My experience is totally different. Winstrol did nothing for me, but destroy joints. I wouldn't use it if you paid me. I literally gave away 100cc's of it. Masteron and Proviron effectively double the gains I get from whatever I take and make me crazy hard and dense. It's like liquid gold to me. After 20 years a little Deca, Test, and Masteron or Proviron is the absolute perfect mix for me.