Great advice I know, I am still a kid though to a point I am very aware that you shouldn't even touch insulin until you hit that barrier of not growing anymore, anyways I have igf on my mind but I can't seem to find a straight answer as to how well it bulks, my next cycle I posted in my previous thread I'm doing 810mg of sust per week 3x/week and 500mg of npp per week, is that a good cycle? 10 weeks is how long I'm thinking of stopping the npp at 8 or 9 and continuing the test for a couple more so I'm not so shut down, but I plan on running black tops, hgh, 6iu first thing in the morning when I hit around 250-270 not sure yet, I have all my future cycles planned out for the next year and a half, I'm trying to take an aggressive approach to get to 300 by at least March of next year, I'm going to be taking the safest route and getting blood test down 3-4 times a year but I won't touch insulin again until I get up there, thanks for he advice