First cycle

[Miguels]

Going to start my first cycle on April 9th. Going to be using 20 mg of ostarine maybe 30 mg it's going to be a 10 week cycle maybe 12 depending on your advise

Here is what the cycle will look like

MC igf 100mcg every day
Ostarine 20 to 30 mg every day
Test e 500 mg a week
Test prop 100 mg to kick start cycle..

anything else I should stack? It's my first cycle and don't want to run it a long time. I have some arachidonic acid I might be adding.
Maybe add anavar for the last 6 weeks of the cycle but still thinking about it.I already have arimidex to run on cycle and have clomid and Nolvadex on hand

 

[Miguels]

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[yellow snow]

Looks lovely.................however I would do the test prop 2 or 3 times (200mg each time) the first week and call it good.

Not sure how prone you are to Estrogen issues ( you probably have no idea either). I would run half the dose of armidex, and run it 2xW ( it has a very long half life). I would also do 10-20mg of Nolva throughout. Nolva and armi work via different mecanisms to control estrogen ( to be on the safe side).

Make sure you are not on Wellbutrin since it is a no-no with nolvadex.

Good luck!!

 

[Miguels]

is this what youre suggesting?

prop 200 mg m/w/f
test e 250mg m/f


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[Miguels]

Started my cycle 3 weeks early.. did my first shot 500mg of test e and 75mg of test prop last night and 30 mg of ostarine this morning. The only thing i felt was the needle pocking my skin after that I felt nothing. No burning sensation or anything. I feel a little sore on the site but it's very little after 12 hours post injection. The oil actually is easy to inject just a little hard to draw from vial but it works fine.. now the waiting starts.

 

[Masher59]

Nice Miguels keep us updated brother!

 

[Miguels]

Does this supposed to put me in a good mood? Feel like my mood is better

I'm starting to feel the pip more. It's not bad but I feel like I got hit by someone

I'll keep you posted on my cycle. Will post pictures by the end

 

[Masher59]

Yes a general feeling of wellnes accompanies the use of many steroids. You should feel good and start feeling tight like you are a snake coiled up and ready to strike lol. That's when you know everything is firing on all cylinders. My gear has no pip at all but I know that feeling you are talking about well. Maybe it will go away quickly for you but it's a hazard with quite a bit of gear out there.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Does this supposed to put me in a good mood? Feel like my mood is better

I'm starting to feel the pip more. It's not bad but I feel like I got hit by someone

I'll keep you posted on my cycle. Will post pictures by the end

Sometimes with Virgin muscles you will get inflammation the first pin or so.
The gear I am using now the first two pins hurt soreness.
I then started heating up in pin under hot water for about a minute running in sink
And I started to push plunger slowing.
If gear is thin and it flows good too much flow pressure can tear up muscle a bit.
I think I know the gear u using and it is no problem.
Prop can be sensitive to some!
I normally or my body stops inflammation response after 2 pins!

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[Miguels]

I didn't feel the oil going in. Nothing,it was very smooth I didn't even apply too much pressure. The soreness isn't even bad I can walk I can run I can squat. Nothing really major. Just waiting on test e to kick in. I thought I would feel prop same day so I'm giving it this week and see if I feel anything different beside good mood

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I didn't feel the oil going in. Nothing,it was very smooth I didn't even apply too much pressure. The soreness isn't even bad I can walk I can run I can squat. Nothing really major. Just waiting on test e to kick in. I thought I would feel prop same day so I'm giving it this week and see if I feel anything different beside good mood

75 prop 3x a week will be within a week.
Maybe sooner.
Like yellow snow suggested u can do the prop at 200 3x first 7 days and it will kick immediately and u will be g2g


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[Muscle mechanic]

Looks lovely.................however I would do the test prop 2 or 3 times (200mg each time) the first week and call it good.

Not sure how prone you are to Estrogen issues ( you probably have no idea either). I would run half the dose of armidex, and run it 2xW ( it has a very long half life). I would also do 10-20mg of Nolva throughout. Nolva and armi work via different mecanisms to control estrogen ( to be on the safe side).

Make sure you are not on Wellbutrin since it is a no-no with nolvadex.

Good luck!!

Everything right here is good advice @Miguels.
This is good strategy.
I am using Nolva-bloat at 10 mg a day now and still throwing my old bulk letro in for the hell of it even that letro I think can reduce Nolva or vice versa...
But the letro toast...lol

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[Miguels]

Yeah I was thinking 150 mg to 200 mg for my next dose. But I will give it till tomorrow evening. I did get some erections at work at my desk but they weren't really hard. Hardly ever happens at work or out of nowhere.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Yeah I was thinking 150 mg to 200 mg for my next dose. But I will give it till tomorrow evening. I did get some erections at work at my desk but they weren't really hard. Hardly ever happens at work or out of nowhere.

That is what they are semi's, unless u can think about it by looking at someone!
Why u will give it to tomorrow, I started this blast with 75-100 prop eod and had to bsck off other test because I got that horny. And I have a wife!

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[Miguels]

Did my first workout on cycle yesterday after work

my strength wasn't that much better but there is an increase. What I was lifting last week natty felt lighter yesterday to a pint. Pumps weren't great but felt different then any other pump I felt before. Did a bit of chest arms and cardio. Today I will do more cardio and kill my legs and lower back. I did my second shot last night so hopefully i can feel it

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Did my first workout on cycle yesterday after work

my strength wasn't that much better but there is an increase. What I was lifting last week natty felt lighter yesterday to a pint. Pumps weren't great but felt different then any other pump I felt before. Did a bit of chest arms and cardio. Today I will do more cardio and kill my legs and lower back. I did my second shot last night so hopefully i can feel it

Pumps do not normally start until glycogen retention builds up in muscles and nitrogen retention!!!
Unless I am taking a strong oral it takes about 3 weeks and it gets better from there for me.
With a strong oral like superdrol or dbol after 1 week pumps are good!

Steroids don't do all what people think they do!
Alot of it is genetics, how we respond. Meaning some people get amazing results from gear others it's a slower process but a steady gain that is more than before! Also they do speed up protein synthesis and healing.

If steroids did what public and media thought I would be 400 lbs of muscle and lifting cars!!!


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[Miguels]

I don't know if not lifting for a month messed me up or not. The supplements I was taking before other than whey protein was beta alanine and creatine plus 1 andro and nor andro. My strength kept increasing weekly and was gaining size. After 2 months of bulking I started to cut so stopped all supplements. Yesterday on the leg press was pressing 180 less lbs. after 5 sets my legs are done and can't even walk straight.. I'm completely sore, something I haven't felt in months.. I'll do cardio both today and Friday. Will do full body workouts Saturday and Sunday.. gear helps push more. When you think you don't have the energy to do the last rep somehow I'm able to push 2 more

 

[Gearhead40]

Test Prop is what is giving you the pip bro. Test E kicks in faster than you think. I would save the test prop for the end of the cycle for when you pct. I let my levels drop to 90 for a blood test once. Pinned a combo TC/TE right after the test and in 3 days my levels were back up to 500. Test E starts kicking in right away. But test prop gives me pip and makes me very tired from test flu so I don't use it anyway. Good luck bro.

 

[Miguels]

Okay.. this explains why I'm feeling kinda sick. I didn't think it would be related and thought it was because it was hot then it rained and was cold. I had pip on first injection.my second on I followed muscle mechanics advise and no more pip

 

[Miguels]

Was looking to cut with this but I gained 3 lbs this week on a caloric deficit. Should I cut more calories or is it water weight?