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TITLE: NEW BILL MOVING QUICKLY THROUGH THE SENATE
We need to stop it on the floor of the Senate Judiciary Committee
S.2195
Title: A bill to amend the Controlled Substances Act to clarify the definition of anabolic steroids and to provide for research and education activities relating to steroids and steroid precursors.
Sponsor: Sen Biden Jr., Joseph R. [DE] (introduced 3/11/2004) Cosponsors: 9
Latest Major Action: 3/11/2004 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
The article below is from CQ Weekly:
House Bill to Combat Use Of New -Like Drugs Advanced by Judiciary Panel
By Jennifer A. Dlouhy, CQ Staff
Legislation that would crack down on performance-enhancing supplements is moving quickly through Congress, fueled by concerns that the use of such -like products is widespread in professional sports and might be expanding to school and other amateur athletics.
A measure (HR 3866) that would broaden the federal classification of anabolic easily made it through the House Judiciary Committee the week of March 29, beginning with the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security, which approved the bill by voice vote March 30.
A day later, the full committee approved it, also by voice vote. The measure could be on the House floor as early as the week of April 19.
B o x S c o r e
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Bills: HR 3866, S 2195 — To expand the list of banned anabolic ..
Latest Action: House Judiciary Committee approved HR 3866 by voice vote March 31, following approval by the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security by voice vote March 30.
Next Likely Action: House passage, as early as the week of April 19.
Reference: National Drug Control Office, CQ Weekly, p. 1760.
Interest in the legislation is fueled by highly publicized incidents involving the use of supplements by professional sports figures, particularly Major League Baseball players. Tests of players during the 2003 season indicated that up to 7 percent were positive for . Some critics of supplements say the incidence might be much higher.
Mark McGwire, who six years ago broke the record for home runs in a season, has acknowledged using androstenedione, a -like supplement known more commonly as "andro." The Food and Drug Administration barred the supplement from sale in the United States on March 11.
Bill supporters say the intent of the legislation is to keep such products out of the hands of high school athletes and other amateurs.
"The use of these drugs is glamorized by professional athletics," said Judiciary Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., R-Wis. "The message that adolescents receive is that the use of performance-enhancing drugs is necessary to compete and should be used regardless of the health effects."
Current law (PL 101-647) bans any use of 27 different types of anabolic . But since that law was enacted in 1990, bill supporters say, scores of new performance-enhancing supplements have been brought to market, including precursors that are generally converted into testosterone by the body.
Such precursors mimic the benefits of anabolic and have been found to be as dangerous as themselves, said Democratic Rep. John Conyers Jr. of Michigan.
The bill would include in its definition of banned any supplement that is "chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone," including products made with any of more than 50 specific substances, such as androstenedione.
The House measure also includes language that would double the permitted fine for selling or intending to distribute an anabolic
A companion Senate bill (S 2195) is expected to be considered by the Judiciary Committee in coming weeks. The Senate measure does not include the sports facility provision.
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I find all this hormone and pro-hormone banning really unfair. Is estrogen on the same list as testosterone? I don't believe it is (correct me if I'm wrong).
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/law_fed_sched3.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/steroids/steroids_law1.shtml
Everyone seems to gloss over this one. If estrogen for women (birth control, HR therapy) is not on schedule III, then neither should testosterone be (and everything else related to it). Everyone should make this known to their representatives.
Does the FDA object to having men getting more muscular? The real basis for putting testosterone on schedule III makes no logical sense as it doesn't do anything like the other substances on the list. Look at the main list at the other substances that they've put AAS with. It really makes no sense to have them on this schedule at all. Who do they think they're protecting? If we got saccharin back, we can get AAS back if we fight--hard.
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/law_fed_sched3.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/steroids/steroids_law1.shtml
Everyone seems to gloss over this one. If estrogen for women (birth control, HR therapy) is not on schedule III, then neither should testosterone be (and everything else related to it). Everyone should make this known to their representatives.
Does the FDA object to having men getting more muscular? The real basis for putting testosterone on schedule III makes no logical sense as it doesn't do anything like the other substances on the list. Look at the main list at the other substances that they've put AAS with. It really makes no sense to have them on this schedule at all. Who do they think they're protecting? If we got saccharin back, we can get AAS back if we fight--hard.
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tonykemp said:
estrogen isn't abused by women... however steroids are commonly abused by both men and women
best option is to allow doctors to monitor non-competitive athletes that choose to do steroids...
and those who use steroids un-monitored by a physician or illicit use in a competitive atmosphere where steroids are prohibited should be grounds for criminal penalties
but its always the case that it is easier for the government to ban anything that cannont be heavily taxed upon to their benefit... this is why cigarettes, alcohol, and fast food enjoy very little legal intervention...
imagine if IFBB started makin out million dollar checks to politicians... you can bet your ass that steroids wouldn't be controlled
Pinch said:
well that is exactly what happened when the lobbyists/lawyers for the 3 main ephedrine manufacturers started contributing to bushes campaihn pre election, If memory serves me correctly they were on the chopping block back then as well, and voila....a few generous campaign contributions and they stay alive a little longer,
its all about the benjamines
here is an eye opener about our beloved government, I saved this years ago,lol
Bush's Diet-Drug Problem
The Governor's regulators eased up on a risky stimulant after lobbyists put money in his campaign
By Michael Weisskopf
May 15, 2000
Web posted at: 5:00 p.m. EDT (2100 GMT)
Not long after Governor George W. Bush named him Texas health commissioner in September 1997, William ("Reyn") Archer decided to restrict sales of dietary supplements containing ephedrine. It was a bold but logical move for the head of a nationally applauded state agency. An amphetamine-like stimulant derived from a Chinese herb, ephedrine was widely used for weight loss, but it seemed to pose serious health risks. Products with ephedrine had in the previous five years been linked to eight deaths and more than 1,400 health problems in Texas alone.
A few months after Archer's decision to crack down on ephedrine, something curious happened. Archer abruptly changed course. He called in large manufacturers and let them negotiate looser rules for marketing their ephedrine products. A physician and son of powerful House Ways and Means Committee chairman Bill Archer, Reyn Archer had gone from taking the actions of a crusading regulator to taking those of an industry ally.
Why the flip? Archer reversed himself because of the ephedrine industry's strong opposition and its threats of litigation, his spokesman said. But records and interviews obtained by TIME suggest another plausible reason: the office of Governor Bush encouraged, if not inspired, Archer's about-face after lawyers close to Bush began work for a leading manufacturer. Those same lawyers funneled $40,000 to Bush's re-election drive about the time of a key industry meeting with Archer. The rise and fall of ephedrine regulation offers a case study of politics, policy and money in George W. Bush's Texas.
Archer wasn't the first Texas health commissioner to tackle ephedrine. Since 1995, Texas' health department had been trying to ban over-the-counter sales of most ephedrine items. Marketed under such brand names as BioLean and Ripped Fuel, the substance had been linked to heart attacks, strokes and seizures. Leaders of what has become a $1 billion industry nationwide responded that their products were safe if taken as directed, and they launched a lobbying blitz against Archer's proposal to require a doctor's prescription for most products containing ephedrine.
To press its case, the herbal industry turned to Bush allies. Metabolife International--which makes Metabolife 356, the best-selling herbal diet product in America--hired a San Antonio law firm headed by some of Bush's closest political associates, including Jeff Wentworth, a powerful state senator. (In Texas it is legal for a sitting state senator to represent clients before a state agency.) Wentworth arranged a July 2, 1998, meeting between Metabolife president Michael Ellis and Archer. Ellis says he called for a "dialogue" with his industry in place of the tough regulatory stand--a position being quietly urged on Archer by the Governor's office, report two sources involved in the issue. Just days after Ellis' plea, Archer brought in an outside lawyer to help him and the state's board of health to negotiate a settlement with ephedrine producers.
What, exactly, was the role of aides to Bush in all this? The Governor's health-care adviser, Ron Lindsey, tells TIME he does not recall pressing Archer to abandon his initial tough-on-ephedrine proposal--although Lindsey allows that he strongly supported Archer's move to negotiate with ephedrine producers. Lindsey's 1998 calendar (a copy of which was obtained by TIME) shows that starting in May, he met with industry officials--including Ralph Oats, owner of Wellness International Network, who, along with his wife, contributed almost $90,000 to the g.o.p. and national candidates in the mid-1990s. Lindsey says another Metabolife lawyer, James Jonas III, paid him a visit, apparently to "get leverage" on the issue. But while Bush and his chief of staff, Joe Allbaugh, were kept informed, Lindsey insists "there was no pressure from the top [other than to] just work this thing out if you can." Allbaugh, who has since become Bush's presidential campaign manager, says Metabolife lawyers did not discuss the issue with him or the Governor.
Archer's negotiations with the industry were a closed-door affair. When he began the sessions on Aug. 11, officials from Metabolife and seven other companies flanked both sides of the U-shaped mahogany conference table in the department's boardroom. No outside doctors or consumer advocates were invited--unusual if Archer hoped to find common ground. Also missing were Archer's staff experts who favored strong regulation of ephedrine.
After the doors reopened, the industry seemed to get much of what it wanted. Archer accepted several industry positions, including ephedrine-dosage limits of 25 mg a serving and 100 mg a day--much higher than the limits favored by Archer's specialists, who cite evidence of ill health effects at significantly lower doses. Participants also agreed to let a smaller task force, including lawyers from an industry coalition headed by Ellis, work with Archer to tackle the remaining issues. According to notes obtained by TIME, they decided on what can only be called a rather unbalanced division of labor. Archer's general counsel, Susan Steeg, wrote, "Industry will draft rules." Pointing to her notes, Steeg claims she merely meant that the industry would shape the language, not the substance of the rules.
In mid-September 1998, Archer appeared to get a bit tougher on the industry. Urged by his staff to press for stricter limits, he told the industry task force that he wanted to allow no more than 10 mg a serving and 40 mg a day. The industry said those restrictions would wipe its products off the market. The task force asked for an audience with Archer. On Oct. 2, Ellis, Wentworth and Jonas contributed a total of $10,000 to Bush's re-election campaign, followed three days later by $5,000 from another Metabolife official, Michael Blevins. According to Ellis' spokesman, Jonas sought the money as co-chairman of a fund raiser for Bush.
Archer held a meeting with the task force Oct. 20 and once more backed off the stricter limits. On the same day, Tom Loeffler, a former Texas Congressman hired as a Washington lobbyist for Metabolife, contributed $25,000 to the Bush gubernatorial campaign. Loeffler, a mentor for Bush, has given $141,000 to his gubernatorial races and raised at least $100,000 for his presidential bid. He did not return phone calls seeking comment. Nor did his partner Jonas. For his part, Wentworth told TIME, "I'm not aware of any coordinating of contributions to get a meeting with Dr. Archer." (Months later, after news reports that Ellis and Blevins had been convicted years earlier of drug-related offenses totally unconnected to their work in the herbal industry, the Bush campaign returned their donations.)
Where was Bush during these negotiations? According to copies of his calendar, he met with Archer in mid-July and mid-September--key junctures in the ephedrine negotiations. He twice saw Wentworth at political events during this period. But a spokesman in the Governor's office said Bush did not get involved in Archer's deliberations and had no discussions with Metabolife's lawyers about ephedrine. Wentworth says he never raised the issue with Bush.
As the package was prepared for formal presentation in November 1998, Texas' chief of food and drug safety under Archer was worried. The chief, Dennis Baker, called the softer proposals "quite disturbing" in comments e-mailed to Archer. "The rules as currently written," he wrote, "would only serve to facilitate marketing of ephedrine products at the expense of public health." By the time regulations were approved in May 1999, Archer decided to take no position on dosage limits. Such limits would imply that ephedrine products were safe at certain levels. But he did allow the industry to carry a label that warned about "exceeding" the recommended dosage, as if staying below it would not cause any problems to consumers. In fact, as Archer's aides pointed out in memos, 90% of the health problems reported in Texas have occurred after the consumer took the directed amount of product--or less.
Archer would not comment on the ephedrine regulatory regimen. But his agency spokesman, Doug McBride, says Archer describes the rules as a "starting point. We have something where nothing existed before." While industry seemed to dominate the rulemaking, McBride notes that a doctor and a consumer representative sit on Archer's board, which gave final approval to the rules. And he contends there was no connection between Archer's actions and industry contributions to Bush's campaigns. Perhaps it is instructive, though, that when Bush posted a list of Pioneers, those who raised at least $100,000 in 1999 for his White House quest, a new name came up: Craig Keeland, president of Youngevity Inc. of Dallas. Youngevity was not among the companies lobbying in 1998, but its products include Fat Metabolizer 2001+, which contains ephedrine.
Bush's Diet-Drug Problem
The Governor's regulators eased up on a risky stimulant after lobbyists put money in his campaign
By Michael Weisskopf
May 15, 2000
Web posted at: 5:00 p.m. EDT (2100 GMT)
Not long after Governor George W. Bush named him Texas health commissioner in September 1997, William ("Reyn") Archer decided to restrict sales of dietary supplements containing ephedrine. It was a bold but logical move for the head of a nationally applauded state agency. An amphetamine-like stimulant derived from a Chinese herb, ephedrine was widely used for weight loss, but it seemed to pose serious health risks. Products with ephedrine had in the previous five years been linked to eight deaths and more than 1,400 health problems in Texas alone.
A few months after Archer's decision to crack down on ephedrine, something curious happened. Archer abruptly changed course. He called in large manufacturers and let them negotiate looser rules for marketing their ephedrine products. A physician and son of powerful House Ways and Means Committee chairman Bill Archer, Reyn Archer had gone from taking the actions of a crusading regulator to taking those of an industry ally.
Why the flip? Archer reversed himself because of the ephedrine industry's strong opposition and its threats of litigation, his spokesman said. But records and interviews obtained by TIME suggest another plausible reason: the office of Governor Bush encouraged, if not inspired, Archer's about-face after lawyers close to Bush began work for a leading manufacturer. Those same lawyers funneled $40,000 to Bush's re-election drive about the time of a key industry meeting with Archer. The rise and fall of ephedrine regulation offers a case study of politics, policy and money in George W. Bush's Texas.
Archer wasn't the first Texas health commissioner to tackle ephedrine. Since 1995, Texas' health department had been trying to ban over-the-counter sales of most ephedrine items. Marketed under such brand names as BioLean and Ripped Fuel, the substance had been linked to heart attacks, strokes and seizures. Leaders of what has become a $1 billion industry nationwide responded that their products were safe if taken as directed, and they launched a lobbying blitz against Archer's proposal to require a doctor's prescription for most products containing ephedrine.
To press its case, the herbal industry turned to Bush allies. Metabolife International--which makes Metabolife 356, the best-selling herbal diet product in America--hired a San Antonio law firm headed by some of Bush's closest political associates, including Jeff Wentworth, a powerful state senator. (In Texas it is legal for a sitting state senator to represent clients before a state agency.) Wentworth arranged a July 2, 1998, meeting between Metabolife president Michael Ellis and Archer. Ellis says he called for a "dialogue" with his industry in place of the tough regulatory stand--a position being quietly urged on Archer by the Governor's office, report two sources involved in the issue. Just days after Ellis' plea, Archer brought in an outside lawyer to help him and the state's board of health to negotiate a settlement with ephedrine producers.
What, exactly, was the role of aides to Bush in all this? The Governor's health-care adviser, Ron Lindsey, tells TIME he does not recall pressing Archer to abandon his initial tough-on-ephedrine proposal--although Lindsey allows that he strongly supported Archer's move to negotiate with ephedrine producers. Lindsey's 1998 calendar (a copy of which was obtained by TIME) shows that starting in May, he met with industry officials--including Ralph Oats, owner of Wellness International Network, who, along with his wife, contributed almost $90,000 to the g.o.p. and national candidates in the mid-1990s. Lindsey says another Metabolife lawyer, James Jonas III, paid him a visit, apparently to "get leverage" on the issue. But while Bush and his chief of staff, Joe Allbaugh, were kept informed, Lindsey insists "there was no pressure from the top [other than to] just work this thing out if you can." Allbaugh, who has since become Bush's presidential campaign manager, says Metabolife lawyers did not discuss the issue with him or the Governor.
Archer's negotiations with the industry were a closed-door affair. When he began the sessions on Aug. 11, officials from Metabolife and seven other companies flanked both sides of the U-shaped mahogany conference table in the department's boardroom. No outside doctors or consumer advocates were invited--unusual if Archer hoped to find common ground. Also missing were Archer's staff experts who favored strong regulation of ephedrine.
After the doors reopened, the industry seemed to get much of what it wanted. Archer accepted several industry positions, including ephedrine-dosage limits of 25 mg a serving and 100 mg a day--much higher than the limits favored by Archer's specialists, who cite evidence of ill health effects at significantly lower doses. Participants also agreed to let a smaller task force, including lawyers from an industry coalition headed by Ellis, work with Archer to tackle the remaining issues. According to notes obtained by TIME, they decided on what can only be called a rather unbalanced division of labor. Archer's general counsel, Susan Steeg, wrote, "Industry will draft rules." Pointing to her notes, Steeg claims she merely meant that the industry would shape the language, not the substance of the rules.
In mid-September 1998, Archer appeared to get a bit tougher on the industry. Urged by his staff to press for stricter limits, he told the industry task force that he wanted to allow no more than 10 mg a serving and 40 mg a day. The industry said those restrictions would wipe its products off the market. The task force asked for an audience with Archer. On Oct. 2, Ellis, Wentworth and Jonas contributed a total of $10,000 to Bush's re-election campaign, followed three days later by $5,000 from another Metabolife official, Michael Blevins. According to Ellis' spokesman, Jonas sought the money as co-chairman of a fund raiser for Bush.
Archer held a meeting with the task force Oct. 20 and once more backed off the stricter limits. On the same day, Tom Loeffler, a former Texas Congressman hired as a Washington lobbyist for Metabolife, contributed $25,000 to the Bush gubernatorial campaign. Loeffler, a mentor for Bush, has given $141,000 to his gubernatorial races and raised at least $100,000 for his presidential bid. He did not return phone calls seeking comment. Nor did his partner Jonas. For his part, Wentworth told TIME, "I'm not aware of any coordinating of contributions to get a meeting with Dr. Archer." (Months later, after news reports that Ellis and Blevins had been convicted years earlier of drug-related offenses totally unconnected to their work in the herbal industry, the Bush campaign returned their donations.)
Where was Bush during these negotiations? According to copies of his calendar, he met with Archer in mid-July and mid-September--key junctures in the ephedrine negotiations. He twice saw Wentworth at political events during this period. But a spokesman in the Governor's office said Bush did not get involved in Archer's deliberations and had no discussions with Metabolife's lawyers about ephedrine. Wentworth says he never raised the issue with Bush.
As the package was prepared for formal presentation in November 1998, Texas' chief of food and drug safety under Archer was worried. The chief, Dennis Baker, called the softer proposals "quite disturbing" in comments e-mailed to Archer. "The rules as currently written," he wrote, "would only serve to facilitate marketing of ephedrine products at the expense of public health." By the time regulations were approved in May 1999, Archer decided to take no position on dosage limits. Such limits would imply that ephedrine products were safe at certain levels. But he did allow the industry to carry a label that warned about "exceeding" the recommended dosage, as if staying below it would not cause any problems to consumers. In fact, as Archer's aides pointed out in memos, 90% of the health problems reported in Texas have occurred after the consumer took the directed amount of product--or less.
Archer would not comment on the ephedrine regulatory regimen. But his agency spokesman, Doug McBride, says Archer describes the rules as a "starting point. We have something where nothing existed before." While industry seemed to dominate the rulemaking, McBride notes that a doctor and a consumer representative sit on Archer's board, which gave final approval to the rules. And he contends there was no connection between Archer's actions and industry contributions to Bush's campaigns. Perhaps it is instructive, though, that when Bush posted a list of Pioneers, those who raised at least $100,000 in 1999 for his White House quest, a new name came up: Craig Keeland, president of Youngevity Inc. of Dallas. Youngevity was not among the companies lobbying in 1998, but its products include Fat Metabolizer 2001+, which contains ephedrine.
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Heck of a read, Presser. Thanks for sharing. 
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Where will the govt go next???
Maybe they will ban aspirin because it is commonly used in an ECA stack.
Sorry but this crap has gotten out of hand.
They ban what improves a person yet they allow cigarettes to kill millions of people....Yes thank you FDA
Maybe they will ban aspirin because it is commonly used in an ECA stack.
Sorry but this crap has gotten out of hand.
They ban what improves a person yet they allow cigarettes to kill millions of people....Yes thank you FDA
Stickler*
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GGGRRR!!
first of all... i'm ashamed to hear the sen. biden is responsible for most of this crap.. he annoys me to no end...
.... ... i can't even begin to talk about this ... i really can't... i think if professional baseball is the reason for all of these problems.. (according to the senate committee)... i think we should just downright ban baseball...
i mean c'mon... let's face it... i think the originator's of baseball were proud that it was the only sport other then SUMO wrestling where you could eat bad, drink alot, smoke, be OBESE, and still break a home run record, or win a world series..
i love baseball.... but let's face it.. BABE RUTH was no saint.. and he wasn't into prohormones... more like hotdogs, cigars, and hookers!... NOT TO MENTION HIS BOURBON...
... so the summary is what.... either we ban baseball, not allow anyone under the age of 21 watch baseball (to get influenced by the pro's uses of hormone PRECURSORS!)... or .. uh ... ... once again...
there's no real legitimacy behind my post on this topic.. pisses me off so bad.. i can't think straight... .... ok.. no i'm REALLY off to the gym...
damn... for god's sake... i want to work on banning TAMPONS... which have been linked to women getting CERVICAL CANCER.... plus i think women wearing diapers instead of tucking that thing away would make us all that much more attracted to them... . (kinda like pro-hormones... men take them to be more mentally/physically attractive ... or for whatever reason.. to better themselves)...
who votes for ban the TAMPON, .. i wanna see add's for lady's diapers replace tampons on the shelves...
.... eh... makin' no sense.. peace
first of all... i'm ashamed to hear the sen. biden is responsible for most of this crap.. he annoys me to no end...
.... ... i can't even begin to talk about this ... i really can't... i think if professional baseball is the reason for all of these problems.. (according to the senate committee)... i think we should just downright ban baseball...
i mean c'mon... let's face it... i think the originator's of baseball were proud that it was the only sport other then SUMO wrestling where you could eat bad, drink alot, smoke, be OBESE, and still break a home run record, or win a world series..
i love baseball.... but let's face it.. BABE RUTH was no saint.. and he wasn't into prohormones... more like hotdogs, cigars, and hookers!... NOT TO MENTION HIS BOURBON...
... so the summary is what.... either we ban baseball, not allow anyone under the age of 21 watch baseball (to get influenced by the pro's uses of hormone PRECURSORS!)... or .. uh ... ... once again...
there's no real legitimacy behind my post on this topic.. pisses me off so bad.. i can't think straight... .... ok.. no i'm REALLY off to the gym...
damn... for god's sake... i want to work on banning TAMPONS... which have been linked to women getting CERVICAL CANCER.... plus i think women wearing diapers instead of tucking that thing away would make us all that much more attracted to them... . (kinda like pro-hormones... men take them to be more mentally/physically attractive ... or for whatever reason.. to better themselves)...
who votes for ban the TAMPON, .. i wanna see add's for lady's diapers replace tampons on the shelves...
.... eh... makin' no sense.. peace
FUCK YEAH MAN!!! I am down with women wearing diapers, or better yet how about wearing nothing around that time of month
if they got the NEED then BLEED! where ever whenever, yeah stickler ur ther man,lol,
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU BRO
BUT I MUST SAY I MISSED UR POSTING, MAKES ME LAUGH MAN, KINDA LIKE WHEN U POSTED UR LAST PICS
if they got the NEED then BLEED! where ever whenever, yeah stickler ur ther man,lol,
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU BRO
BUT I MUST SAY I MISSED UR POSTING, MAKES ME LAUGH MAN, KINDA LIKE WHEN U POSTED UR LAST PICS
Stickler*
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ok ok....
I'm glad I'm a clown.... I'm glad I'm funny to you...
Alright fucker.. first of all... let's get a few things straight....
I've seen you in person... I've played a round of pool or two w/ you... you're not THAT big.... well .. at least not SO big, that I can't run faster then you if need be...
Just kidding bro... I'm fucked up... always have been.... was before I married sasha.... and probably more fucked up then I am now.... regardless, you need to know one thing.. diapers are hot...
NOT ....
And uh... .... time to add some protein to ice and some rasberry stoli... AH.... just like the good ol' days... remember those drink recipies Press?
.... Glad to be home... and hopefully we'll get things rolling again... need to post about important things... as welll as stupid things.... ... (i'm good at those... ) ....
I'm glad I'm a clown.... I'm glad I'm funny to you...
Alright fucker.. first of all... let's get a few things straight....
I've seen you in person... I've played a round of pool or two w/ you... you're not THAT big.... well .. at least not SO big, that I can't run faster then you if need be...
Just kidding bro... I'm fucked up... always have been.... was before I married sasha.... and probably more fucked up then I am now.... regardless, you need to know one thing.. diapers are hot...
NOT ....
And uh... .... time to add some protein to ice and some rasberry stoli... AH.... just like the good ol' days... remember those drink recipies Press?
.... Glad to be home... and hopefully we'll get things rolling again... need to post about important things... as welll as stupid things.... ... (i'm good at those...
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