Need thoughts on TRT issues and ideas on testosterone replacement therapy

[EMW14]

Ok, so the "acid test" came today. Not my best performance at all, but better than in a long while. Still no night wood, and we both had to work at it to get Sarge to come to the party. So, something still needs to be tweaked. I think I may leave well enough alone for another week or so and see what happens.

I am thinking about giving masteron another try, but in enth rather than prop, and also from a different source. I hesitate to do that because the shit is so expensive. I had hoped the mast prop experiment woukd have produced definitive results one way or the other. But I question the quality of the gear based on my results.

Regardless, I'm encouraged by the results so far. And like Ibsaid, if I gain a few pounds in the process, that's a major plus as well.

I probably sound like a broken record with this, but I'd really like to try some trestolone, but will wait until an enthanate version shows up. No fuckin way am I doing EOD injections again... I don't know how y'all that do short ester cycles tolerate that shit!

 

[EMW14]

Update: almost 3 weeks in to this experiment of 600 mg per week, taken in 2 doses of 300 mg Tues and Fri. I am also taking approx 1/3ml of Aqua-dex (MC's version of Arimidex) at least once per week. I've been a little bit inconsistent with that because I wanted to make sure my test/estro level wasn't too far out of whack, but don't want to risk estro going too high, either. So sometimes I've taken 1/3 ml with each injection and sometimes every other injection. I have no estro related side effects that I'm aware of. I have zero acne, either.

I still don't have reliable erections. Just had another failed episode in the bedroom. So, who has any fucking idea what the fuck my problem is?? Too much SHBG? Any ideas? What do you think I should try next?

 

[EMW14]

I called Private Labs MD this morning and confirmed that I am in one of the 5 states in the country which disallow bloodwork without a doctor's order. Fucking people's republic of NJ...

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Look into seeing if u have plaque in arteries or vessels whichever. That disease men can get of the vessels in legs can also cause the same in penis for erections.

Taking more testosterone or masteron or proviron does alot for sbhg. I take the supplements all the time. They are cheap. Stinging nettle and horny goat week for example. They have then at vitamin shop. Or alot of the otc test boosters have those Ingredients in them. I do good with the yohimbine but it does have a stimulate effect.

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[EMW14]

I haven't updated this in a little while. Here's how things stand now:

I had been at 600 mg a week split 300/300 Fri and Tues. 2 weeks ago I skipped my Tues injection and decided to wait and see what hapoened as my testosterone level dropped. I kept up with minimal dosing of Adex. By around Friday or Saturday, 27 or 28 Jan, I started getting night time hardons again. During this period, my wife and I had sex without Viagra. The Sarge faltered partway through, but came back. Pretty sure this was a mind fuck more than anything else. I started to wonder if it was going to quit on me, which caused it to do just that. Luckily we both stayed with it and it came back to life. I hate to give so much detail, but at this point I have little pride left in this department, I just want to get backnto where I'm good!

The night time hardons quit by Sunday night; I decided to give it another night and see what happened. Nothing Monday. Tuesday morning I took an 80 mg shot (so that's 1 week ago today) and the night time hardons came back but not super strong, then quit again. Friday, I took another 100 mg (so I'm back on my Fri/Tues schedule) and all seems to be good right now. Still taking a small amount of Adex with each injection, about 1/4 ml. Wife and I went at it again this morning and Sarge was his best in 6 months without any viagra, no problems at all.

So right now, I seem to be right where I need to be. I hope I can keep it going at 100/80 Fri/Tues amd stay good. This is what was working for me before. If this continues to work well, I'm not changing a thing.

This will lead to a confrontation with my doc, who will insist I reduce my dose to bring my level down to 850 or so. 180 usually results in a level of around 1400. Like Ibsaid, I'm not going to change anything if this continues to work, so I'm concerned that this will end my relationship with this doctor. If that happens, I'll have to source my testosterone from a board sponsor, and maybe my family doc will be willing to order bloodworknfor me wvery 6 months or so. We'll see.

I'm still a little concerned that my hormone levels still haven't stabilized only 2 weeks after coming off 600 mg a week. I guess we'll see how it goes.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I haven't updated this in a little while. Here's how things stand now:

I had been at 600 mg a week split 300/300 Fri and Tues. 2 weeks ago I skipped my Tues injection and decided to wait and see what hapoened as my testosterone level dropped. I kept up with minimal dosing of Adex. By around Friday or Saturday, 27 or 28 Jan, I started getting night time hardons again. During this period, my wife and I had sex without Viagra. The Sarge faltered partway through, but came back. Pretty sure this was a mind fuck more than anything else. I started to wonder if it was going to quit on me, which caused it to do just that. Luckily we both stayed with it and it came back to life. I hate to give so much detail, but at this point I have little pride left in this department, I just want to get backnto where I'm good!

The night time hardons quit by Sunday night; I decided to give it another night and see what happened. Nothing Monday. Tuesday morning I took an 80 mg shot (so that's 1 week ago today) and the night time hardons came back but not super strong, then quit again. Friday, I took another 100 mg (so I'm back on my Fri/Tues schedule) and all seems to be good right now. Still taking a small amount of Adex with each injection, about 1/4 ml. Wife and I went at it again this morning and Sarge was his best in 6 months without any viagra, no problems at all.

So right now, I seem to be right where I need to be. I hope I can keep it going at 100/80 Fri/Tues amd stay good. This is what was working for me before. If this continues to work well, I'm not changing a thing.

This will lead to a confrontation with my doc, who will insist I reduce my dose to bring my level down to 850 or so. 180 usually results in a level of around 1400. Like Ibsaid, I'm not going to change anything if this continues to work, so I'm concerned that this will end my relationship with this doctor. If that happens, I'll have to source my testosterone from a board sponsor, and maybe my family doc will be willing to order bloodworknfor me wvery 6 months or so. We'll see.

I'm still a little concerned that my hormone levels still haven't stabilized only 2 weeks after coming off 600 mg a week. I guess we'll see how it goes.

Sounds like u bringing your estro too low.
Bring testosterone uo brings estro up only way to change that is upping ai a substantial amount as compared to trt dose.
When we raise testosterone estro rises. When we cut back testosterone we always left with more estro until it's all metabolized and no more extra testosterone can aromatase.
Then what happens is we get down to our trt dose. If things are good right now if they get worse it's because continuing to take ai will lower estro lower and lower.
Most guys will have sex drive in uproar on high test but when they stop or lower nothing. This is because their estro is too high. In some people they lower it too much and it gets good lower dose because it creates testosterone ratio to estro with estro of coarse higher.



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[EMW14]

Sounds like u bringing your estro too low.
Bring testosterone uo brings estro up only way to change that is upping ai a substantial amount as compared to trt dose.
When we raise testosterone estro rises. When we cut back testosterone we always left with more estro until it's all metabolized and no more extra testosterone can aromatase.
Then what happens is we get down to our trt dose. If things are good right now if they get worse it's because continuing to take ai will lower estro lower and lower.
Most guys will have sex drive in uproar on high test but when they stop or lower nothing. This is because their estro is too high. In some people they lower it too much and it gets good lower dose because it creates testosterone ratio to estro with estro of coarse higher.



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I'm not so sure my estro is too low. I don't think so. I'm taking a minimal amount of ai and have reduced the amount of ai since backing off the test dose. As long as things continue working well I'm not changing anything.

I certainly don't have low estrogen symptoms such as sore joints or anything like that. 180 per week and a total testosterone level of around 1400 is a fairly hefty TRT dose. In the past, with no ai, estro has been 80 at that testosteron level. That was high enough to cause itchy nipples afer a while. So a low dose of ai is definitely in order.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I'm not so sure my estro is too low. I don't think so. I'm taking a minimal amount of ai and have reduced the amount of ai since backing off the test dose. As long as things continue working well I'm not changing anything.

I certainly don't have low estrogen symptoms such as sore joints or anything like that. 180 per week and a total testosterone level of around 1400 is a fairly hefty TRT dose. In the past, with no ai, estro has been 80 at that testosteron level. That was high enough to cause itchy nipples afer a while. So a low dose of ai is definitely in order.

Anytime u increase testosterone and sex drive isn't strong with woods and u taking ai, but suddenly u drop your dose and things pick up. That would mean u were left with high estro or more compared to your test dose u control.
U see u putting testosterone in not estro. Estro comes from aromatasing testosterone and ai inhibits it. We know how much test we putting in but we don't know how much we aromatasing and how much ai is needed if any.

Some guys don't need an ai on trt at all periods.
Some guys have to do over 1 gram of testosterone per week for 8 weeks + to aromatase.
Some guys who are natural with more natural testosterone have more of a sex drive then others.

Too low estro no sex drive and woods the go dead.
Too high estro sex drive but ED.
Crashed estro sore joints no energy bad skin dry with bumpy little white head appearance especially behind arms.
Same skin with low.
Estro high oily skin with inflamed areas with pimples extremely painful red swollen lumps when we have a zit.
High estro mood swings short temper.
Low estro can't think foggy Ness brainfarts forgetfulness.
Perfect estro to testosterone horny wanting to lick some girls ass with a wood throbbing just thinking about it. And any girl even one u see daily but suddenly u having these thoughts and this reaction with throbbing wood and don't know why!


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[chihuahua]

Emw, u not alone! Estrogen to testosterone ratio I have found is important.

^^^THIS^^^

I felt great when my levels were 1473/53.2
Felt like crap at 789/13.6

 

[EMW14]

I haven't even looked at this thread in quite a while, but wanted to update it.

After trying everything detailed above, I am finally back to where I need to be. I'm not doing anything different than I was the last couple of times I've been here; but I've also done exactly what I'm doing now - and I do mean EXACTLY - and had the Dangling Disappointment as a constant companion.

Now, however, I'm getting night time erections, and I'm rock hard during sex with no issues.

What I did was this:
Following my last 300 mg injection (was doing 300 mg 2x per week for a total of 600 per week), I went to 100/80. I "passed through" a "good zone" where I was getting night time hardons and was decent during sex, but not great; and this faded away. I then went to 120 mg every 6 days for 2 or three shots; then to 100 mg every 5 days; then finally to the 100 on Fri and 80 on Tues. Meanwhile, tapered Adex down to ~1/4 ml with each shot.

So here I am, back to where I need to be, FINALLY. And it only took six fucking months! I will not be changing a thing unless this stops working for me. This is going to lead to a showdown with my urologist who wants to see me no higher than 800 or 900 ng/dl. I am most likely right around 1400. Estro is probably between 20 and 40, maybe 50. I guess we'll see when I get my bloodwork.

If he cuts me off, I'll have to go the UGL route for my test supply, but menwhile I have 3 more vials plus the current one; and I'll probably get another refill in before my next appointment. If things go badly with the urologist, I'll ask my family doctor to order my bloodwlrk every 6 months and tell him what's going on. Hopefully, he'll at least agree to do the bloodwork for me.

 

[EMW14]

Update 3 months from my last post:

This is pretty strange, and a totally new developmemt for me in the 4 years or so - maybe close to 5 - I've been on TRT. I did not drop my dose prior to bloodwork almost 2 months ago, assuming I'd have a confrontation with my doc over my T level and dose, which was 180/week split into 100 Fri; 80 Tues. Well, my T level was 850. This utterly shocked me, because in the past I've been in the range of 1200 to 1400 at that dose. I've been using MC's anti-e (Aqua-Dex, I think it's called), about 1/4 ml with each injection. This is keeping estradiol in check at about 35-40. Doc's only comments on that were that the long term effects of AI use in men isn't known, as there aren't enough studies to determine that (this blows me away... there ought to be plenty of data available - the American medical society really needs to get it's head out of its ass); and that if I get lean enough, I won't need an AI. I'm only at maybe 13% fat, but point taken.

That was roughly 2 months ago. Since then, night time erections stopped; and eventually - like last week - I had a Dangling Disappointment episode and had to pop a Viagra. Meanwhile, I had noticed a few weeks prior a couple of nasty acne "boils", the kind I get when estrogen is too high. I increased my AI dose a little bit to about 1/3 ml with each injection and this cleared up. So, something happened with regard to hormones during this time. I had bumped my test dose to 190 (100/90 Fri/Tues) for 2 weeks around this time, trying to bring back the night time hard-ons, but this didn't happen and when I saw the high E sides, I went right back to 180. At the time, the Dangling Disappointment was still doing his job every time; I just felt like it would give up sooner or later because the night wood quit.

Bottom line here is, I believe that for some reason, some hormonal change happened with T dosage remaining reasonably steady (I don't think a 10 mg change one way or the other in dosage - especially since the syringe is marked in .10 ml, which = 20 mg, so hitting a 10 mg increment is an approximation - is going to account for much.

I've heard of receptor saturation happening when on cycle; does this happen at TRT doses? The product is from the pharmacy, and so is FDA regulated - I assume product dosing is as accurate as you're gonna get, hopefully better than a UGL source... So, why was my blood concentration only 850 at the same dose that has produced 1400 in the past?? That is baffling. Also, I would really like to know what else changed in the meantime. No way to really know... I thought about calling the doc and asking for bloodwork to see, but I've scrutinized many lab test results without the cause of my Dangling Disappointment revealing itself.

Meanwhile, my wife pointed out a couple of things that made us both think my test was low. So, I decided to up my dose to 200/week and see what happened. So, when Tuesday came (the ED event happened Monday), I did 100 mg. Then another 100 Fri. AI dose stayed the same at 1/4 ml per jab.

Result: night wood is back, and no failure in the bedroom last night. So I'm gonna continue at 200 mg/wk and see how it goes...

I'm very surprised by this, because in the past, 200 mg a week has always resulted in a limp dick. So, something has sure changed, and no clue what.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Update 3 months from my last post:

This is pretty strange, and a totally new developmemt for me in the 4 years or so - maybe close to 5 - I've been on TRT. I did not drop my dose prior to bloodwork almost 2 months ago, assuming I'd have a confrontation with my doc over my T level and dose, which was 180/week split into 100 Fri; 80 Tues. Well, my T level was 850. This utterly shocked me, because in the past I've been in the range of 1200 to 1400 at that dose. I've been using MC's anti-e (Aqua-Dex, I think it's called), about 1/4 ml with each injection. This is keeping estradiol in check at about 35-40. Doc's only comments on that were that the long term effects of AI use in men isn't known, as there aren't enough studies to determine that (this blows me away... there ought to be plenty of data available - the American medical society really needs to get it's head out of its ass); and that if I get lean enough, I won't need an AI. I'm only at maybe 13% fat, but point taken.

That was roughly 2 months ago. Since then, night time erections stopped; and eventually - like last week - I had a Dangling Disappointment episode and had to pop a Viagra. Meanwhile, I had noticed a few weeks prior a couple of nasty acne "boils", the kind I get when estrogen is too high. I increased my AI dose a little bit to about 1/3 ml with each injection and this cleared up. So, something happened with regard to hormones during this time. I had bumped my test dose to 190 (100/90 Fri/Tues) for 2 weeks around this time, trying to bring back the night time hard-ons, but this didn't happen and when I saw the high E sides, I went right back to 180. At the time, the Dangling Disappointment was still doing his job every time; I just felt like it would give up sooner or later because the night wood quit.

Bottom line here is, I believe that for some reason, some hormonal change happened with T dosage remaining reasonably steady (I don't think a 10 mg change one way or the other in dosage - especially since the syringe is marked in .10 ml, which = 20 mg, so hitting a 10 mg increment is an approximation - is going to account for much.

I've heard of receptor saturation happening when on cycle; does this happen at TRT doses? The product is from the pharmacy, and so is FDA regulated - I assume product dosing is as accurate as you're gonna get, hopefully better than a UGL source... So, why was my blood concentration only 850 at the same dose that has produced 1400 in the past?? That is baffling. Also, I would really like to know what else changed in the meantime. No way to really know... I thought about calling the doc and asking for bloodwork to see, but I've scrutinized many lab test results without the cause of my Dangling Disappointment revealing itself.

Meanwhile, my wife pointed out a couple of things that made us both think my test was low. So, I decided to up my dose to 200/week and see what happened. So, when Tuesday came (the ED event happened Monday), I did 100 mg. Then another 100 Fri. AI dose stayed the same at 1/4 ml per jab.

Result: night wood is back, and no failure in the bedroom last night. So I'm gonna continue at 200 mg/wk and see how it goes...

I'm very surprised by this, because in the past, 200 mg a week has always resulted in a limp dick. So, something has sure changed, and no clue what.

Alot has went on since the last time I was in this thread with me.
I have been using proviron at 50-75 a day.
I used UGL caps that worked, I used EP proviron at 50-75 that worked and I am using Bayer at 50 a day right now that have me throbbing.
I haven't really used an ai at all.
I did a 3 month blast then a 6 week cut all straight.
I used deca 500wk, teste750wk, maste800wk for 3 months no problem.
I switched to
Tren a 75 a day
Test prop 50 a day
Mast prop 150 a day
Proviron spoken about above
Avar 30 a day
First week of this failed attempt first in long time.
But pulled out suspension did 60mg got out shower and said let's do it.
No problem again but I bumped proviron at that point to 75 i hadn't had Bayer yet.
On thus cut run it worked so good after that one time failed and I was so horny that I sweet talked her so she would say hey this is way to much.
Tren is witty!!! Lol

All MC products below
I used and still am using anti-p at .5 @2×wk
Nolva 10 mg a day backing off nolva now.
I maybe used 1mg of of adex a week at most and not till switching to tren.

I am now on 100 mg test cyp wk
Mast prop 50 mg @3×wk
Test prop 50 mg @3×wk
Primo @300wk
And Bayer proviron 50 mg a day

No failed attempts having to beat off everyday and now I have the boil zits that peel off and bleed after 3 days that they pop.
I get this from hormone fluctuations.

I know that our body can metabolize hormones differently at times.
I know our body can become more effient in breaking down esters overtime.
Alot of guys gotta go up on dose overtime because of this.
Me I just do way more than Dr wouod ever give but use him for my pass to dump red blood thru trt guidelines!!!
If i could I would self administrator periods cause I rather higher levels I perform like a beast so.
Sorry for the book but I wanted u to know where I was too.
My bloods will only tell me if i am healthy and times my drop to Dr standards in time. Because I just lowered a week ago will drop test prop mast prop 6 days before bloods.
Bloods are around july 10th. Lol



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[EMW14]

Ok, so after my last post I bumped up my test dose to 100/100 Fri/Tues, so 200/week total. Changed nothing else. Same AI dose, which is about 1/3 ml with each shot, maybe 1/4. It's a little tough to be exact since the dropper isn't graduated, but a whole lot easier than truing to cut a tiny pill into thirds or quarters. The last couple nights the night time wood has come back and not having any issues with performing when the wife and I get together. This is the first time since I've been on TRT that 200mg a week is working for me. I hope it continues.

I know my hormones are still not stabilized because of the boil-like zits Mechanic mentioned above, but I'll wait that out and expect it to go away.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Ok, so after my last post I bumped up my test dose to 100/100 Fri/Tues, so 200/week total. Changed nothing else. Same AI dose, which is about 1/3 ml with each shot, maybe 1/4. It's a little tough to be exact since the dropper isn't graduated, but a whole lot easier than truing to cut a tiny pill into thirds or quarters. The last couple nights the night time wood has come back and not having any issues with performing when the wife and I get together. This is the first time since I've been on TRT that 200mg a week is working for me. I hope it continues.

I know my hormones are still not stabilized because of the boil-like zits Mechanic mentioned above, but I'll wait that out and expect it to go away.

Hey brother this is what I do.
I use oral syringe.
If u can't get a 1 ml oral syringe I cut one of my slin pin tips with point off.
And there u go.
100 unit=1 ml
So if u want 1/4 then 25 units.
And so on...
Hey I am gonna email u brother

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[EMW14]

That is a a fucking great idea!