicker than the subcutaneous method. Also, much more of the drug is available at the action site (the leydig cells) at a given time. The advantage to this is a more potent activation of the cells if they have been suppressed to a greater extent.
Intramuscular use of HCG can also be used as a quick jump-starter to allow a faster onset of recovery and stimulation of testosteorne. This is very useful if you are a seasoned user or one of our...ummm...permanent replacement individuals before permanent replacement age. You know, from your 20's to early 30's and never seem to go off. Yeah, if thats you, you probably want to go the intramuscular route because your leydig cells have had a long, deep, nap. More like a hibernation.
"Theoretically", you could always use a large intramuscular dose of HCG to jump start the testis. Then follow up with smaller, more physiologic doses of HCG until you feel healthy and have recovery of your testosterone and testicular size.

[h=1]Injecting HCG Subcutaneous[/h]hCG is a peptide hormone similar to Growth Hormone and therefore can be administered under the skin with a small needle (subcutaneous), or in the muscle with a larger needle (intramuscular). Subcutaneous injections of drugs that can be used both under the skin and in the muscle differ in the speed of "onset of action". If you inject hCG subcutaneous, you will have a slower onset of action and it will last longer (longer half-life).
If we inject subcutaneous we create a more time-release effect and a unique event called a 'biphasic' effect. hCG is always going to differ in behavior when compared to the body's own endogenous luteinizing hormone (LH). The level of testosterone stimulation is much greater with hCG mainly due to the larger physical size and hydrophilicity of the hCG molecule compared to the smaller more soluble and shorter acting LH. Our bodies tend to release natural LH (the hormone we are mimicking with HCG) every single day in small bursts. This type of hormone is called a circadian hormone meaning that it is regulated in pulses throughout a 24hr period. If we are trying to normalize our system, it makes sense to restore it using drugs in a method which allow the must "natural"/"normal" manner to do so. unfortunately hCG although very effective at wakening the leydig cells to produce testosterone, is a bit overkill.
we have to take various ancillary drugs at specific times in order to make sure that the hCG does not become extremely unproductive by destroying the testosterone to estradiol (t:e2) ratio at a critical time. and there is no more critical time than post cycle AAS when it comes to the importance of precise T:E2 regulation. if you don't already know that hCG tends to raise estradiol as well if not better than it raises testosterone - and you have never gotten GYNO during PCR, you must be 1/8th Irish like me and have a little luck working in your favor. hCG is an estradiol beast. especially above specific threshold doses where lots and lots of studies on male hypogonadism and fertility back this up.
 
i just posted a great article on why hcg during cycle is far superior to using hcg post steroid cycle.
 
i just posted a great article on why hcg during cycle is far superior to using hcg post steroid cycle.
Thank you for the information within this thread and forum. I am a noob (31) and have a couple questions.

Every time I look for information on PCT's i get different information ( i understand information progresses of time). Even within this thread you stated that you don't run PCT till the end and toward the bottom you stated it is better to run HCG during. Some places I have read for HCG E3D (250/shot) and here I see you stated 500/week which I would assume would be broken down to 2 times per week, is that correct?

Would you be so kind to help me with my first cycle, and honestly, I am not sure I even need HCG.. but I don't know? What do you think? I am only running test c 400 mg/week for 10 weeks.

Weeks 1- 10 - 400 mg Test - split between 2 injects. Monday Morning and Thursday afternoons 200mg each inject.

Week 14 and 15 - Nova 20mg/day
Week 16 and 17 - Nova 10 mg/day

Should I add clomid or take nova alone? haha I swear everywhere I go is something different and I am sorry for all the questions but I am trying to do this right. I have waited 4 years to even start!

I have also read to start the PCT 2 weeks after last inject but I am not sure if that is accurate. Also, should I take arimidex daily throughout the entire cycle or only if I start to see problems? How much would you suggest on a smaller frame? 168 pounds.
 
Hello everyone here.
So i've been planning to run my first cycle from around a week now, doing my research and everything i can.
First of all cheers for setting up this thread, it has been amazingly helpful for first-timers like myself
So here are my few concerns that i'd like anyone who is experienced to answer.
I've been lifting for 3 years now gained around 30 lb lean mass so far and can't seem to grow further currently 5'8, 20 y.o
I m planning on running a Test E and DBOL for Lean MASS.

So I;ve planned out to run the whole thing for 8 weeks (This is my first cycle)

So Test E 300mg once a week and Dbol 40mg a day every day for 8 weeks, also using Milk Thistle for Liver support. i am not sure if i should OR should not use HCG.
With my cycle also what else should i be using ?

PCT starts 1 week after last pin
Nolva at 50mg everyday for 4 weeks
Clomid at 20mg everyday for 4 weeks

please let me know what else should i be knowing ?

-Keep it simple.
 
Great info.
May I ask why you don't recommend running HCG during Test E cycle? I thought it helps keep a little natural test production and maintaining testicle size during cycle?
 
I'm confused! I read your previous post that said you're not a fan of HCG during a Test E cycle.

that is correct! I also posted that this new article and new information has swayed my thinking, as I was never a Proponent of using HCG during your cycle, I always thought it wasn't all that important and you could recover just as easily when using HCG post cycle, however, my opinion changed after reading more new information on this.

Now I havent tried using HCG during cycle to see if recovery is any better than it would be post cycle, and I likely never will use HCG again as I am prescribed for low testosterone levels and will likely be on Testosterone replacement therapy aka Hormone replacement therapy for the rest of my life and I am ok with that.
 
I have done half cycle not completley full means each different stacks 500mg means1500 mg and i left some gap due to sick again i planned to start

yeah it will be a good idea to have the pct on hand brutha! i don't think you'll need to run hcg for such short cycle, but i would have the anti-estrogens and anti-progesterones on hand always

Hi sir i have a doubt i done half cycle not completly of 3 stacks combination of 1500 mg means 500 each again i stooped using due to sick i left 15 days gap again planning to start before that i need hcg ? I was taking tomaxcifin citrate daily 20mg

wat is the use wen we take hcg in between cycles sir ?
 
Gday guys im new here, just a quiz, im an old school BB we didn't run things like HCG or PCT back in the early days so the majority of the gains got lost shortly after the course, i've been reading as much as i can (very conflicting) ,ive done a handful of courses over the past 40yrs the last 5 yrs ago my Dr said to take 5000iu HCG a week for 4 weeks when i came off that one ,i didn't feel it worked to well. im currently running a small course over 10 to 12 weeks of Sus 250 500ml a week and Tren A at 100ml a week ,2 shots a week, nothing to wild just looking to put some size back the ol muscles but acknowledging im no spring chicken ,so far slow good solid gains . i have 5000iu package of HCG and 30mls of bacwater i picked up couple of boxes Nolvadex , my Q is with what ive got how should i run it and when and what doses. cheers guys love this site so much great information.
 
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