Never coming off gear?

[Dianabolman]

Hey everyone, stats are 6'3 215 13%bf age 25, I'm not looking forward to staying on a cycle permanently but will if necessary as I want to go pro one day, big dreams I know. Currently have 2 cycles under my belt as well as 3 pro hormone cycles, yes I know I was young and had no clue what I was doing get over it, my question is some people tell me that some people don't recover from 12 week cycles, and no I don't believe everything I hear or read but I can't find anything about recover from year long or more cycles, and yes I have researched a lot, for months before I decided I'll ask, i am currently off cycle and my next will be sust 800mg ew 3x/week. Npp 500mg/wk eod for stable levels, dbol 6weeks 50mg/day, ghrp 6 and cjc no dac I believe that's not was its called but I forget In Between the two with or without dac but you get the point 100mcg 3x/day, also slin, building up to 10ius twice a day. Will have caber adex nolva & clomid better safe than sorry, as well as hcg 500-1000/week throughout the entire cycle, like I said I want to go pro, I was born infertile which doesn't bother me so you guys literally have no reason to bring that up, but this all has a point I will stay on if that's what it takes, I have pretty good genetics, not bragging just what I've been told, but it could all change with another 60 pounds we'll see, so if someone could answer my question with all this in mind that would be great, some vets preferably, please no hate I could care less about your negativity you'd only be wasting your own time, if you want more stats just ask.

 

[Presser]

Welcome to mc and it's way too much for me to get to on my phone lol but I'll try answering this later from PC, genetics and gear are only half the equation Brutha !!! The grind isn't for everyone!! I'll get specific later but good luck n welcome

 

[MUCH BIGGER]

Good luck and Welcome. The only people I know on gear year round is...me and a few buddies at work. It is not to get our pro card or anything it's cause we are in your late 40s and early 50s and natural test and HGH is way low. I know a few guys that compete and none of them stay on year long. Long term effect would be natural test shut down. I'm gonna wait to hear what Presser has to say and look up some old post and medical files.

 

[Presser]

ok, so, your already infertile, so that would be the biggest concern, though i stayed on 13 years and came off to have kids, then went back on, i would never suggest anyone stay on gear long term, as if your not competing or making a living with your physique then whats the point! So with that said, there is no money in going pro unless your elite level, and as i eluded to earlier, genes and gear is meely half the equation, the rest is can you live the daily grind, and im not talking about training, im talking about eating, and the ammount of gear used long term. Its a fucking grind man, and there are a shit load of guys with pr level genes who just couldnt make the grade cause they didnt have what it took to grind and have that mentality, and i will admit, i include myself in that!

I also wouldnt wanna go to indepth in this post, unless i seen some competition pictures or soemhting, not to be rude but i cant tell u how many guys say they wanna go pro, and then post pictures and my advice was a waist of fucking time, cause i can take one look at them and tell theres not a chance in hell!

My best advice is if you love bodybuilding, and if your truly gifted with genetics, find a way to use people being drawn to you all the time for yourself as a means to further a carreer, start a business in the industry, etc... if you truly are gifted , you know what im talking about with everyone being drawn to you, and every tom dick and harry you never heard of saying your boys with them lmao

anyhow, post up some pics brutha, if you have aspiration of going pro , then you should be pretty beastly already at 25 years old,

 

[Presser]

oh, and remember this, which i know at 25 years old will go right over your head like it did mine, but LONGEVITY is the name of the game my friend!

and im very sorry you were born infertile , that is sad man. best wishes!

 

[Iron Game]

Welcome to MuscleChemistry.com your in the right place

 

[Dianabolman]

Yeah I know, hydration, sleep, food, lifting. I meal prep, chicken, rice, Talapia, broccoli, asparagus, steak etc. I wake up at 7 shoot 10ius slin, eat 3 servings of grits with cheese, 6 whole eggs, yes I know a lot of bad cholesterol but I love em, high carb protein shake not a mass gainer I make them myself, with whey and malto whatever carbs. 63 carbs per serving.
then proceed to eat the rice and assortment of meat 5 more times throughout the day. Post workout I inject 10ius slin, have a high carb shake, 45 minutes later eat a balanced meal, blah blah blah, you get the point, I'm taking this very seriously as it's sort of a dream of mine. Me and gear get along quite well, I seem to have put on 30lbs each cycle I've taken of just test, and about 20 per prohormone but obviously I lost most with the just oral cycles. My first real cycle was 8 weeks of test and some bunk a bombs, I was pissed, still managed to gain 35 lbs kept about 25 because I was going through a rough patch in life, then I got depressed for personal reasons and lost it all dropped down to 160 only eating 2 a day, got back into it naturally gained 20lbs in 2 months then I started my cycle of test and real anadrol and slin and put on 35lbs again, so I know what I'm doing from previous failures, I also lift 6 times a week, make sure I get at least 8 hours of sleep. Just a little more info, well I guess a lot more

 

[Presser]

Yeah I know, hydration, sleep, food, lifting. I meal prep, chicken, rice, Talapia, broccoli, asparagus, steak etc. I wake up at 7 shoot 10ius slin, eat 3 servings of grits with cheese, 6 whole eggs, yes I know a lot of bad cholesterol but I love em, high carb protein shake not a mass gainer I make them myself, with whey and malto whatever carbs. 63 carbs per serving.
then proceed to eat the rice and assortment of meat 5 more times throughout the day. Post workout I inject 10ius slin, have a high carb shake, 45 minutes later eat a balanced meal, blah blah blah, you get the point, I'm taking this very seriously as it's sort of a dream of mine. Me and gear get along quite well, I seem to have put on 30lbs each cycle I've taken of just test, and about 20 per prohormone but obviously I lost most with the just oral cycles. My first real cycle was 8 weeks of test and some bunk a bombs, I was pissed, still managed to gain 35 lbs kept about 25 because I was going through a rough patch in life, then I got depressed for personal reasons and lost it all dropped down to 160 only eating 2 a day, got back into it naturally gained 20lbs in 2 months then I started my cycle of test and real anadrol and slin and put on 35lbs again, so I know what I'm doing from previous failures, I also lift 6 times a week, make sure I get at least 8 hours of sleep. Just a little more info, well I guess a lot more

Hey, listen im no one to shit on anyone elses dream, so if its a dream of yours then you go for it with vigor period! and knowing what is needed to do day in and day out for years is one thing, actually being able to see it through is another thing, but i guess its like that with any dream man, so hey go get it daddio!

I know im not cut out for being a pro, and i fucking love bodybuilding, and if my wife asked me stop lifting today i would divorce her tomorrow lol,

just be smart man, you can really fuck yourslf up on gear, and we have had a lot friends here, past reps die, and have bad hospitilaztions and shit from too much gear too long, as for me, i think if you have genes you dont need much more then testosterone, and occasionally the other anabolics for refining times, but long term i would say just testosterone, and igf or hgh

 

[Presser]

you have photos bro?

 

[Dianabolman]

Thanks for the info brother, believe me I know there are people always saying they're going to go pro, I know that there is a large chance that I will not but I have a burn in me to keep pushing and going I don't have any current pictures right now I look terrible because bulking but I'll try to upload some when I get to a laptop, but I do have a business in mind that has caught the attention of some high up people I have a solid business plan and when I come into some more capital I'll bring it to life, it's not trademarked yet so I won't say it, but yeah bodybuilding is 90% of my life and I plan on it being 95%, I don't have distractions and I can focus on me, I know I need t be selfish in this industry or I will get nowhere, I also know I'm quite tall but when I'm cut the only person I can truly compare myself to is Arnold, but with insulin bloat��I know there are mountains to climb but I'm ready to take on that challenge. One more question I'm thinking about bulking with tren ace, I've been told it's the jack of all trades, 5x more potent than test but in a bulking cycle how would that compare to npp? Thanks man

 

[akn]

welcome to mc bro , that's vest advice up thr by presser , staYing long term could get risky until or unless u know exactly what ur doing still would recommend regular blood tests to keep chk on estro and prolactin levels , and if the risk worth it I mean realty worth it then only , would Def need some of ur pics to get an idea and best of luck for ur journey mate

 

[Presser]

dude im 6'3 so youll have to get up to about 325lbs , and that shit is un-fucking-comfortable, the sweating, breathing lol, so thats what your in for lol,

and bro, to go Pro in Our Sport, you HAVE TO, ABSOLUTELY MUST BREAK THE FUCKING LAW....Now thats some fucked up shit, and you have to ask yourself is the risk worth the reward?

i would imagin you have a life time of hrt if your infertile naturally though? no?

 

[Dianabolman]

This was a few years ago natty I look a little shoulders and arms have greatly improved but also added some fat from test and slin, 200 I think in this picture

 

[Dianabolman]

Let me re say this I'm not infertile but I had a very low sperm count and it has nothing to do with the amount of test I naturally produce but either way I have no want for kids however, I am completely aware of the size I need to be probably want to compete around 290 cut. And I know about the laws, I'm aware I need hgh eventually I don't buy domestic so there's that, And my drive is so hard that even if you tell me I don't have what it take I'm going to completely ignore it and push harder than before, I make my dreams come true no matter what obstacles are in front of me, but I will take helpful information when provided and I am in no disagreement with you so far.

 

[Presser]

Well like I said I'm not one to shit on anyone's dream bro! Lastly you mentioned you wanted to hear from vets so don't go by post counts here the majority of pros on this site have little to no posts and for good reason , so I just wanted to put that out there incase you get critiqued by a member here with not many posts showing up as a newbie member lol we have some very solid pros here, and if I were you I'd sit down and talk to one

ok wife's eyeballing me for being online during family night so I bid you all a good night lol

 

[The Dude]

Presser pretty much nailed it. I have several friends that had similiar aspirations... one guy was the talk of the industry when he and Chris Cook were hot... neither of them made it and they were freaks. You can check out my pics on this site... and I'm disabled... I'm 5'9 and was about your size at 18 years old. I would strongly consider having a sit down with someone man. You will lose alot and risk alot more aiming to be a Pro... I know how life looks when you're 25... when you're 35 you start worrying about the damage to did. You start regretting the decisions you made...
Now... I am STRONGLY discouraging you.... but.... if you are going to stay on you need to grow with things OTHER than AAS. Most of the time those guys are on 300-500mg of test a week. The muscle comes from GH, IGF, AND INSULIN... all of them. Not one or two... all of them. Steroids are what Pros use getting ready for a show. Contact your source and price the shit... 6-8 iu of pharmaceutical grade GH, 100-200mcg of IGF, and 10 or more iu of Humalog 3 times a day. I'm not saying this to be a dick, but I have to tell you that at 35+ the world looks very different...
Either way you need to have blood tests 3 times per year.. you need to find a Dr that will monitor you... there is so much more to chasing that dream. Most Pro's... even some of the bigger names... are broke.. they move frequently because they owe people money.. they steal, they lie... they don't have nice cars or houses... or even the money to pay for the drugs they use... some big names Bro...

 

[Iron Game]

Presser pretty much nailed it. I have several friends that had similiar aspirations... one guy was the talk of the industry when he and Chris Cook were hot... neither of them made it and they were freaks. You can check out my pics on this site... and I'm disabled... I'm 5'9 and was about your size at 18 years old. I would strongly consider having a sit down with someone man. You will lose alot and risk alot more aiming to be a Pro... I know how life looks when you're 25... when you're 35 you start worrying about the damage to did. You start regretting the decisions you made...
Now... I am STRONGLY discouraging you.... but.... if you are going to stay on you need to grow with things OTHER than AAS. Most of the time those guys are on 300-500mg of test a week. The muscle comes from GH, IGF, AND INSULIN... all of them. Not one or two... all of them. Steroids are what Pros use getting ready for a show. Contact your source and price the shit... 6-8 iu of pharmaceutical grade GH, 100-200mcg of IGF, and 10 or more iu of Humalog 3 times a day. I'm not saying this to be a dick, but I have to tell you that at 35+ the world looks very different...

Amen

 

[MUCH BIGGER]

That's why Presser is THE MAN. I'm 5'10" and at 265lbs hope to push 285 this go around. I can't imagine being 6'??" Good luck bro and keep us posted on your progress.

 

[Masher59]

Going to have to side with the vets here you really need to do a lot of research before walking the pro path. I'm 6'5" 274 pounds and I look damn skinny. If I had the dimensions of the top ranked pros at my height I would be 120 pounds heavier probably.

 

[The Dude]

It's not what the Internet videos make it out to be man.. you will be judged constantly and I'm talking about meeting people for jobs and things of that nature. To get close you will need HRT for life and likely battle some degree of diabetes. I know I slam on it alot, but if you're dying to get in a magazine or YouTube video I would aim for physique. Your height would actually help you and you will face much less negativity in everyday life. I've been a hard 270 at 5'9 and I wasn't able to do well at a national qualifier... and man does it feel terrible...