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Article about Low Carb Diets

3. Poor Long Term Weight Control
There is no metabolic magic in low-carb diets. Those who continue to lose weight after the first week do so because they decrease calorie intake. This can occur because of decreased dietary variety. Greatly limiting the number of foods that people are allowed to eat, reduces their food and calorie intake. But a reduction in variety most often leads to boredom and cravings over the long run. One recent study showed that a high protein meal leads to a greater tendency towards binging of foods, high in sugar and fat, later in the day.



I think we already beat this one to death :D




4. Reduced Athletic Performance
Athletic performance is reduced on a low-carb diet. Since the 1930's it has been known that a high-carb diet can enhance endurance during strenuous athletic events. That is why football players, and other athletes, load up on high-fiber carbs before a game or the slow release of energy. Mountain climbers and skiers should be warned that a ketogenic diet greatly increases the risk of mountain sickness.



We know this to be true to enhance endurance athletics.. right?
 
Ahh just got to put my 2 cents worth in on this too.

Genetics plays a huge part in this discussion that doens't get much attention. Not only in from the dietary standpoint but also from the cancer point also. Most of the studies that have been mentioned here do not have very good control points and leave out a lot of factors that should have been monitored but aren't. The same things that are attributed to "lowering" the risk of cancer in some people will increase the risk in others and have no effect on still more. Most studies, and unfortunately cancer studies seem to be one of the worst, already have the outcome they want in mind and don't take the controls necessary to make sure the results are accurate. ie Let's prove that a high fiber diet will lower cancer risks with out controlling the rest of the diet, only the fiber part...hello...

I don't know what is considered "long term" for this discussion on "low carb" diets but I personally have lost over 100#'s using Atkins first book and have kept it off for over 3 years. I don't have a super active lifestyle and am not a hard core body builder. My blood profiles have also inproved in almost every area. BTW Atkins also put out another book that deals mostly with the use of suppliments and specific foods that are high in anti-oxidents to help minimize any risks associated with our day-to-day life and cancer risks. Bottom line is, if your genetics are predisposed to cancer, the gamma radiation from the sun that you get walking to your car is more than enough to bet the process started. You can take all the precations in the world, eat anti-oxidents until you crap green and it may still not be enough.

Also one thing to note. Atkins mentions in his book that his diet is based on a sedentary lifestyle (like the majority of Americans have). There is another book out that is called something like " A physicians desk reference to low carb dieting" or something like that, I used to have a copy of it, that modifies the diet for someone like a hardcore body builder so that the nutritional needs for kind of damage are met.
 
re: buffgranpa

Great response...my sentiments exactly..and there are many more success stories of those who have lost tonnes of weight and improved their overall health in the process. The idea of low carb dieting is not a new phenomenon...it has been used successfully by many for years. Actually if you want to get scientific about it, man has eaten a certain way for a reason. While man evolved he was a nomad..which meant he hunted for food and followed herds of animals. Thus planting a crop of wheat or corn was virtually impossible. The only carbs which could be eaten were berries or fruits and nuts from treas. Read Brad Kings book Fatwars it will be an eye opener! Truth is... eat like our ancestors and you will feel and look much better!
Peace,
P
 
Wow! Way to go buffgrandpa!
It's terribly difficult to lose that much weight & keep it off.
You have remarkable willpower & staying power :)
Just outta curiosity, what blood type are you?

Yes, genetics does play a major roll in whether or not we are predispositioned for certain cancers.. which is why it's so important that we are careful not to mess with our body's cells if we plan to have children.

Bottom line is, if your genetics are predisposed to cancer, the gamma radiation from the sun that you get walking to your car is more than enough to bet the process started. You can take all the precations in the world, eat anti-oxidents until you crap green and it may still not be enough.

While this may be true, it's silly not to take precautions & eat anti-oxidents since many people develop cancer by way of the the foods they consume. That's like using the anology that we may as well smoke because we're gonna get cancer from the sun anyway.

PRAETORIAN~

Yes, you are correct that some people have a more favorable chemical reaction to the foods that their ancestors consumed.
However, not all of our ancestors were meat eaters nor do all of us have that genetic inheritance.
Each blood type posesses a different antigen which forms our chemical fingerprints..
So when your blood type antigen senses that a foreign antigen has entered your system, it creates antibodies to that antigen.
Our immune system becomes overloaded & from having to attack daily foreign matters that we're consuming.. which is why we have such an elevated rate of cancer.
Our immune system should be busy attacking odd cells, viruses, bacteria etc, but by eating a diet in which is not the norm for our blood type or our genetic history, our immune system goes into overload because it's busy attacking the wrong foods we're consuming for our blood types & this is what causes a large percentage cancer cases.
You are correct to say our genetic inheritance plays a major roll in what's favorable for us to consume by way of food.
However, not all of our ancestors' main course meals were meat.
So, based on our genetic history & inheritances, a chemical reacation occurs between our blood & the foods we consume.


If anyone's following this & is interested~
It has to do with 'lectins'.
Basically, if you eat foods containing protein lectins that are incompatible with your blood type antigen, the lectins begin to agglutinate blood cells in organs such as your liver, kidneys, stomach, brain..
To give you a simple example of what I mean..
If you are a blood type A & you drink milk, milk has B charatistics.
Your system attacks it & starts the agglutination process to reject it.. after constant abuse, this process is what causes cancer.
If you avoid foods that are difficult for your particular blood type to digest, your chances of not developing cancer is significantly lower..
 
re: sachet

I would have to disagree sachet..our ancestors are just that...and they all evolved from the same species of carnivorous animals....this has been proven well enough. 99% of our genetic structure was formed about 40,000 years agobefore our biological ancestorsevolved into homo sapiens, and 99% of our geneswere formed before the advent of agriculture 10,000 years ago. (Dr. Boyd Eaton) You have to back far enough to see this. Also blood type dieting is a great "theory" but it is just that.(Peter J D'Adamo) Blood type O 40000 years BC, Blood type A 25,000-15,000 BC, blod type B15,000-10,000 BC, and blood type AB 10 centuries ago. However if you look at the oldest ahaa! Blood type O. Agriculturalists hadn't evolved until 25-15 000 BC. It holds as much scientific clout as low carb dieting, high protein diets , high fat diets etc It is not a science and has never been proven to be. The cancer related affects may be seen, but cannot scientifically be proven as a result of the individuals diet..that is only a theory of the author! If science knew what causes cancer we would have a cure already...theories should not be disguised as fact. I have read and experimented with blood type dieting...it works as well as any other diet ...but then again it would as most diets do the job if people have the will power to stay on them. The idea however is to consume foods that the body processes very efficiently...put the correct fuel in and it will run better!
How many fat cells does the human body have? Why? How much glucose can the body utilize at any given sitting? Why? These are questions that will lead you to why the human body thrives on a higher fat diet, lipid profiles improve, lowering cholesterol, insulin levels stabalize, fat is used efficiently as fuel etc Carbohydrates are needed in the "correct" amounts and types. And unfortunatley these amounts are not that large. Obesity is the result of access carbohydrate consumption in todays society. In North America obesity rates have increased dramatically in the last 10 years, almost 300,000 people die each year from conditions directly related to obesity. Why? What has changed to allow this....what are people eating in more abundance then ever before?
Of our 100 trillion cells in our body 30 billion have the ability to store fat. And, they can also expend up to 1000 times their original size. They can also shrink....but they cannot disappear(except thru liposuction). To get us thru feast/famine our body has evolved with the ability to convert almost anything to fat. It took thousands of years to do this and isnt changing anytime soon.
Peace,
P
 
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You have experimented with blood type dieting Praetorian?!
:)
Do you remember the titles of the books by chance?


I have something to say about what you've written naturally ;) *lol* but, I'll wait til you see this.
 
*lol@winnie*
It's not too often I get to chitty chat with someone willing to give their point of view without getting all macho ;)

I've also posted a lil current info regarding cancer research in 'The Edge' in case anyone's interested to see what's involved & the direction it's going..
 
Bumping in hopes that Praetorian sees this within the next few days.

I'm really interested in what your source of information was when you mentioned that you have read and experimented with blood type dieting.

The cancer related affects may be seen, but cannot scientifically be proven as a result of the individuals diet..that is only a theory of the author! If science knew what causes cancer we would have a cure already...theories should not be disguised as fact.

Cancer is a preventative disease if we control what we're consuming.. Of course we're only able to control environmental sources minimally.
Naturally, it's human nature to abuse ourselves & I find it ludicrous that people complain that science doesn't do enough to 'cure' us after they've spent half their lives smoking, abusing drugs without being under the supervision of a physician, breathing pesticides & eating improperly without consuming proper amount of micronutrients because society deluded us into thinking all of the nutrients we need can be achieved simply by popping a vitamin.
In the real world, it doesn't work that way.. which is why cancer is out of control.
And actually, many types of cancers have been brought under control with chemo. Incredible progress has been made in the survival ratio in cases such as childhood leukemia, testicle & breast cancer, etc. as a result of the advances being made in cancer research.

It all begins at the cellular level & what we do to disturb that balance by what enters our bodies determines whether or not we're going to become another cancer victim.
Our parents are responsible for our genetic code & surely we can be predispositioned to develope cancer through what they pass us, but if we're given a clean slate.. why not be intelligent & use preventative measures.
 
I have to comment on this article a bit--not criticism or support, but just general commentary....


1. Heart Disease Risk Increases
Risk of heart disease is increased greatly on a low-carb, low-fiber diet that is high in animal protein, cholesterol and saturated fat. All three raise serum cholesterol, particularly LDL or "bad" cholesterol. Elimination of high-CARB, high-fiber plant foods, that help lower cholesterol, compounds this problem. A high meat intake may excessively increase homocysteine levels and iron stores in the body. There is growing evidence that high levels of both may increase the risk of heart disease.

I think it's very debatable whether or not it does increase heart disease. One has to remember that CHD is a product of NUMEROUS factors that go far beyond simple diet. Does the individual smoke? Drink excessively? Exercise? Have any sort of genetic pre-disposition? I agree that diet (and perhaps the Atkin's diet does, perhaps it doesn't--I would never agree that the studies that have been conducted thus far are reliable or end-all in their results) plays a role in the issue, but I think a far greater factor is exercise. Seeing as how the average American walks about a fifth of a mile a day, statistically speaking--and we live in a land of cars, remote controls, drive through, endless parking lots, desk jobs, etc--I think the contrast with countries where the general population has a significant source of activity or exercise is extremely profound.

They eat boatloads of meat in France (I just got back from there), yet the instance of CHD is much lower. Then again, I'd say the average person in France walks an entire order of magnitude more than the average American, and most people in Europe tend to frown on processed foods in general. Jump across the english channel, and suddenly you're back to greater levels of CHD.


2. Cancer Risk Increases
Risk of many cancers is likely to increase when most fruits, vegetables, whole grains and beans are eliminated from the diet. The National Cancer Institute currently recommends, based on the bulk of scientific research, that you should eat a plant-based diet that is high-fiber and low in fat.

I can't disagree. Anti-oxidants in vegetables and fruits, legumes, and grains are pretty much your best weapon against free radicals.


3. Poor Long Term Weight Control
There is no metabolic magic in low-carb diets. Those who continue to lose weight after the first week do so because they decrease calorie intake. This can occur because of decreased dietary variety. Greatly limiting the number of foods that people are allowed to eat, reduces their food and calorie intake. But a reduction in variety most often leads to boredom and cravings over the long run. One recent study showed that a high protein meal leads to a greater tendency towards binging of foods, high in sugar and fat, later in the day.

I was going to post the link that showed people on the Atkin's diet rarely kept the weight off, but someone already did it for me. A much more pragmatic solution to the "weight" problem is strength training combined with a diet that avoids processed foods in all forms--no margerine, funky oils, food with hydrogenated oils, etc. No meat that was grain fed--only range fed, naturally raised animals (you are what you eat, in more ways than one). Fresh, natural vegetables and fruits--not blended or pureed, since this breaks down the structure and causes them to be absorbed at an unnatural rate (same reason people crush oxycodone instead of just taking the pill--digests faster and makes it to the blood stream that much quicker).


I don't think there's any sort of "magic" diet out there that is going to make people look like Charles Atlas, and cause the pounds to just fly away. I also don't think nutrition needs to be as complicated as the vast, vast majority of people make it.


4. Reduced Athletic Performance
Athletic performance is reduced on a low-carb diet. Since the 1930's it has been known that a high-carb diet can enhance endurance during strenuous athletic events. That is why football players, and other athletes, load up on high-fiber carbs before a game or the slow release of energy. Mountain climbers and skiers should be warned that a ketogenic diet greatly increases the risk of mountain sickness.

As a professional athlete (I climb professionally), I can vouch for this. Prior to any sort of competitive event, I find the best strategy is to load with carbs the night prior and in the morning, and then eat something sugary half an hour before I actually climb. The sugary crap (not good for you, but this is athletics--not nutrition) gives you energy out of the gate and the longer burning carbs are your fuel for the long haul. After the competition, eat a meal with respectable protein and carbohydrate.

On a side note, when I was younger and brainwashed by people who had no clue what they were talking about (IE: protein freaks), I used to eat a can of tuna fish prior to climbing. Often times, this would result in sluggish performance and a general "drained" feeling. I lacked intensity often when I needed it. If I ate the can in the middle of a day of climbing, the second half of my day was typically ruined. There are bio-chemical reasons for all of this--especially when dealing with heavy metabolic activity (IE: strength training)--should anyone be interested in a more technical analysis.


5. Rising Blood Pressure with Age
Blood pressure will likely increase with age on a typical low-carb diet. In part, this is because a high-carb, high-fiber diet includes more fruits, vegetables, whole grains and nonfat dairy products. This diet was shown to lower blood pressure most likely due to its higher content of key minerals such as potassium, calcium and magnesium. Also low-carb diets do not restrict salt intake, the main reason blood pressure rises with age.

Again, I would argue there's a number of factors invovled in attributing rising Blood Pressure.

7. Kidney Stones
Both uric acid and calcium oxalate stones are more likely to form on a high protein, ketogenic diet than on a higher carbohydrate diet with more fruits and vegetables.

True.

8. Osteoporosis
Over time, excess protein intake, especially from animal sources, increases the loss of calcium in the urine which may contribute to osteoporosis.

Another conflicting point from what I've read throughout this thread....I've seen studies that swing both ways, but we also have to remember that osteoporosis is also directly linked to a lack of load-bearing exercise, in addition to nutritional factors. Also worth nothing is the united states has one of the highest consumptions of calcium in the world, and also one of the highest rates of osteoporosis. In some countries, women are literally consuming half the calcium the typical American woman consumes, cranking out nine kids over the course of her life, and still having no significant bone density loss in comparison to their US-counterparts. I would say diet is a factor, but I would say sedentry lifestyle is a greater factor.




10. Keto Breath
Keto-breath can be described as a cross between nail polish and over-ripe pineapple. This is common for dieters who consume so few carbs that they put their bodies in ketosis. Your best bet for permanent weight loss and control, as well as good health, is twofold: 1) increase the amount of fruits, vegetables, nonfat dairy products, whole grains and beans that you eat and 2) eliminate calorie-dense foods such as cookies, sugary desserts, bagels, crackers, chips, fries, pizza, candies, etc. Research on people who have successfully lost a lot of weight and kept it off long term, shows that the vast majority succeeded by consuming a low-fat diet high in fiber coupled with regular exercise.

Lemme tell you: my dad tried this diet, and my mum put the thumb down on it because you couldn't get within five feet of him without being knocked over by the smell.

Thank God for Mum's. And Dad's who are intelligent enough to realize halitosis in the worst form imaginable isn't worth some stupid gimmicy weight loss regiment.








My personal $.02 on the Atkins diet:

First off, it works--you will loose weight. You're tricking your body into loosing weight by eating a funky diet, but it does work.
Second, it's a poor long term plan.
Third, the diet is really a reaction to an increased sedentry lifestyle in the United States--it works for people who have very little activity, yet I think the results they're going to see are lop-sided and one-dimensional in nature. Sure, you'll loose weight--but you can loose weight with x-lax too if you wanted too. I hear meth is also a great weight loss tool, but you won't see me endorsing it any time soon. Simple weight loss is a terrible way to judge the overall benefits of a diet, if you want my opinion--and too many people make the assumption that loosing xx pounds represents some realistic increase in health.


I think a much more cohesive long-term strategy is to gravitate away from all processed foods and oils, eat a natural and healty diet (if you have the time, growing your own vegetables/fruits/etc. works best--my grandma kept gramps looking pretty good well into his seventies with this strategy, combined with making him tend to the garden), and have a significant source of metabolic (load being) exercise in one's repertoire. Cardio if you want it, but I wouldn't overstress it (and any cardio should be low impact if at all possible). People eat the worst foods imaginable (McDonalds, cheese its, potatoe chips, pop tarts, ice cream sandwiches, weird salad dressings, fried and processed foods, etc.), walk a fifth of a mile in a day on average, and wonder why they have trouble staying fit, trim, and active. It is truly absurd.



Okay, I'm done.
 
re: sachet

Ok been just got back...nice to see some constructive comments..and no i usually ;o) dont get macho..i prefer an intelligent debate over a screaming match any day...a big stick sometimes is useful though!! ;o)
Ok where do we start..well a few books i gues i have perused ...enough to see the flaws associated in the diet anyway...havent put them to memory though...

"Eat right for your type" and the other "Live right...Cook right" etc by Peter J D'Adamo M.D
here are some common insights...

Blood Type Diet : Reasons for;

Weight loss is likely to result with all blood types due to restricting food intake
Type O diet relies on proven diet principles

Blood Type Diet : Reasons against

Difficult information on each type to remember
Impractical for a family of different blood types
No scientific basis
Nutrient deficiencies for most types
For type O read the Atkins diet reasons for/against
Blood Type Diet : Verdict

The Blood Type diet is an interesting but flawed diet that is not based on sound dieting principles. It may result in weight loss if followed correctly but there are many better diets to follow with a proven record and based on sound advice. The Blood type diet is a good example of style and marketing over substance.

Also some inconsistencies abound in the book..ie Hypothyroidism is attributed to Blood Type O's inability to produce a sufficient amount of iodine in the body. Fact: Iodine is not produced in the body, rather an element consumed in our daily diets.

What really pushes the "blood type" theory beyond the limits of believability is ERFYT’s postulation that lectin proteins on some foods cause blood agglutination in people of certain blood types who are "not genetically/evolutionarily suited" to eat those foods. Agglutination is a very serious, and potentially life-threatening, phenomenon, whereby the red cells in the bloodstream stick together, forming irreversible clumps.

What is so bad about little clumps of red blood cells sailing through the bloodstream? Red blood cells deliver oxygen to the cells of vital tissues like the brain, heart and kidneys. To accomplish this delivery, red blood cells must flow through capillaries so narrow that they must line up single file. If the red cells are being agglutinated by lectins or anything else, clumps of red cells will clog up the capillaries and block the blood flow. Thus, the blood stream will be prevented from delivering its life-sustaining cargo of oxygen to the tissues served by those capillaries. Cells deprived of oxygen become damaged, and eventually die.
Since most people are unaware of their blood type, it is reasonable to assume that many of us regularly eat the "wrong foods" for our blood type (e.g., Type O eating wheat, Type A eating meat, etc.). Thus, according to D'Adamo's theory, everyone experiences repeated showers of agglutinated red cells throughout their bloodstream, day after day, month after month, year after year. If the capillary beds in your heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, eyes, and other essential organs are subjected to a repeated barrage of agglutinated red cells, they will eventually begin to clog up, resulting in tissue damage. The brain, heart, lungs, kidneys and adrenals would soon be irreparably damaged by these processes, which could prove fatal for millions of people.

To begin to convince me of the adverse effects of lectins, D’Adamo would have to publish photographs, taken through a microscope, of muscle fibers sampled from people with Type O, Type A, Type B, and Type AB blood after they have eaten kidney beans and/or lentils. (Sampling of muscle fibers, fat tissue, etc., is a common, safe, and virtually painless technique, known as "skinny needle" biopsy, and is routinely performed on paid volunteers by researchers in nutrition, exercise physiology, pharmacology, aging, and other sciences.) The tissue photographs should clearly show the lectin deposits appearing in the muscles of people with Type O blood - and not in the muscle samples from the people with Type A blood. ERFYT presents neither photos nor corroborating studies to support its speculations, which for me, severely curbs this book’s credibility.
Pathologists and other medical scientists would be very familiar with a syndrome of organ failure due to lectin-induced micro-infarctions (cell death). The existence and intricacies of such a widespread disease would be as well-known as is atherosclerosis. Yet, I am aware of no such description in the pathologic literature and no pathologist I know has ever mentioned this as a cause of any disease in humans.
above by:
The “blood type diet” – fact or fiction?
by Michael Klaper, M.D.
Other books include:
"The Answer is in Your Bloodtype"
Steven M. Weissber
The Blood Type Diet
James L. D'AdamoThe Food Combining/Blood Type Diet S
Dina Khader

Blood-type diet” myths debunked

The following paraphrases an article from Health Science Magazine, July/August 2000, by Ronald G. Cridland, M.D.


Question: I read that eating a vegetarian diet works better for some people because of their blood type, and that others, such as those with type “O” blood, need some fish or meat in their diet. Does scientific data support this contention?


Answer: Some circumstantial evidence supports the theory that people of different blood types need different diets to remain healthy. I know of no clinical trials on humans to support this theory.

No ideal diet exists for everyone. Genetics that may account for these variations may also be associated with the gene for blood types. Although we all vary, we all belong to the same human species. As such we do not differ enough to have one group anatomically and physiologically vegetarians and another group carnivorous. That much of a difference results to two different species.

If genes for blood-type correlated with genes for carnivorous and vegetarians then you also might expect genes for the following attributes to correlate with meat eating: large canine teeth enabling those with type “O” blood to jump on the back of a cow and bite a chunk our of its hide; a short intestinal tract to speed up the passage of meat to prevent it from putrefying in the bowel; and an unlimited capacity for metabolizing cholesterol. This names a few differences between carnivores and vegetarians. Since humans with type “O” blood do not have these physical attributes, two species of humans do not exist.

People do have different tolerances for foods including vegetarian foods. For example, not everyone tolerates
Above from: Health Science Magazine, July/August 2000, by Ronald G. Cridland, MD.

So ...i believe any calorie restriction will induce weight loss...yes .. but to what extent and duration depends on many factors. If you look at our species in general and how we "all" respond to macronutrient changes you will notice certain things...which i might add have been happening for hundreds of years. As for the lectin theory and cancer resulting from certain food types..this is very disturbing and misleading...if such was the case we would have eliminated cancer long ago...Many people have different theories on the best diet ..but the best is the diet the feeds the body with the proper nutrients for optimum health...the body's cells are designed to use certain fuel for a variety of reasons...not to say it wont use other fuels but "not" optimally". This is the reason why many diets work..but I am assuming being on this board would indicate a diet that preserves or builds lean body mass, eliminates adipose tissue to a healthy extent, while maintaing optimum overall health.

This is getting rather long and i want to respond to the next post so i start a new one...

Peace,
P
 
Re: Re: Article about Low Carb Diets

kidjan said:
I have to comment on this article a bit--not criticism or support, but just general commentary....




I think it's very debatable whether or not it does increase heart disease. One has to remember that CHD is a product of NUMEROUS factors that go far beyond simple diet. Does the individual smoke? Drink excessively? Exercise? Have any sort of genetic pre-disposition? I agree that diet (and perhaps the Atkin's diet does, perhaps it doesn't--I would never agree that the studies that have been conducted thus far are reliable or end-all in their results) plays a role in the issue, but I think a far greater factor is exercise. Seeing as how the average American walks about a fifth of a mile a day, statistically speaking--and we live in a land of cars, remote controls, drive through, endless parking lots, desk jobs, etc--I think the contrast with countries where the general population has a significant source of activity or exercise is extremely profound.

They eat boatloads of meat in France (I just got back from there), yet the instance of CHD is much lower. Then again, I'd say the average person in France walks an entire order of magnitude more than the average American, and most people in Europe tend to frown on processed foods in general. Jump across the english channel, and suddenly you're back to greater levels of CHD.




I can't disagree. Anti-oxidants in vegetables and fruits, legumes, and grains are pretty much your best weapon against free radicals.




I was going to post the link that showed people on the Atkin's diet rarely kept the weight off, but someone already did it for me. A much more pragmatic solution to the "weight" problem is strength training combined with a diet that avoids processed foods in all forms--no margerine, funky oils, food with hydrogenated oils, etc. No meat that was grain fed--only range fed, naturally raised animals (you are what you eat, in more ways than one). Fresh, natural vegetables and fruits--not blended or pureed, since this breaks down the structure and causes them to be absorbed at an unnatural rate (same reason people crush oxycodone instead of just taking the pill--digests faster and makes it to the blood stream that much quicker).


I don't think there's any sort of "magic" diet out there that is going to make people look like Charles Atlas, and cause the pounds to just fly away. I also don't think nutrition needs to be as complicated as the vast, vast majority of people make it.




As a professional athlete (I climb professionally), I can vouch for this. Prior to any sort of competitive event, I find the best strategy is to load with carbs the night prior and in the morning, and then eat something sugary half an hour before I actually climb. The sugary crap (not good for you, but this is athletics--not nutrition) gives you energy out of the gate and the longer burning carbs are your fuel for the long haul. After the competition, eat a meal with respectable protein and carbohydrate.

On a side note, when I was younger and brainwashed by people who had no clue what they were talking about (IE: protein freaks), I used to eat a can of tuna fish prior to climbing. Often times, this would result in sluggish performance and a general "drained" feeling. I lacked intensity often when I needed it. If I ate the can in the middle of a day of climbing, the second half of my day was typically ruined. There are bio-chemical reasons for all of this--especially when dealing with heavy metabolic activity (IE: strength training)--should anyone be interested in a more technical analysis.




Again, I would argue there's a number of factors invovled in attributing rising Blood Pressure.



True.



Another conflicting point from what I've read throughout this thread....I've seen studies that swing both ways, but we also have to remember that osteoporosis is also directly linked to a lack of load-bearing exercise, in addition to nutritional factors. Also worth nothing is the united states has one of the highest consumptions of calcium in the world, and also one of the highest rates of osteoporosis. In some countries, women are literally consuming half the calcium the typical American woman consumes, cranking out nine kids over the course of her life, and still having no significant bone density loss in comparison to their US-counterparts. I would say diet is a factor, but I would say sedentry lifestyle is a greater factor.






Lemme tell you: my dad tried this diet, and my mum put the thumb down on it because you couldn't get within five feet of him without being knocked over by the smell.

Thank God for Mum's. And Dad's who are intelligent enough to realize halitosis in the worst form imaginable isn't worth some stupid gimmicy weight loss regiment.








My personal $.02 on the Atkins diet:

First off, it works--you will loose weight. You're tricking your body into loosing weight by eating a funky diet, but it does work.
Second, it's a poor long term plan.
Third, the diet is really a reaction to an increased sedentry lifestyle in the United States--it works for people who have very little activity, yet I think the results they're going to see are lop-sided and one-dimensional in nature. Sure, you'll loose weight--but you can loose weight with x-lax too if you wanted too. I hear meth is also a great weight loss tool, but you won't see me endorsing it any time soon. Simple weight loss is a terrible way to judge the overall benefits of a diet, if you want my opinion--and too many people make the assumption that loosing xx pounds represents some realistic increase in health.


I think a much more cohesive long-term strategy is to gravitate away from all processed foods and oils, eat a natural and healty diet (if you have the time, growing your own vegetables/fruits/etc. works best--my grandma kept gramps looking pretty good well into his seventies with this strategy, combined with making him tend to the garden), and have a significant source of metabolic (load being) exercise in one's repertoire. Cardio if you want it, but I wouldn't overstress it (and any cardio should be low impact if at all possible). People eat the worst foods imaginable (McDonalds, cheese its, potatoe chips, pop tarts, ice cream sandwiches, weird salad dressings, fried and processed foods, etc.), walk a fifth of a mile in a day on average, and wonder why they have trouble staying fit, trim, and active. It is truly absurd.



Okay, I'm done.

Ok...nice post..some good info..and I agree with you on some things and disagree on others..or should i say are left more to interpretation then disagreement...let me explain:

1. heart disease...this has been proven time and again on a higher fat lower carb diet that the risk "decreases" not increases...as well as a dramatic improvement in cholesterol levels

2. cancer...it cannot be said with any conviction that eating any type of food causes or prevents cancer..this has not been proven at all..yet! But in my opinion as well as many others a diet low in fibre may increase the risks...now i have no idea where the notion that a low carb diet meant low fibre...someone please explain this to me!

3.Poor long term weight control..a healthy low carb, higher protein moderate EFA diet is in no way unhealthy...proven otherwise..studies abound...also low carb means "lower than normal" and normal in todays society means"excessive" so lets put this into realistic terms...low means the amount necessary to fuel us thru the day without depositing excess fuel stores. And low does not mean no high fibre low GI fruits and vegies...where this notion came from please explain.

4. Reduced athletic performance: well i have to argue this as well..I can see your point with what you are doing and ingesting but...again low carb is not "no carb" or the right carbs at the right times. The idea is to fuel your body around yout training..not sedentary times. Eat for what you are about to do not what you have already done. I have hit my personal best while contest dieting so this satement is very misleading. There are many studies showing improvement in athletic performance with lower carb higher fat and protein..do a search ...look under Dr Mauro D. Pasquale for instance...

5. Rising blood pressure...many factors as you have stated..salt yes but sodium is essential not the culprit..lack of H2o is...Again low carb does not mean low fibrous veggies and fruit???

6.Kidney stones...More likely to form...why ..high protein-gout ala kidney stones..unlikely...again..i reiterate high fibre fruits and veggies are always included in this diet..not eliminated..again???

7.Osteoporosis..i agree with you on the load bearing exercise issues....too true!

8. keto breath..yes very scary...yikes..;o) but low carb again does not mean no carb or even entering ketosis..the whole keto diet is very different than a low carb diet...there is no reason to enter ketosis to gain the benfits of a low carb diet.

And thank God for Mums!!! ;o)

Peace,
P
 
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PRAETORIAN said:
Ok been just got back...nice to see some constructive comments..and no i usually ;o) dont get macho..i prefer an intelligent debate over a screaming match any day...a big stick sometimes is useful though!! ;o)

I'm happiest when I'm learning & you make me think about things from a different perspective~

*lowers my eyelids halfway & grins*
And it's also nice that you felt comfortable enough to share personal information as well.. I'm sure that big stick is very useful! :p

Ok where do we start..well a few books i gues i have perused ...enough to see the flaws associated in the diet anyway...havent put them to memory though...

"Eat right for your type" and the other "Live right...Cook right" etc by Peter J D'Adamo M.D

Lemme find this book & read it so that I can comment properly.
Thank you for this info and I'll be back ;)
 
Praetorian~

Okay, I've got a copy of Dr. Peter D'Adamo's book :D

I'd just like to reinerate that my initial remark was to point out that if you consume protein lectins that are incompatible with your blood type antigen, your immune system attacks & starts the agglutination process to reject it. After constant abuse, this process is what causes cancer.
And 'sparking' cancer can be avoided to a certain extent.
Prevention is a foreign word to Americans.
People wait til it's broke, then are bewildered that there isn't a quick fix.

Originally posted by Praetorian
What really pushes the "blood type" theory beyond the limits of believability is ERFYT’s postulation that lectin proteins on some foods cause blood agglutination in people of certain blood types who are "not genetically/evolutionarily suited" to eat those foods. Agglutination is a very serious, and potentially life-threatening, phenomenon, whereby the red cells in the bloodstream stick together, forming irreversible clumps.

Actually, based on what I've learned thus far in my own studies, malignant cancerous cells are more than 100 times more sensitive to the agglutinating effects of lectin..
And it would also stand to reason as to why blood clots from & cause heartattacks.
Normal cells show little change because their surface sugars are controlled.. not so in the case of a cancerous cell.

But, anyway.. I did notice that this book has a copywrite date of 1996 on it & the Doctor does state that his research is ongoing..
He also requests for people to become involved in a survey in the back of his book which will further his research in pinpointing 'particular ancestries that seem linked to certain blood types and conditions.'

I'll start reading it today ;)
 
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Sachet said:
Praetorian~

Okay, I've got a copy of Dr. Peter D'Adamo's book :D

I'd just like to reinerate that my initial remark was to point out that if you consume protein lectins that are incompatible with your blood type antigen, your immune system attacks & starts the agglutination process to reject it. After constant abuse, this process is what causes cancer.
And 'sparking' cancer can be avoided to a certain extent.
Prevention is a foreign word to Americans.
People wait til it's broke, then are bewildered that there isn't a quick fix.

Originally posted by Praetorian
What really pushes the "blood type" theory beyond the limits of believability is ERFYT’s postulation that lectin proteins on some foods cause blood agglutination in people of certain blood types who are "not genetically/evolutionarily suited" to eat those foods. Agglutination is a very serious, and potentially life-threatening, phenomenon, whereby the red cells in the bloodstream stick together, forming irreversible clumps.

Actually, based on what I've learned thus far in my own studies, malignant cancerous cells are more than 100 times more sensitive to the agglutinating effects of lectin..
And it would also stand to reason as to why blood clots from & cause heartattacks.
Normal cells show little change because their surface sugars are controlled.. not so in the case of a cancerous cell.

But, anyway.. I did notice that this book has a copywrite date of 1996 on it & the Doctor does state that his research is ongoing..
He also requests for people to become involved in a survey in the back of his book which will further his research in pinpointing 'particular ancestries that seem linked to certain blood types and conditions.'

I'll start reading it today ;)


Hey there, keep me posted as to your findings.
Just a thought or two...some great info but i would tend to use terms more on the level of "may contribute" or "may be due to" instead of saying "After constant abuse, this process is what causes cancer." Just for the reason that if that were true then we have uncovered the cause and cure ...which is not true. If we remove these types of foods completely from ones diet does the cancerous cell die? If it were that simple cancer would have been obliterated years ago. Unfortunately it is not which is why i say cancer is due to more than just what we eat...genetics, hereditary, EMF, pesticides, etc, etc are all contributors but we cannot single one out as THE culprit. I am not saying diet is not a prime factor dont get me wrong...i agree prevention is better then a cure...but we have to look at other things as well.
As for blood clots forming and causing heart attacks...this may happen on occaision and i cannot attest to the numbers but 90% of heart attacks today are related to the big 4 nasties! Two articles appearing in the August 20 issue of the Journal of the American
Medical Association show that fatal coronary artery disease is usually
related to one or more of four well-known risk factors: high cholesterol, high blood pressure,
cigarette smoking, or diabetes. Both studies included thousands of patients from several large
databases, and found that one of these four risk factors was present in between 87 to 100% of
patients who died from coronary artery disease.

Peace,
P
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PRAETORIAN said:
Hey there, keep me posted as to your findings.
Just a thought or two...some great info but i would tend to use terms more on the level of "may contribute" or "may be due to" instead of saying "After constant abuse, this process is what causes cancer." Just for the reason that if that were true then we have uncovered the cause and cure ...which is not true.


Okay, as you wish, but I didn't think that was necessary since I was addressing my comment at one specific point, not cancer as a whole.


If we remove these types of foods completely from ones diet does the cancerous cell die?

Probably not.. which is why prevention is necessary & more awareness is brought foward by way of educating people about what they consume.
Although, the audience would probably be small & it would not be beneficial to the medical*pharmaceutical fields..


If it were that simple cancer would have been obliterated years ago.

Yep. However, there are MANY things {such as AIDS, etc} that we know the cause.. but, don't have a cure.

Unfortunately it is not which is why i say cancer is due to more than just what we eat...genetics, hereditary, EMF, pesticides, etc, etc are all contributors but we cannot single one out as THE culprit. I am not saying diet is not a prime factor dont get me wrong...i agree prevention is better then a cure...but we have to look at other things as well.

Yep, I agree.. but, we were talking about one specific way in which cancer could begin in the body.
{See that, I used 'could' *winks*}


As for blood clots forming and causing heart attacks...this may happen on occaision and i cannot attest to the numbers but 90% of heart attacks today are related to the big 4 nasties! Two articles appearing in the August 20 issue of the Journal of the American
Medical Association show that fatal coronary artery disease is usually
related to one or more of four well-known risk factors: high cholesterol, high blood pressure,
cigarette smoking, or diabetes. Both studies included thousands of patients from several large
databases, and found that one of these four risk factors was present in between 87 to 100% of
patients who died from coronary artery disease.

Peace,
P
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Yes.. again, we were addressing the topic of agglutination, not cancer or heartattacks as a whole.

I did want to tell you that this is an interesting book~
Do you have anything positive to say about information the Doctor has written?
I mean, did anything catch your eye that you agree with?
 
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re: Sachet

Hey there, nice to hear back from you!
You make some great arguments..and although we may not see eye to eye on everything i think we have come to agreeable differences. ;o) The author does make some good points yes...as an example..i am O type and i have been dealing with IBS for a few years. The diet precribed does mimic my own in that i tend to avoid starches as much as possible especially wheat products as they irritate the colon tremendously. I have read so much on diet , nutrition and bodybuilding , health etc that sometimes things start to overlap...but my fave books would be "Fatwars" by Brad King, "Fats that heal Fats that kill" by Udo Erasmus, and the "Metabolic Diet" by Dr Mauro Dipasquale. I am a great proponent of low carb diets but i always include high fibre and low GI low Gload carbs..instead of no carbs. I am not a proponent of keto type diets even though they do work to some extent...i feel a diet more in tune with overall health and one that we all can stick to is a better choice!
Peace,
P
 
Dr. Rosedale

There are three major centenarian studies going on around the world. They are trying to find the variable that would confer longevity among this group of people who live to be 100 years old. Why do centenarians become centenarians? Why are they so lucky? Is it because they have low cholesterol, exercise a lot and live a healthy, clean life?

Well, the oldest person ever recorded was Jean Calumet of France who died last year at 122 years of age. She smoked all of her life and drank.

What researchers are finding from these major centenarian studies is that there is hardly anything in common among these people. They have high cholesterol and low cholesterol, some exercise and some don't, some smoke, some don't. Some are nasty as can be, some nice and calm and some are ornery.

But, they all have relatively low sugar for their age, and they all have low triglycerides for their age.

And, they all have relatively low insulin.............................Aging is a Disease

If there is a single marker for lifespan, as they are finding in the centenarian studies, it is insulin, specifically insulin sensitivity.

How sensitive are your cells to insulin? When they are not sensitive, the insulin levels go up. Who has heard of the term insulin resistance?

Insulin resistance is the basis of all of the chronic diseases of aging, because the disease itself is actually aging....................What is the purpose of insulin?

As I mentioned earlier, in some organisms it is to control their lifespan. What is the purpose of insulin in humans? Your doctor will say that it's to lower blood sugar, but I will tell you right now that that is a trivial side effect. Insulin's evolutionary purpose as is known right now, we are looking at other possibilities, is to store excess nutrients...........................................When your body notices that sugar is elevated, it is a sign that you've got more than you need; you’re not burning it so it is accumulating in your blood. So insulin will be released to take that sugar and store it. How does it store it? Glycogen?

Your body stores very little glycogen at any one time. All the glycogen stored in your liver and muscle wouldn’t last you through one active day. Once you fill up your glycogen stores that sugar is stored as saturated fat, 98 percent of which is palmitic acid.

So the idea of the medical profession recommending a high complex-carbohydrate, low-saturated-fat diet is an absolute oxymoron. A high-complex-carbohydrate diet is nothing but a high-glucose diet, or a high-sugar diet. Your body is just going to store it as saturated fat, and the body makes it into saturated fat quite readily........................A less known fact is that insulin also stores magnesium. But if your cells become resistant to insulin, you can't store magnesium so you lose it through urination.Intracellular magnesium relaxes muscles. What happens when you can't store magnesium because the cell is resistant? You lose magnesium and your blood vessels constrict.

This causes an increase in blood pressure and a reduction in energy since intracellular magnesium is required for all energy producing reactions that take place in the cell.

But most importantly, magnesium is also necessary for the action of insulin and the manufacture of insulin. When you raise your insulin, you lose magnesium, and the cells become even more insulin resistant. Blood vessels constrict and glucose and insulin can't get to the tissues, which makes them more insulin resistant, so the insulin levels go up and you lose more magnesium. This is the vicious cycle that begins even before you were born.
 
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