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da_Fonz said:
Why don't I like dobies around kids?
Because I'm a responsible dog owner.
Big dogs should not be in the same home as kids. Period. If my sisters pup goes crazy one day the most damage he'll do to a kid is a little bite, no harm done. If my dobie ever wanted to go crazy on a kid he could/might kill him.
You want kids and dogs in the same house? Get a Lab, a golden retriever, a small puppy like my sister has.
Why risk it? You can never trust a big dog 100%. Anyone who does is a moron.
OMG Zylo, i have to disagree with you 100% on that bro. I have always been around big dogs growing up like rotties, shepards, etc. And if the dog is properly trained a problem wont ever occur, period.
What i can tell you is that if u feel that way bro, u shouldnt have a dog period b/c your hesitant in thinking you know how to handle a dog. It doesnt matter whether or not you took him to the best facilities in the world to have him trained if you fear your dog and I think you do by making a statement like that you shouldnt have one.
Ohhhhhh geezz, this is why certain dogs get a bad rap. Because ppl dont know how to raise them let alone handle them. I've seen shepards be great fmaily dogs, where they protect a small 5 yr old boy from a deadly snake in the same snadbox where the boy is playing. And I've seen the same breed attack a child b/c the dog was NOT properly rasied due to his owners.
I'm sorry fitchick and zylo but i couldnt dissagree with you both more.
There are no such things as bad dogs just bad owners.
What i can tell you is that if u feel that way bro, u shouldnt have a dog period b/c your hesitant in thinking you know how to handle a dog. It doesnt matter whether or not you took him to the best facilities in the world to have him trained if you fear your dog and I think you do by making a statement like that you shouldnt have one.
Ohhhhhh geezz, this is why certain dogs get a bad rap. Because ppl dont know how to raise them let alone handle them. I've seen shepards be great fmaily dogs, where they protect a small 5 yr old boy from a deadly snake in the same snadbox where the boy is playing. And I've seen the same breed attack a child b/c the dog was NOT properly rasied due to his owners.
I'm sorry fitchick and zylo but i couldnt dissagree with you both more.
There are no such things as bad dogs just bad owners.
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da_Fonz said:
I feel that this is exactly the kind of thinking that leads to people getting hurt by dogs.
da_Fonz said:
You're right. That's why I do not allow little kids around my dogs and I muzzle them when they go out for walks. I'm one of the good owners.
Anyhow, I don't really feel like arguing, expecially with such a great bro' like you. I don't appreciate you calling me a bad owner when I know I am responsible, take precautions and have full control of my dogs.
I appreciate your advice in my cutting cycle thread though! Thank you. I posted another question for you there
I'm trying to get this cutting thing nailed down and I need all the help I can get from experienced bro's because I'm pretty new to hardcore cutting.
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WOW I have no idea how i got involved in this whole thing.
My comment was simply suggesting I would choose a Burnese Mountain Dog if I were to get a dog.
However it is a proven fact that dogs have different temperments.
Different Dogs have specific traits that are linked to the breed.
Border Collies herd sheep. They continue their herding instinct even in a family home.
Rotweillers were bred to protect. They have a protection instinct.
I don't believe that it is the dogs fault that it attacks people. I think it is about irresponsible owners. The sad fact is that alot of the wrong owners choose dogs such as Rotweillers, Pitbulls because of their rough and tough image.
As far as believing theres no such thing as bad dogs just bad owners and if the dog is properly trained a problem wont ever occur, period I disagree. Dogs have instincts. Dogs react to situations differently. Dogs have different temperments. To think that your dog is never going to do anything wrong is the wrong attitude. It makes you oblivious to what could happen depending on situations.
In Ontario they have banned the sale of pitbulls. And i agree with this. The fact is if you look at the statistics there are way more attacks involving pitbulls than any other dog breed. Whether it is the owner or the dog or a combination of both something is occurring which caused a huge number of attacks and deaths.
I just think that you have to choose the breed that is best for your family and your situation. If I had kids i would choose a smaller dog or a dog that has a more relaxed temperment.
www.akc.org has a list of breeds and temperments if anyone is interested.
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My comment was simply suggesting I would choose a Burnese Mountain Dog if I were to get a dog.
However it is a proven fact that dogs have different temperments.
Different Dogs have specific traits that are linked to the breed.
Border Collies herd sheep. They continue their herding instinct even in a family home.
Rotweillers were bred to protect. They have a protection instinct.
I don't believe that it is the dogs fault that it attacks people. I think it is about irresponsible owners. The sad fact is that alot of the wrong owners choose dogs such as Rotweillers, Pitbulls because of their rough and tough image.
As far as believing theres no such thing as bad dogs just bad owners and if the dog is properly trained a problem wont ever occur, period I disagree. Dogs have instincts. Dogs react to situations differently. Dogs have different temperments. To think that your dog is never going to do anything wrong is the wrong attitude. It makes you oblivious to what could happen depending on situations.
In Ontario they have banned the sale of pitbulls. And i agree with this. The fact is if you look at the statistics there are way more attacks involving pitbulls than any other dog breed. Whether it is the owner or the dog or a combination of both something is occurring which caused a huge number of attacks and deaths.
I just think that you have to choose the breed that is best for your family and your situation. If I had kids i would choose a smaller dog or a dog that has a more relaxed temperment.
www.akc.org has a list of breeds and temperments if anyone is interested.
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IN DEFENSE OF PITS
i agree with both of ou guys on this...sort of. i have a 17month old pitbull named tank. and to be 100% honest, i got a pitbull because of thier build, loyalty, and from being around them i learned they basically become whatever thier owner wants them to...they are that loyal.
there's no doubt in my mind that tank could kill my little sister, he puts his paws on her shoulders and they "dance " all the time when i go to thier house. whenever i have people over he LOVES to play with them, and has never come close to biting someone. one thing that makes them great FAMILY dogs is thier extreme pain tolerance. i've had him around babies and they crawl all over him, pull and twist his ears and tail, hit his nose, kiss his face. he has taken all of it. on the other hand when i took him over to a friends house who has an older pit his dog bit tank on the nose and tank fought bac like a mother fucker and almost killed his dog by biting him on the neck and holding him down. it was scary as hell. he's also killed opossums in my backyard. one time i ws taking him for a walk and we got attacked by three other dogs. they were circling us and nipping at his heels and trying to bite me. i have a leash that i made for him from a chain and i was swinging that all around yelling at the other dogs. finally the owner of one of the ogs came out and got his dog and took the other two to thier owner's house...but never sid a fucking thing to me...no sorry, or are you ok, nothing! i yelled at him that his dog fucking started it and if i would have let mine off the leash all 3 of thier dogs would be dead. and these dogs were the typical family dogs...1 golden retriever, 1 black lab and 1 yellow lab. i agree that dogs have natural tendencies from years of breeding, but i also think the owner i the most important person in raising and controlling his dog correctly and safely. if you feel you cannot trust/control your dog, who you raised from a puppy, then what does that say about you as an owner (that's not an attack on you zylo, just a general opinion). i feel i have complete control over tank, he responds to everything i say on command. i trust him more than almost every person i know.
i agree with both of ou guys on this...sort of. i have a 17month old pitbull named tank. and to be 100% honest, i got a pitbull because of thier build, loyalty, and from being around them i learned they basically become whatever thier owner wants them to...they are that loyal.
there's no doubt in my mind that tank could kill my little sister, he puts his paws on her shoulders and they "dance " all the time when i go to thier house. whenever i have people over he LOVES to play with them, and has never come close to biting someone. one thing that makes them great FAMILY dogs is thier extreme pain tolerance. i've had him around babies and they crawl all over him, pull and twist his ears and tail, hit his nose, kiss his face. he has taken all of it. on the other hand when i took him over to a friends house who has an older pit his dog bit tank on the nose and tank fought bac like a mother fucker and almost killed his dog by biting him on the neck and holding him down. it was scary as hell. he's also killed opossums in my backyard. one time i ws taking him for a walk and we got attacked by three other dogs. they were circling us and nipping at his heels and trying to bite me. i have a leash that i made for him from a chain and i was swinging that all around yelling at the other dogs. finally the owner of one of the ogs came out and got his dog and took the other two to thier owner's house...but never sid a fucking thing to me...no sorry, or are you ok, nothing! i yelled at him that his dog fucking started it and if i would have let mine off the leash all 3 of thier dogs would be dead. and these dogs were the typical family dogs...1 golden retriever, 1 black lab and 1 yellow lab. i agree that dogs have natural tendencies from years of breeding, but i also think the owner i the most important person in raising and controlling his dog correctly and safely. if you feel you cannot trust/control your dog, who you raised from a puppy, then what does that say about you as an owner (that's not an attack on you zylo, just a general opinion). i feel i have complete control over tank, he responds to everything i say on command. i trust him more than almost every person i know.
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another thing, why do we hear about attcks that pitbulls are involved in more than other dogs?...because their jaws are so strong when they bite they do DAMAGE! if that bichon friese bites someone they will only need a stitch or 2 at the most but if tank chooses to go after someone...goodnight. but pits weren't bred to be people aggressive. back when they used to fight them, the owners would be in the ring with the dogs holding a breaking stick to break the dogs appart when needed. the pits you hear about biting people are either, crazy, defending themselves/property/onwners or other people, or spooked. when a pit gets spooked, like i said before, thier jaws will do serious damage when a bichon friese would not do thesame amount of damage under the same circumstances.
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believe it or not fitchick, all dogs were breed for a specific purpose...to kill or maim. Even the smallest dogs were breed with killing in mind....consider the fact that natural instincts for dogs are to hunt and track down as well as protect themselvs. Welsch Corgies, dtchsons all of them...weaather it be killing vermine or other dogs...irish wolfhounds....breed to kill woves, pyreenese were breed to guard and protect sheep...just like rottweilers except rotties were originallly breed to protect cattle on the way to market. They are known as the butchers dogs...no they were not ever meant to be fierce attack guards intent on killing people. Thye were escorts for cattle and then after the cattle were delivered they would b given the charge of carrying the money as a saafe guard. I have owned so many of these, breed them and sold them as show dogs to be entered into show and none of my dogs have ben raised as attack specific oriented dogs. You will have to trust me Zylo on this one...i have been breeding and raising these animals most likely longer than many of you on this forum have been alive....this is experience tlking. I mean you no disrespect but zylo, if an owner is afraid of his or her own dog then they have no place owning a dog in the first place.
irishpride
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i have to agree with dafonz,flex and ugly mdtnt..i have rescued abused dobies,pitts etc and they all turned out to be the most loving carin anilmals i ever owned..i had a standard poodle growin up and that bastard would bite anyone but the supposed vicious dogs i rescued wouldnt hurt a fly..i now own a 143# presa canerio who i have had since he was 7 weeks old and he is gentle as can be..i have nieces and nephews taht litterlly ride on his back and jump all over him..when he has enough he just gets up and walks away,...it is how you raise them and they need you in command..my presa has a bad rap do to those drug dealin pieces of shit in cali that let the dogs maul that poor lady..but my dog wouldnt hurt a fly..(unless i told him too)
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im going to add my .02 here.
as a former insurance salesman back in the day i believe all of you would be surprised to know that the #1 dog as far as bitting goes and uninsurable is a dalmation. they are rated worse than pitts and dobs when it comes to the amount of reportable bites per year.
i also was planning on adopting a greyhound, a dog that is thought of as being very gentle but after doing alot of research i found out that they are not recommended for homes with small children or cats. they have a natural preditory instinct that can cause them to turn in an instant on a cat or small child.
yes i feel that if trained properly you can successfully have a rott or pitt in a household with kids but its natural predetory instinct could come out at any time if provoked in just the right way.
i also know from experience from years of riding bikes when i was younger that the only dogs to ever bite me were small dogs such as poddles and those type like shown in the pictures earlier in this thread.
i guess you could say that after all this i agree & disagree with what has been said.
as a former insurance salesman back in the day i believe all of you would be surprised to know that the #1 dog as far as bitting goes and uninsurable is a dalmation. they are rated worse than pitts and dobs when it comes to the amount of reportable bites per year.
i also was planning on adopting a greyhound, a dog that is thought of as being very gentle but after doing alot of research i found out that they are not recommended for homes with small children or cats. they have a natural preditory instinct that can cause them to turn in an instant on a cat or small child.
yes i feel that if trained properly you can successfully have a rott or pitt in a household with kids but its natural predetory instinct could come out at any time if provoked in just the right way.
i also know from experience from years of riding bikes when i was younger that the only dogs to ever bite me were small dogs such as poddles and those type like shown in the pictures earlier in this thread.
i guess you could say that after all this i agree & disagree with what has been said.
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Pincrusher said:
it's natural predatory instinct is not to kill people. i wouldn't leave tank alone in a room with the kittens for a long time because he's a dog and dogs were bred to be predators...but what person would breed a dog to naturally kill people??? that makes no sense. name one dog that was bred to kill people? yes they are territorial and will protect their property and the ones they love but dogs were never bred to just kill people.
i also agree with IP, the only time i was bit by a dog was when i reached down to pet my neighbors little white dog...kind of like zylo's sister's. it bit my hand and i had to get 2 stitches.
another thing, tank has NEVER started shit with another dog. when i take him out though he gets barked at all the time by other dogs. it's rediculous that people put such a label on a dog most of them have never even fucking been around. go play with a pitbull and i promise you, you will want one of your own. there is not a better dog.
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