cycle and pct

[juice40]

I am 24 years old, I am on my second cycle. My first cycle I ran test/tren but got ance now I am just running test. I want to run test e250 from March 1 to October 1 and then PCT clomid for 5 weeks week 1 100mgs a day
week 2 75 mgs a day
week 3 50 mgs a day
week 4 50 mgs a day
week 5 50 mgs a day

Will I be ok with this cycle term and does this Pct seem like it will help keep most of my gains and bring back my natural test levels for sex drive?

 

[georgehe]

your infos are a bit messed up, do you want to run test for 5 weeks?? or march to october?? anyway if u inject every day why test e?!?!
your post is a joke bro

 

[Iron Game]

I am 24 years old, I am on my second cycle. My first cycle I ran test/tren but got ance now I am just running test. I want to run test e250 from March 1 to October 1 and then PCT clomid for 5 weeks week 1 100mgs a day
week 2 75 mgs a day
week 3 50 mgs a day
week 4 50 mgs a day
week 5 50 mgs a day

Will I be ok with this cycle term and does this Pct seem like it will help keep most of my gains and bring back my natural test levels for sex drive?

Welcome to MC bro. Many use HCG to bring the "boys" back to natural working order. With the length of cycle your talking you may need to research that. I have never had to worry about it. As far as PCT starts 2 weeks after final inject (for test c and e) 50mg clomid 20mg nolva ed for 4 weeks

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[Presser]

your infos are a bit messed up, do you want to run test for 5 weeks?? or march to october?? anyway if u inject every day why test e?!?!
your post is a joke bro

Hows that for a joke bro! Oh wait you can't reply cause your a banned asshole

 

[Just A Guy]

Hows that for a joke bro! Oh wait you can't reply cause your a banned asshole

Good job bro, we don't need that kind of advice here!

I would run the PCT starting with 100mgs clomid and 40mg nolva for the first 2 weeks maybe even 3.
You want to do 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva after that for another 3 weeks. If you can add HCG then do that as well.
There are also natural test boosters on the market that will help IN ADDITION to the above.

You will lose some weight, don't be discouraged as most of it will be water weight from the Test E. You can add creatine to the diet with plenty of water if the weight is a psychological factor to you.

Glad you asked us.

 

[Presser]

yeah no time for people who talk to other members like that

 

[BleedGreen4ever]

I agree with IG-start your PCT 2 weeks after your last shot(s) since you're using long esters as they take that long to clear/reduce in your system. Here's a good link that explains in bit more in detail Remember you can never give yourself enough knowledge and info ;}

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</header>In today’s EliteFitness.com News, my friend Eric Potratz will show you in his articleHCG – Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Use After Anabolic Steroid Cycles for Bodybuilding the most effective way to recover from an anabolic steroid cycle. This is especially the case for those that have had a lack of success following popular advice. In his article, Eric will address the misunderstanding and misuse of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) and will show you the most efficient way to use hCG for the fastest and most complete recovery.
Post Cycle Therapy or PCT for short is a must after you have finished a steroid cycle. If you want to keep the strength and muscle gains you worked so hard for when you were on the juice, you need to help return your own body’s hormonal levels back to normal – or all you hard work will be wasted. Many great PCT protocols have been outlined over the years, and many individuals have had success following them. Nevertheless, what works can always work better. Enjoy – HCG – Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Use After Anabolic Steroid Cycles for Bodybuilding
HCG – Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Use After Anabolic Steroid Cycles for Bodybuilding
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. (1) More specifically LH is the primary signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone.
When steroids are administered, LH levels rapidly decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, which causes rapid onset of testicular degeneration. The testicular degeneration begins with a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-like factor 3 (INSL3) – All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. (2-6,19) However, this degeneration can be prevented by a small maintenance dose of hCG ran throughout the cycle. Unfortunately, most steroid users have been engrained to believe that hCG should be used after a cycle, during PCT. Upon reviewing the science and basic endocrinology you will see that a faster and more complete recovery is possible if hCG is ran during a cycle.
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Eric M. Potratz has developed his education in the field of endocrinology and performance enhancement through years of research, counseling, and real world experience. Over the past five years he has been a private consultant for hundreds of athletes and bodybuilders alike, and is the founder & president of Primordial Performance.[/TD]
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Firstly, we must understand the clinical history of hCG to understand its purpose and its most efficient application. Many popular “steroid profiles” advocate using hCG at a dose of 2500-5000iu once or twice a week. These were the kind of dosages used in the historical (1960’s) hCG studies for hypogonadal men who had reduced testicular sensitivity due to prolonged LH deficiency. (21,22) A prolonged LH deficiency causes the testes to desensitize, requiring a higher hCG dose for ample stimulation. In men with normal LH levels and normal testicular sensitivity, the maximum increase of testosterone is seen from a dose of only 250iu, with minimal increases obtained from 500iu or even 5000iu. (2,11) (It appears the testes maximum secretion of testosterone is about 140% above their normal capacity.) (12-18) If you have allowed your testes to desensitize over the length of a typical steroid cycle, (8-16 weeks) then you would require a higher dose to elicit a response in an attempt to restore normal testicular size and function – but there is cost to this, and a high probability that you won’t regain full testicular function.
One term that is critical to understand is testosterone secretion capacity which is synonymous to testicular sensitivity. This is the amount of testosterone your testes can produce from any given LH or hCG stimulation. Therefore, if you have reduced testosterone secretion capacity (reduced testicular sensitivity), it will take more LH or hCG stimulation to produce the same result as if you had normal testosterone secretion capacity. If you reduce your testosterone secretion capacity too much, then no amount of LH or hCG stimulation will trigger normal testosterone production – and this leads to permanently reduced testosterone production.
To get an idea of how quickly you can reduce your testosterone secretion capacity from your average steroid cycle, consider this: LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. (2,9,10) By shutting down the LH signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases 90%, ITT decreases 94%, INSL3 decreases 95%, while the capacity to secrete testosterone decreases as much as 98%. (2-6)
Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. (4) This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) The point here is to not judge testosterone secretion capacity by testicular size.

The decreased testosterone secretion capacity caused by steroid use was well demonstrated in a study on power athletes who used steroids for 16 weeks, and were then administered 4500iu hCG post cycle. It was found that the steroid users were about 20 times less responsive to hCG, when compared to normal men who did not use steroids. (8) In other words, their testosterone secretion capacity was dramatically reduced because they did not receive an LH signal for 16 weeks. The testes essentially became desensitized and crippled. Case studies with steroid using patients show that aggressive long-term treatment with hCG at dosages as high as 10,000iu E3D for 12 weeks were unable to return full testicular size. (7) Another study with men using low dose steroids for 6 weeks showed unsuccessful return of Insulin-like factor-3 (INSL3) concentration in the testes upon 5000iu/wk of HCG treatment for 12 weeks (6) (INSL3 is an important biomarker for testosterone production potential and sperm production. 20)
These studies show that postponing hCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. (11) For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. (11) Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes (12,13,19 ) — the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article).
In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.
Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)
A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose)
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• Instead of AAS, could one do an HCG cycle?
• is HCG illegal?
• can you stack hcg with sustanon
• mixing Hcg for PCT
• Fake organon HCG?
• HCG storage?
• HCG: 10 days straight vs. 3x/wk for 3 weeks
• Can i get away with pct without hcg?
• Trying to figure out if I should do HCG…and when
• would u use vet hcg?
• HCG/pregnyl
• Advice with Fina, Sustanon, Clomid and HCG
• How to prepare HCG? Vial in Water , Vial in Powder? Help

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Note: If following the on cycle hCG protocol, hCG should NOT be used for PCT.
Recap:
For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.
In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash.
More Articles by Eric M. Potratz owner of Primordial Performance and designer of Dermacrine as well as the world famous 1-T product.

 

[Iron Game]

I am 24 years old, I am on my second cycle. My first cycle I ran test/tren but got ance now I am just running test. I want to run test e250 from March 1 to October 1 and then PCT clomid for 5 weeks week 1 100mgs a day
week 2 75 mgs a day
week 3 50 mgs a day
week 4 50 mgs a day
week 5 50 mgs a day

Will I be ok with this cycle term and does this Pct seem like it will help keep most of my gains and bring back my natural test levels for sex drive?

How is this cycle treating you so far?

 

[mroldguy]

Welcome to MC bro. This is a great site and they don't stand for disrespectful cocks! Most people are very helpful but you have to ask the right questions.
This is the educational super highway IMO...tons of info and experience here. Best advise is to use the search tool and then ask questions.

 

[The Dude]

Have you used Clomid before? I might use a little less.... and add some Nolvadex. Say 30mg a day of Nolvadex and 50mg of Clomid.