Sustanon

[BAMA1212]

What's up? I've been juicing for 10 yrs and counting, and still learning as I go. Over the years I have ran across some stuff I really like and then on the other hand have done some stuff that I guess my body does not agree with, for example Sustanon, I've heard great things about the compound, but me personally I cant run it I guess, my experience with Sustanon was a nightmare. The very 1st time I tried it, about 5 days after the 1st shot, my joints ached really bad, I felt like shit really really bad, it passed after a few hours, so shot #2 ended up doing the exact same thing to me, so I stopped it. So last summer I decide to give sust another try, and yep the same exact thing, it was so bad one day, I had to come home from work one day and get in the bed, felt as if I were dying, so I haven't tried it anymore. Is this something people have heard of? Was I taking it wrong? Or what? I really would like to run it, but if my body is allergic to something in it, I guess not. Any advice on this would greatly be appreciated. Thanks

 

[Userat204]

Sustano is just test nothing else but you have 4 esters releasing at different times which was intended to be used for TRT at one time. I've had a love hate with sustanon as a youngster and listening to gym bs I ran it every other day because ppl said to sue to the propionate ester in it but then another time I used 1 gram per week with only injecting one day a week which I picked Monday and for me that seemed to work very well which is a higher dose than most ppl ever need but I've tried it every day, every other, 3 x a week, 2x a week and 1 time a week. When I used it at 500mg 1x a week I felt sluggish all the time etc. I have to donate blood as often as I can on gear and stay away from anadrol and eq because my hematocrit and hemoglobin get to high way to fast but others its not so bad I can deal with donating every 52 days or whatever the time limit is but sustanon is just something you need to figure out on your own. The best thing you can do with all gear is maintain stable blood levels so including say TE, in theory you should be able to inject once a week based on half life but people metabolize drugs differently and you are really on a rollercoaster imo on TE one time a week you inject and it raises then it starts to crash then a you inject again and it starts to increase again so how do you maintain 4 different esters releasing T into your body at different times. Daily is the best you can do with any steroid because it's going to be more stable and more of a pain in the ass to inject every day. Every other day can become a pain as well but again That's more stable then once a week as well.

I'm this way with tren ace which I quit using tren a couple years ago but I felt horrible unless I used it daily and I would end up dosing 100mg daily and have incredible results but no matter what after 8 to 10 weeks of tren for me I felt like my body was toxic, I don't know another way to explain it so I would use it daily for 8 to 10 weeks, then take 4 off then do another round of 8 to 10 weeks but I ran my test steadily no matter which ester the entire time.

Sustanon can be a great compound to grow from but again everyone is different and their bodies respond different to specific esters as far as metabolizing the actual hormone etc so some things to me you just stay away from if you have bad experiences from it. But it sounds like maybe its to much t for you or to much fluctuation in the release from the different esters. The only time I ever felt sick or had a temp and swelling was a first cycle with denkall 400mg TE it made my cheek swell up so big it looked like two different ppl and I could only deal with it once a week I was in college and couldn't sit in the chairs and would feel sick but would still go to the gym. After 4 weeks of once a week injecting 1ml my body got use to it and I felt fine but I never used it again. I've made my own test 300 mg and bought plenty and prefer 300 mg to 250 so I can inject less oil per injection but I never again felt like I did on that and I've tried most everything and used it every way you can think of.

Anadrol instantly gave me bad headaches and nose bleeds but I found out it was more to do with my way to high RBC's and the hemoglobin and hematocrit that go with it so I stuck to dbol or turanibol or sdrol and var for orals and no eq for me but deca and Npp I feel great using. Its boring using the same compounds all the time. I may switch up esters occasionally but really with gear you need to maintain blood levels and some people just don't agree with certain compounds just like I know lots of guys who hate T prop and claim short esters are painful but I've never experienced that issue. It seems like these days most gear is made pretty smooth and I don't know what changed but even using oils like fractionated coconut oil which I love, those same friends still can't deal with using short esters and say injections are to painful which I don't understand because typically pain is only going to come from bad placement of injections or at times to much oil in specific areas or gear not made right crashing in depot and leaving hormones crystallized in your muscle which then causes a bunch of inflammation and pain but that should be rare these days but some of these blends ppl want like t prop/tren ace/mast p all at 100 mg each per ml so 300 mg/ml is likely going to be painful. I'm not much for blends when you can just use them separate and increase or decrease doses as you go but I personally live mast with any cycle just for its effect on shgb and I always appear bigger when using it even though its really a weak steroid but I guess it makes me look harder and more vascular so I always look bigger but I stay at a low bf % not competition size but I just don't hold much bf and never have and typically don't hold a lot of water weight. Sometimes I can get a little face bloating on high dose deca after 20 weeks if I'm not using an AI to control estro which then in turn makes prolactin even worse so adex or aromisin and some caber and I'm good but I think it was just the fluctuation of esters releasing t at different times that for whatever reason your body didn't agree with and its possible it made your estro high very quick as well, its hard to say but I do think some people just can't use certain compounds even though it was all just test

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[Mountain_Man]

Some people get flu like symptoms from sust.no one really knows why it's Nick named(test flu) best guess I have heard is the body is.reacting to the injection like it's a virus so you produce more white blood cells to attack the oil thereby causing u to feel like you have the flu.bit any test can do this on cyp I get the symptoms but no where like you are experiencing.

 

[BAMA1212]

Yea, I did have a friend of mine mention maybe doing a 1/2ML each time, but to be honest, the way that stuff made me feel, I havnt tried that, I said the hell with it all, but I might could try it, just at real low doses.

 

[Mountain_Man]

If it made me feel the way it's doing u i would never touch the stuff agin

 

[BAMA1212]

If it made me feel the way it's doing u i would never touch the stuff agin

Yea, mountain man, your right, have you ever heard of such?

 

[Presser]

moving to proper forum now, I will leave a redirect link in Articles forum for a few days

 

[Mountain_Man]

Yea, mountain man, your right, have you ever heard of such?

Yes look at my reply above about test flu

 

[Userat204]

Yup that's what it sounds like is what people call Test Flu. I don't know the exact cause of it but that denkall 400 mg TE made me feel like I had test flu every inject for the first 4 weeks then I was ok buy I never have experienced anything like that again. And I think it was because it was my first cycle ever and I guess my body wasn't use to the influx of hormone and that was its response but I know I was miserable. I pushed thru and it got better but 4 weeks of complete hell.

After that I never had any issue ever again with any hormone or ester or dose. But with you not being new to gear you shouldn't experience test flu but since its a different compound with so many esters, I'm assuming your body just didn't respond well to it and sounds like it essentially caused test flu or the symptoms that gave it Its name. You could try it again in lower doses like u mentioned .5ml eod or something like that. Or I would just stay away from it and stick to a single ester of T that works for you.

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[drtbear1967]

I would be interested in know what esters of test you have used and if you had the same effects on certain ones. All that Sustanon is different test esters.

 

[im62533]

Yeah just sounds like one of the different esters doesn't agree with your body. Better off just finding a single test ester that agrees with your body. I had that happen before some ph's were banned with oral tren. Broke out in rashes all over lol. I've ran sus before and am right now and never have those kind of issues. I did use to do 2x a week inject and found i had more pain in the area from the larger amount. I now pin .5cc eod and it is working way better for me.

 

[drtbear1967]

Yeah just sounds like one of the different esters doesn't agree with your body. Better off just finding a single test ester that agrees with your body. I had that happen before some ph's were banned with oral tren. Broke out in rashes all over lol. I've ran sus before and am right now and never have those kind of issues. I did use to do 2x a week inject and found i had more pain in the area from the larger amount. I now pin .5cc eod and it is working way better for me.

I run my rig under hot water for about a minute and it warms up the oil and it is smooth as silk.

 

[im62533]

I run my rig under hot water for about a minute and it warms up the oil and it is smooth as silk.

Yeah I do that with everything. Especially the igf since I keep that in the fridge.

 

[chihuahua]

It's been about 15 years since I've used sus. I never had the symptoms you have described. What brand are you using?

 

[Mountain_Man]

It happens with alot of guy bam and sust seems to be what most guys get the test flu from or back in the day sten amps made alot of guys feel like hell too.

 

[Mountain_Man]

Yea, I did have a friend of mine mention maybe doing a 1/2ML each time, but to be honest, the way that stuff made me feel, I havnt tried that, I said the hell with it all, but I might could try it, just at real low doses.

Hey BAMA found this for you it should help

Test Flu” – What it is and what to do

All of us at one time or another has experienced “Test Flu” in our cycles. I want to give some insight to educate the community and give some possible remedies in helping relieve the symptoms. So you can get the most out of your cycle.

First, what is “Test Flu”? It is not an official diagnosis that a physician would label, but a term that is associated with the flu because of the similarity of symptoms. The symptoms have a rapid onset. Often starts with the onset of low grade fever, headache, fatigue, and body aches. Not in that exact order or even all the symptoms listed may occur. Listed below are a few symptoms you may be experiencing:
• fever (low grade)
• severe aches and pains in the joints and muscles
• generalized weakness
• fatigue
• headache
• dry cough
• sore throat and watery discharge from your nose

“Test Flu” varies from individual to individual based on their immune system. It’s the intercorelation between your immune system and your endocrine. If you overload one then the other responds unfavorably. It’s your body’s auto immune response to the foreign substance that has entered your body and caused and influx of hormones. Your body sees the large increase as foreign and tries to get rid of it. Triggering an inflammatory response and raising you metabolism. Once your body builds its resistance to it, the symptoms relieve or even resolve. This usually takes a week or so.

“Test Flu” doesn’t necessarily mean your gear is dirty or that it’s good to go either. That’s more of an urban legend than truth.

Generally, the “Test Flu” is far more common with the short ester preparations like propionate. If you are using TestE then maybe consider to change to Test Cyp
A good rule of thumb is the shorter the carboxylic acid chain, then the greater degree of possible tissue irritation that can trigger the auto immune response. The reason being is these esters are acids, so they cause a localized reaction that the body reacts in a common defensive fashion and thus creating the “Test Flu”

Now this not always the case in every person because please remember we are all engineered differently. So everyone reacts differently to different things.

So what can we do to help to prevent or even reduce the symptoms in the meantime?
My OTC remedy is Vitamin C 4000mg in two split doses (2000mg in AM , 2000mg in PM) a day and Zinc 100mg in two split doses (50mg in AM, 50mg in PM) for a week and drop the dosages in half until symptoms subside. Drink plenty of water to ensure hydration which will also aid in recovery.

I hope this information was useful and helped the community

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I have never had test flu. I get a knot or too from the first couple pins of prop. And high mg stuff.
But I always have adjusted after first week and got uses to it.

Front loading I have heard guys get it them too.

Gear with impurities. There have been lots of guys get sick from gear that was contaminated with heavy medals. Don't think filtering helps this either, but not sure.

Tren in the other hand. I have gotten swollen lymph nodes first week of starting tren several times by my ears and jaw and under neck. More than once from good sources. It cleared in a week. Test makes me feel great especially when first coming on or with prop.

The response test flu that I refer is some guys can't handle their body can't the instant rise in hormones and immune system acts like there is an invader and doesn't like what is going on or the change within the body. Not bad gear just some gears or sensitive. Bad gear that is something else!!! I never hit I Batch that had anything except weak and wasted my time!

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[MightyJohn]

Have You ever done prop? Could be allergic to prop(which is in sos)a lot of people are allergic to that....gives flu symptoms

 

[deepak]

same thing happened with me when i did my first test e cycle .first 2-3 weeks were fine but after that my elbow joint pain was a nightmare specially at tricep workout finally i added some deca and glucosamine sulphate and it went perfect.

 

[BEASTZ6]

I cut my teeth, so to speak, on Sustanon (green nile amps) back in the day. Great stuff! The combination of different test esthers has a powerful synergistic effect that blew me up in size and strength. I am thinking about obtaining some sust raws and brewing up a batch.