short tren cycle

[Powderguy]

Demid22- I think its great your asking for advice and actually listening, I give you props for that and after all is said you will have the best advice and knowledge from everyone here. No if I may I would like to add my opinion to this, keep in mind I have many cycles under my belt and without them I would never be as large as I am now, but with good advice I am healthy and all my cycles have been spaced apart and I have trained properly. I will say short cycles are best for cutting.
Tren is a harsh first time substance to use, my best advice avoid it until you know how to control your emotions (temper and attitude) on AAS.
A good start cycle should consist of a test base substance-test E, test Cyp, test p, EQ (yes this is test base). Add an oral that works with your goals and limit it use to no more than 6 weeks-You will do harm to your body whether you see it or not.
EAT Clean, do not eat garbage- Workout hard- This is the basic fundamentals.
Now you asked about injections- Spotinjections.com is a good place to go for pictures and resource info. You can also research human anatomy so you know where vital veins and fleshy parts of the body are, always aspirate (pull the plunger back to see bubbles, not blood in the syringe).

Now what are your goals? What do you wish to obtain by switching to AAS from PH's and peptides?

 

[demid22]

Alright thank you powder guy. That was awesome. Firstly, Im a nurse (no not a cna, i cant stand when cna's say theyre nurses) so im pretty knowledgeable about where major veins are. Anywho so how does a test prop and dbol cycle sound?

I would like to see some bf % loss. While possibly adding some lean muscle. On a 2 week cycle i cant expect too much but 5-8 lbs would be nice.
That and PH are extremly liver toxic.

What else would i really need? Some sources are saying i wouldnt need anything else as its so short it would negatively effect me. Hell some are even say no PCT is needed on such a short cycle..but i think this is bullshit. Just trying to figure everything out and not be a dumbass who screws himself up. thanks guys.

 

[South4478]

Again... Don't waste your time and money on a "2week cycle"...... And if you do, you definilty don't need to waste money on PCT

 

[Minima]

Also you gotta understand 2-4 weeks is not going to illicit 5 to 8 lbs of real lean muscle tissue, understanding(as you probably do) naturally we can only put on 10lbs of lean tissue a year and that declines over the years. Even with the help of AAS you still may only see an extra 10 or 20 lbs a year running 3 long cycles a year and again those numbers decrease over time. I know most of us read or hear about certain people on the Internet or YouTube or whatever about putting on 30 lbs in 12 weeks and shit just doesn't work that way. It doesn't matter how much gas you put in the tank when it's full it's full and same goes for gear and muscle gains there becomes a point of diminishing return and 4 weeks just won't cut it for what your wanting.

 

[demid22]

So how would a test dbol cycle sound for a first? What would it look like? Length...
Dosing...pct....supports...

 

[Minima]

Simple enough. Something like 12-15 weeks test E or C at 500 mg per weeks 250 an injection two injections a wk I.e. 250 Monday and 250 thursday. I'd do dbol around 30 - 50 mg a day for week 1-4 you shouldn't need any AI for this low of a test dose seeing sides this low is very uncommon. Nolva bloat and aqua dex from mc store can be your pct you can also do hcg if you like my first cycle I didn't just so I could see how a normal pct with just nolva and adex would go

 

[Presser]

Again... Don't waste your time and money on a "2week cycle"...... And if you do, you definilty don't need to waste money on PCT

this!!

 

[Powderguy]

Alright thank you powder guy. That was awesome. Firstly, Im a nurse (no not a cna, i cant stand when cna's say theyre nurses) so im pretty knowledgeable about where major veins are. Anywho so how does a test prop and dbol cycle sound?

I would like to see some bf % loss. While possibly adding some lean muscle. On a 2 week cycle i cant expect too much but 5-8 lbs would be nice.
That and PH are extremly liver toxic.

What else would i really need? Some sources are saying i wouldnt need anything else as its so short it would negatively effect me. Hell some are even say no PCT is needed on such a short cycle..but i think this is bullshit. Just trying to figure everything out and not be a dumbass who screws himself up. thanks guys.

So what you need- First lets get off the short cycle mindset. Shortest I would run would be 8 weeks.
So you need PCT, your full cycle AAS, plenty of healthy food (rid your home of junk food) and as a Nurse I know you eat junk.
There are some AAS that are liver toxic as well even more so that PH.
So I only in my opinion would recommend this based on what you said:
Test Prop 100mg EOD (every other day) weeks 1-8
Dbol 40mg day divided into 2 doses AM and PM weeks 1-4
Nolva 20mgs day weeks 1-4.
Your Pct can start 5 days after your last test prop shot.
100mg clomid divided 50mgs x 2 daily for 2 weeks
You can use HCG/ Nolva/Clomid etc. The others can chime in and help determine whats best for you as I use high dose HCG so im guessing when I say 1500. for a beginner.
You may gain some weight on this, but like it was mentioned your body can take so much muscle mass at a time, in addition this is a good start to see how you handle it. If you cant handle the EOD injections then its probably not for you.
You can do a test c. or E cycle but that will be much longer cycle..so let us know your thoughts and again thanks for looking for advice from us.

HCG or nolva

 

[demid22]

Awesome awesome. This is all great advice and I appreciate you all helping this newb along. Im going to continue researching as I still have much to learn. I do still have a couple questions, and my further research I might find the answer, but Ill ask here just in case.

1) what is this purpose of running Nolva at the start? Im coming from PHs so im used to only running it during PCT. Just a little confused. Im sure there is a reason, Im just curious as to what it is.

2) I keep getting and finding mixed opinions on the peptides. As I stated previously, I am currently on ghrp2/Mod GRF and IGF DES/IGF LR3. Would it be benifical to continue running these through the cycle? Or just keep them for PCT? If through the cycle, then what is the dosing protocol? Does it have to be any length of time away from the test injection or dbol admin?

Thank you all so very much for your help. This has been great and very informative. I appreciate it. =D


edit: I know I ran clomid once during a PH cycle.. and omg...I hated it. Maybe what i got was bunk, so I actually ended up running nothing for PCT..who knows.

 

[demid22]

Oh and do injections need to be Bi-Lateral or just all of it in one?

 

[demid22]

Bump for the noob

 

[Presser]

all in one is fine for the gear, and even peptides, but which are you asking or?

 

[demid22]

For the test prop. I usually do bilat for igf.

 

[Presser]

for the test prop just all in one spot bro, no need to split it up

 

[Powderguy]

what he said ^^

 

[Presser]

you get that demid?

 

[demid22]

yea thanks. been hectic lately with the crazy weather here. Just waiting for everything to come in now. I was looking into running letro along side this stuff? Good idea? Im seeing mixed reviews, but someone seems to think all the bad opinions are from people taking too much. .5mg eod is enough. What do you all think?

 

[Presser]

yea thanks. been hectic lately with the crazy weather here. Just waiting for everything to come in now. I was looking into running letro along side this stuff? Good idea? Im seeing mixed reviews, but someone seems to think all the bad opinions are from people taking too much. .5mg eod is enough. What do you all think?

idk bro thats your call, i wouldn't ever run letro throughout my cycle,

 

[demid22]

Im just researching it. It seems its use as an anti-e? Im not sure i would need that, with running clomid

 

[Presser]

Im just researching it. It seems its use as an anti-e? Im not sure i would need that, with running clomid

research away brutha, lets us know what you decide, and how you liked the cycle,