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MC IGF, AAA Peps Folli, Syntherol

Wouldn't you get synergy between GHRH and IGF though?

Thats what's funny. I see alot of people saying that they shouldn't be used together, but there is no question that they are synergistic. I think alot of the stuff out there is Bro Science and once things are tested we learn that things aren't as complicated as people would lead you to believe.

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Thats what's funny. I see alot of people saying that they shouldn't be used together, but there is no question that they are synergistic. I think alot of the stuff out there is Bro Science and once things are tested we learn that things aren't as complicated as people would lead you to believe.
However, the synergy between these peptides are related to GH release by the pituitary. Exogenous IGF doesn't require the body to produce anything to exert it's effects.
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Thats what's funny. I see alot of people saying that they shouldn't be used together, but there is no question that they are synergistic. I think alot of the stuff out there is Bro Science and once things are tested we learn that things aren't as complicated as people would lead you to believe.

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"Bro Science" I agree.
I haven't seen any specific studies on synergy between the two, but from what I have seen, guys that are taking them together seem to be getting results.
I also feel that a lot of this stuff is trial and error. Different things work differently for different people.

There does seem to be a synergistic response with MGF and IGF1-LR3 though.
So, what I am looking at trying is some CJC-1295 W/DAC to increase GH, and adding some MGF Post Workout for recovery and more site growth.

What do you think?
 
"Bro Science" I agree.
I haven't seen any specific studies on synergy between the two, but from what I have seen, guys that are taking them together seem to be getting results.
I also feel that a lot of this stuff is trial and error. Different things work differently for different people.

There does seem to be a synergistic response with MGF and IGF1-LR3 though.
So, what I am looking at trying is some CJC-1295 W/DAC to increase GH, and adding some MGF Post Workout for recovery and more site growth.

What do you think?

The problem is that CJC is expensive and on its own (unless doing high doses i.e. 4mg a week) isn't startlingly effective for what we are trying to do. The combination of GHRH (CJC) and a GHRP is what causes the massive spikes which when done 3-4 times a day can not only mimic serum GH levels from 7-8 iu of GH, but also elevate them for a comparable period of time.
CJC is expensive, the GHRP'S are cheap. It makes sense to use both not only from an efficiency point of view, but also a financial point of view

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Also placing another order with AAAPeptides tomorrow. I need to keep an ample stock going as Silk is using as much as I am! She loves the stuff! I'm going to get a couple bottles of Hexarelin to switch up work the GHRP2 to prevent any attenuation. As always I will keep you guys updated.
Also today I did chest, abs, and calves. Calves and ankles are still swollen,.but they are improving. They should look pretty crazy once all the swelling subsides as I feels and looks as though ALL of the syntherol is still in there.
I did 80mcg total in my chest and the pump was just insane. There is no way that I could handle more. The pump from 80mcg was more extreme than when I was doing 120mcg without the other stuff.
The swelling in my calves has really put me in a shit mood though. I'm sure I'll be back to my normal egomaniacal self in a few days.
Also despite the 2 days of pretty low carbs I was extremely strong today. I also took a dyazide tonight to tighten up and get a good idea of what I'm looking like without all the water.

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The problem is that CJC is expensive and on its own (unless doing high doses i.e. 4mg a week) isn't startlingly effective for what we are trying to do. The combination of GHRH (CJC) and a GHRP is what causes the massive spikes which when done 3-4 times a day can not only mimic serum GH levels from 7-8 iu of GH, but also elevate them for a comparable period of time.
CJC is expensive, the GHRP'S are cheap. It makes sense to use both not only from an efficiency point of view, but also a financial point of view

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This is what gets so frustrating. I read so many different thoughts on doses and effectiveness when it comes to CJC.
I have read reports of people having great success running it standalone with as little as 500mcg every 5 days.
Although, you not get the spikes as with CJC W/O DAC, and GHRP, I have seen BW that shows a consistent rise in GH serum levels.
Granted this was only the equivalent of 4 iu of GH, but this would seem to be very cost effective.

I have also read about the "Mega Dosing" you are referring to, but it also seems that most agree there is little benefit after 2mg/Week.
I have also read that sides can get bad once you go over that dose.

As far as GHRP, the evidence seems to be more solid. There doesn't seem to be any argument to the results found when dosing multiple times a day along-side GHRH to create spikes.

I think I am coming to the conclusion that I am just gonna have to experiment.
Really, the only way to know for sure how our body will react is to try it.
It makes sense to start out with a little and work my way up. That's what I've been doing with anabolics, and it is serving me well.
Sometimes, we can make things more complicated than they need to be. I am very guilty of this.
 
Also placing another order with AAAPeptides tomorrow. I need to keep an ample stock going as Silk is using as much as I am! She loves the stuff! I'm going to get a couple bottles of Hexarelin to switch up work the GHRP2 to prevent any attenuation. As always I will keep you guys updated.
Also today I did chest, abs, and calves. Calves and ankles are still swollen,.but they are improving. They should look pretty crazy once all the swelling subsides as I feels and looks as though ALL of the syntherol is still in there.
I did 80mcg total in my chest and the pump was just insane. There is no way that I could handle more. The pump from 80mcg was more extreme than when I was doing 120mcg without the other stuff.
The swelling in my calves has really put me in a shit mood though. I'm sure I'll be back to my normal egomaniacal self in a few days.
Also despite the 2 days of pretty low carbs I was extremely strong today. I also took a dyazide tonight to tighten up and get a good idea of what I'm looking like without all the water.

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Having to lower your IGF dose proves that there is some synergy happening somewhere.
I wish we could pinpoint the cause, but most likely, it's just a combination of everything.

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about all the trouble you're having with your calves.
I haven't had any swelling with mine, but it has been a painful experience.
I have had something weird going on with my right leg though. I can't explain it, but it almost feels like the stretching of the fascia is putting pressure on the shin bone.
I have been using 2ml Synth in each calf ED for over a week now. They have not grown anymore, and I'm afraid I may need to increase the amount of Synth.
Not sure I am up to going any higher than 2ml.
I followed the Synth with 60mcg IGF before my workout, and had a great pump as always. They still feel really tight.

Keep up the good work. This is a great log!
 
This is what gets so frustrating. I read so many different thoughts on doses and effectiveness when it comes to CJC.
I have read reports of people having great success running it standalone with as little as 500mcg every 5 days.
Although, you not get the spikes as with CJC W/O DAC, and GHRP, I have seen BW that shows a consistent rise in GH serum levels.
Granted this was only the equivalent of 4 iu of GH, but this would seem to be very cost effective.

I have also read about the "Mega Dosing" you are referring to, but it also seems that most agree there is little benefit after 2mg/Week.
I have also read that sides can get bad once you go over that dose.

As far as GHRP, the evidence seems to be more solid. There doesn't seem to be any argument to the results found when dosing multiple times a day along-side GHRH to create spikes.

I think I am coming to the conclusion that I am just gonna have to experiment.
Really, the only way to know for sure how our body will react is to try it.
It makes sense to start out with a little and work my way up. That's what I've been doing with anabolics, and it is serving me well.
Sometimes, we can make things more complicated than they need to be. I am very guilty of this.

experimenting is one of the best parts of this lifestyle. Sometimes you can get so deep into a protocol that it becomes a chore. If I were you Id up the dose very slowly. I learned the hard way that you have to very slowly increase doses. Im going to start back on the Syntherol on Monday I think. I think by Wednesday my order from AAA will be here and Ill switch to Hex for a couple weeks.
On a related topic despite taking a dyazide last night I was still very strong at the gym. This is very strange since taking a dyazide usually has a profound negative impact on my strength. I had some pain in the knee insertion of my hamstring on my left leg. Not sure if its from the dyazide or training them twice a week for nearly 8 months...
Also.... after a dyazide and not drinking anything or eating anything for 9 hours I was 226lbs this morning.... AFTER A DYAZIDE...
Also Im getting a lot of attention with regards to the changes in my physique. A lot of it from people that I see very frequently that don't normally comment on my condition. At the grocery store and Walmart today you would think I had 3 heads. Kids were pointing me out to their parents and others were whispering to their friends when I was standing in line. Pretty excited....
 
When you say training your legs twice a week for 8 months. Are you talking about splitting legs , or two full leg days in ine week? Just curious
 
When you say training your legs twice a week for 8 months. Are you talking about splitting legs , or two full leg days in ine week? Just curious

I only train hamstrings twice a week. I train them with quads and also with back. My hamstrings have always lagged behind

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I did my 1mg of Follistatin today and 90mcg of MC IGF in the delts. I know Im getting a little greedy, but the pumps are so incredible. Calves (ankles) are almost back to normal. Calves are still pumped from the Syntherol. Im going to start back at 1ml on Monday and take Tues off. Then Ill proceed from there
 
also weight is still 226 first thing in the AM. It may still go back up as I took a dyazide early yesterday morning. Still keeping carbs a little lower though
 
why are you taking dyazide bro?

The GH peptides make you hold water. Most of it is intracellular,.but there is some subcutaneous. I wanted to see what I looked like without all the water. I was very pleased. I'm leaning up and my muscles are super round

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I did not train today. This is with zero pump. This is what I look like just walking around in daily stuff. This is a huge change for me. I've never been in this type of condition. The perpetual pump that regular MC IGF gives me is greatly enhanced with this whole protocol
Pics are worth 1000 words


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So heres where Im at. This combo is insane. Ive never used any combination of things at any dose which compares to this. I am continuing to get stronger and Im now drying out and Im dense as a brick. I am seriously in awe... At some point in my lifetime soon I will do 2mg of Follistatin per week with this identical protocol... My condition is improving so quickly and to such a degree that I am actually considering competing again
 
So heres where Im at. This combo is insane. Ive never used any combination of things at any dose which compares to this. I am continuing to get stronger and Im now drying out and Im dense as a brick. I am seriously in awe... At some point in my lifetime soon I will do 2mg of Follistatin per week with this identical protocol... My condition is improving so quickly and to such a degree that I am actually considering competing again
Way to go!! You are giving me enough motivation to go on this myself! I truly appreciate this log.
 
Prior to this log Ive used MC IGF obviously and I love it. Ive also used quality GH Peptides before so I knew what to expect. The follistatin is the wild card. I absolutely love the stuff. I was regularly using 120mcg pre training. The pumps that the IGF is producing with this protocol are just insane. My absolute top doses and being able to complete a workout are now as follows
Quads - 20mcg bilaterally
Triceps - 20mcg bilaterally
biceps - zero... the pump in my biceps when I apply to my triceps make bicep training difficult
shoulders - 20mcg bilaterally (tried 45mcg bilaterally and I was forced to stop early..)
calves - 25mcg bilaterally
Pectorals - 15mcg bilaterally... yep.. anymore and my chest gets too tight
I keep saying that this protocol is just amazing... Unfortunately I had to cut my Syntherol protocol early due to swelling and Ive been unable to resume... that's unfortunate as Im obviously in a tremendous environment to new muscle growth.
Ive still got two bottles of Follistatin.. when Im done Ill be forced to take a break from the Follistatin, but I will continue with the GH peptides and MC IGF for the forseeable future. Im very much hopeing to be able to do 1mg of Follistatin every four days for my next run and Id love to do that for 6 weeks.
 
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