jimbosmith316
MuscleChemistry
Which would you use and why?
Testosterone enanthate vs propionate
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The Dude
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I hate enanthate... it was the first one I used and it just sucks for looking good in my experience. That being said I HATE doing shots, but not as much as I hate not looking good. So as miserable as I'd be I would suck it up and do prop. As far as effectiveness.. prop hands down. It's not even remotely close.
Literally I wouldn't use enanthate if someone gave me some. If there was NOTHING else available I might do 100mg a week. Just so I didn't crash
Literally I wouldn't use enanthate if someone gave me some. If there was NOTHING else available I might do 100mg a week. Just so I didn't crash
Propionate hands down for me as well and Test Enanthate was also my first ever steroid, though if someone gave it to me for fre i would still use it unlike the dude lol,
Gains are dry, less bloating and most importantly if any type of gyno/estrogen issues should arise, ceasing the propionate can help much faster than enanthate
Gains are dry, less bloating and most importantly if any type of gyno/estrogen issues should arise, ceasing the propionate can help much faster than enanthate
jimbosmith316
MuscleChemistry
ED or EOD for Prop?
I do every other day (EOD) but obviously every day would be optimum for more stable levels, and in all honesty, i sometimes dont get a chance to take my propionate until the 3rd day as its not readily available to me as i cant keep it in house or work, and its still a better choice than enanthate for me!
jimbosmith316
MuscleChemistry
So for anyone doing their first cycle EOD would be a pretty good start? Of course IGF with it!
Masher59
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I choose prop as well but for cutting I'm more into the short esters. In the offseason I switch over to long esters just to take a break from all the damn pinning. It may just be in my head also but I think gains are better for me when switching up as well. I believe in keeping the body confused and I don't know if long and short esters do that but it makes sense in my mind anyway lol.
Mountain_Man
Hiatus
Pro if u don't mind regular injections
jimbosmith316
MuscleChemistry
The Dude
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean.. but in terms of total actual testosterone... propionate has more testosterone mg per mg than enanthate. It has to do with ester length. Enanthate obviously is a longer ester and takes up more space. In fact I believe the actual number are something around 89-91 mg of testosterone per 100mg of propionate where as enanthate is closed to 78-80mg of actual testosterone per 100mg.
Masher59
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Here ya go 3J you explained it in this article quite well.
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[h=1]Test Prop and Peak Value[/h]MUSCLE SCIENCE October 8, 2014 Clemdog
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by 3jsdiet.com
Let’s clear something up before we get into test prop itself – Testosterone is testosterone. The ester (oil) that is connected to testosterone does not change what testosterone is or does, but changes the rate of release the hormone undergoes in your body. Common esters are cyphoinate, enanthate, propionate, and acetate. Each of these esters have a half-life. By definition, a half-life is is the time it takes for a substance (drug, radioactive nuclide, or other) to lose one-half of its pharmacologic, physiologic, or radiological activity. We are worried about the pharmacological definition here. So, the half-life of testosterone cyp is about 10 days. If you inject 250mg of cyp, in 10 days there would be 125mg of it left of it in your system. The benefit of running test prop is its short half-life. The half-life of test prop is about 3-4 days. If you were to inject 100mg of test prop, in 3 days it would be about 50mg left in your system. Now that we have cleared that up, lets move on.
So what’s the difference between running test prop and test e or c? The answer is two things – peak value and duration of cycle. With all cycles you inject in a frequency that overlays the half-life, increasing the dosage every week until you reach your peak-value, the highest amount of testosterone that can be active in your body with the dosage you have chosen. Statistically, average test prop cycles do not reach the peak levels of average test c or e cycles due to the very short half-life of prop. At the same time, test prop will reach peak values much quicker than test e or c. An average test e or c cycle will reach peak levels around week 4-6 which is why the minimum for longer ester cycles is 10 weeks. But with test prop the peak value is reach in less than half the time, allowing for shorter and faster cycles. Test prop cycles can be as short as 6 weeks and average 8 weeks. Test c or e cycles run from 10 weeks up, averaging 12 weeks for most users. Furthermore, if something were to go wrong with your cycle, prop would be out of your system much quicker than test e or c. Many users claim that there are less side effects with the use of prop. The claims cannot be ignored since the ester is fast acting and, usually, the peak values of a prop cycle are lower than e or c (unless the user is running a higher dosage of prop), yet no specific credible research on the matter has been found.
With the 3 day half-life of test prop the most optimal frequency for injection would realistically be every day. Since the idea of injecting yourself every day is not something pleasant to most people, every other day injections have become the standard. While not “optimal” every other day injections have shown to be acceptable since, technically, the injection frequency should be 1.5 days or less. First time users of test prop should start with a moderate dosage of 50mg every other day. I have seen the safe use of test prop at up to 150mg eod or 75mg ed. Keep in mind that ancillary drugs like a-dex or armoasin should be kept on hand or ran to keep estrogen levels in check and proper post cycle therapy protocols should be ran to promote a speedy recovery after cycle.
OptimusPrimo
New member
I did E first cycle, and would recommend all new users to do the same. Simply because of initial pip and not having to open up multiple injection sites. Once I was more comfortable, I switched over to prop for my 2nd one. It really comes down to what your goal is, how high or little of a dosage you are going for, and what you intend to do.
During contest prep, it's always prop, simply because I can have it out of the system much quicker and allow myself to come in as dry as possible. Not to mention other compounds I run would be short ester as well. Overall, I tend to run low dose test, 150-200mg during cruise, and 300-350 during blast.
Another point of concern for the user is, how frequently are they willing to inject, how many sites they are willing to hit and have a good rotation, and what other esters they are running for other compounds. I like to combine my oils and get it all out in one pin, so if I'm running long ester compound like EQ or Tren alongside it, I'm going to be doing my test shot on the same day. Thus it would defeat the purpose of running prop alongside it for me from that standpoint.
During contest prep, it's always prop, simply because I can have it out of the system much quicker and allow myself to come in as dry as possible. Not to mention other compounds I run would be short ester as well. Overall, I tend to run low dose test, 150-200mg during cruise, and 300-350 during blast.
Another point of concern for the user is, how frequently are they willing to inject, how many sites they are willing to hit and have a good rotation, and what other esters they are running for other compounds. I like to combine my oils and get it all out in one pin, so if I'm running long ester compound like EQ or Tren alongside it, I'm going to be doing my test shot on the same day. Thus it would defeat the purpose of running prop alongside it for me from that standpoint.
jimbosmith316
MuscleChemistry
Some great info everyone!
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