Is this a good beginner cycle?

[Slice07]

Weeks 1-10:
*500mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)

Week 11:
*300mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
Week 12:
*200mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)

Week 13:
*1.25mg of finasteride per day
*.25mg of Arimidex every other day
*100mg of clomid every day
Week 14:
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
*50mg of clomid every day
I've done one cycle of test years ago. After reading and comparing beginner cycles on here i think this looks good. Is the fincar necessary?

 

[Presser]

Looks good to me, I don't know about running 50mg clomid through cycle but yeah it's fine

 

[mmajake]

What are your stats?
Tapering off is very old school and doesn't have any effect on your recovery so either come off sooner or stay on 500mg longer.
Don't run arimidex through your PCT very counter productive, if you want to run an anti-e through your PCT switch arimidex for aromasin. Also make sure if you stay with arimidex that you have enough on hand to bump the dose to .5 eod if needs be.
Clomid should only be used in PCT, I assume your running enth or cyp as a first cycle so PCT starts exactly 2 weeks after last testosterone injection.

May I suggest this....

1-12
500 mg testosteron enth or cyp split 250mg monday/thursday
.5 mg arimidex eod

14-16
Clomid 100mg ed
Natty test booster of your choice (really helps with recovery, best to run it for the last few weeks of cycle too)
Creatine Mono 10 grams ed

16-18
Clomid 50mg ed
Natty test booster
Creatine Mono 10 grams ed

- MC IGF is a great addition to PCT and/or cycle but if its one to the other use it during PCT really helps maintain gains.
- Don't know enough about fincar to comment, hopefully someone else will chime in on that

 

[Iron Game]

Have you looked into frontloading? I'm a big believer in it. I agree with mmajake tapering off would be a waste, MC IGF would be a great addition as well as adding creatine to the end of your cycle.

 

[yellow snow]

What is your goal? Gaining 20lbs, cutting, etc.....your goals will determine what my recommendations would be.

500mg of Test is a great starter, but it you aren't worried about water gain, I would hold off on a lot of anti e stuff until you need them. Test works better when Estrogen is high, problem is it is a balancing act.

 

[Slice07]

5'9 195 lbs 13% bf .... i'd like to lose 10 lbs of fat and gain about 20 of muscle. yes, it will be test e or c. I guess two inj. a week will be a more constant test level. I was thinking since the test e is a slower release it would be ok just doing one a week. Is taking anything for enlarged prostate an overkill? Is that really for a higher dosage than 500/week?

 

[The Dude]

http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/anabolic-discussion-forum/81151-gain-muscle-lean-up-cycle.html
It's explained pretty well here.

 

[jolt]

The looks about right stay at one dose like 500 mh and maybe add 3-4 more weeks and I believe after week 5-6 if u are feeling good its the time to explore a oral if u feel ballsy
Use a ai from day one up to pct then pct
Nolvadex
40-40-20-20-20
Clomid
100-75-50-50-50
And I always use 250 iu hcg two times a week add to my pinns
Tudaca 500 mg ed
NAC 1200 mg ed

 

[Presser]

5'9 195 lbs 13% bf .... i'd like to lose 10 lbs of fat and gain about 20 of muscle. yes, it will be test e or c. I guess two inj. a week will be a more constant test level. I was thinking since the test e is a slower release it would be ok just doing one a week. Is taking anything for enlarged prostate an overkill? Is that really for a higher dosage than 500/week?

bro, not even a professional bodybuilder can put on 20 pounds of lean muscle mass in 12 weeks, let alone lose 10 pounds of fat at the same time. Thats very unrealistic if im being honest with you!

Also in terms of your original plan, i didnt see anything wrong with it in terms of "wrong or right" ways of doing things or anything that would harm you, so with that being said, do NOT let your head spin with all the reccomendations your getting, they are all just peoples personal prefrences, and there are quite literally a dozen ways to skin a cat no one way being correct!

My suggestion is always the same, either stick to your original game plan of how your steroid cycle is laid out or listen to one person who you believe knows what theyre talking about, thats not to say everyone doesnt know what theyre talking about, its just that your head will spin trying to incorporate a little of this and a little of that from everyones advice!

For me when someone asks if there steroid choice and steroid cycle lay out is ok, i simply look it over to make sure your not doing anything that can be a detriment to your health and overall goals, and I try not to get into how i would do it or tweek this or that, as everyone is different and as long as your not going to kill yourself with your steroid cycle, i say stick to your original game plan, or take advice from one person!

 

[Slice07]

I made myself sound dumb ha. I dunno why i assumed when i asked what my goal was it was the end goal. Obviously it would be for the 12 week cycle. Thanks for the advice presser.

 

[Presser]

I made myself sound dumb ha. I dunno why i assumed when i asked what my goal was it was the end goal. Obviously it would be for the 12 week cycle. Thanks for the advice presser.

after i posted that, i realized you probably meant your end goal, and not just 12 weeks as i knew you were more knowledgable than that but figured i would leave my post up for others who might actually believe they can attain that amount of muscle in such a short amount of time as theyre out ther elmao

 

[Slice07]

Good deal! with only running 500 mg test i shouldnt worry about anything for prostate enlargement?is the nolvadex on MC store the same as arimidex?

 

[Presser]

Good deal! with only running 500 mg test i shouldnt worry about anything for prostate enlargement?is the anti-estro on MC store the same as arimidex?

no, anti-estro is letrozole, you can tell what each product correlates to by looking at its dosage, as it will be the most popular dosage for each compound.

1mg/ml is aqua-dex and like arimidex its 1mg

anti-estro is listed at 2.5mg/ml just like letros most popular common dosage is 2.5mg

just figured i would put that out there for everyone else who might be curious and not sure.

in terms of prostate problems at 500mg testosterone per week, I doubt it but better safe than sorry and have something on hand i guess for DHT

 

[Masher59]

Not bad but kill the taper and go strong throughout.

 

[Slice07]

Ok ill get some just to have in case. Theres so many anti e. I wanna get somthing from the mc store. Whats the difference between the nolva bloat and the aqua dex. Or better yet which should i get?

 

[Slice07]

Man this site has so much useful info!!! this is a quote from presser that answered my exact question.


"arimidex is to prevent estrogen side effects, nolvadex is to combat already present estrogen side effects. Taking arimidex once you start seeing signs of gyno or estrogen side effects is too late. like putting air in your tire that already has a blow out. pointless, too late

Always have nolvadex on hand incase side effects arise!

Nolvadex will compete with the estrogen for the receptor, wheras arimidex will help stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen to begin with

knowing this stuff is important man!"

 

[jolt]

bro, not even a professional bodybuilder can put on 20 pounds of lean muscle mass in 12 weeks, let alone lose 10 pounds of fat at the same time. Thats very unrealistic if im being honest with you!

Also in terms of your original plan, i didnt see anything wrong with it in terms of "wrong or right" ways of doing things or anything that would harm you, so with that being said, do NOT let your head spin with all the reccomendations your getting, they are all just peoples personal prefrences, and there are quite literally a dozen ways to skin a cat no one way being correct!

My suggestion is always the same, either stick to your original game plan of how your steroid cycle is laid out or listen to one person who you believe knows what theyre talking about, thats not to say everyone doesnt know what theyre talking about, its just that your head will spin trying to incorporate a little of this and a little of that from everyones advice!

For me when someone asks if there steroid choice and steroid cycle lay out is ok, i simply look it over to make sure your not doing anything that can be a detriment to your health and overall goals, and I try not to get into how i would do it or tweek this or that, as everyone is different and as long as your not going to kill yourself with your steroid cycle, i say stick to your original game plan, or take advice from one person!

Rich piana just did,just kidding that's a jokey.referring to the 20 pounds but u are absolutely right when guys tell me they only gained 5 pounds on 500 mg test e for 10 weeks so the gear was bunk.I ask how many times a day did you eat and what?did they have a weight increase goal?the list gos on but wise words.I had to vent sorry.

 

[Slice07]

12 weeks 500mg test /week
.25mg aqua-dex EOD
last two weeks 50 mg clomid
PCT: 100/50/50/25mg clomid
will have some nolvadex on deck just in case.

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Those 20 pound guys remind me of the 160 lbs guys in high school benching 300+ with a spotter putting out more than the guy laying down on bench.

 

[Presser]

Man this site has so much useful info!!! this is a quote from presser that answered my exact question.


"arimidex is to prevent estrogen side effects, nolvadex is to combat already present estrogen side effects. Taking arimidex once you start seeing signs of gyno or estrogen side effects is too late. like putting air in your tire that already has a blow out. pointless, too late

Always have nolvadex on hand incase side effects arise!

Nolvadex will compete with the estrogen for the receptor, wheras arimidex will help stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen to begin with

knowing this stuff is important man!"

good to hear, and yeah we have answered every question possible probably 20 times for items that have been around, however im still learning daily with al the new compounds that come out, so happy we could help brutha