Testosterone Propionate and (stanozolo) aka winstrol

[Mountain_Man]

my first cutting cycle years ago was a suggestion of a ifbb pro one of my best friends. i went in at 16$ bf about210 lbs when i finished a 8 week cycle of cardio diet and weight tranning i was at 198 and 6 % bf i was so excited for spring that year this is my cycle and i think a great one for beginners
week 1-8 100 mg testosterone propionate eod
week 1-5 50 mg winstrol ed split dose 25 mg am 25 mg pm
week 1-8 .05 mg arimidex eod
keep ur protien intake high 1.5-2 g per lb of body weight do as much cardio as u can stand and you will get ripped :sport::tread:

 

[BigZ]

As long as you're young that cycle doesn't sound too bad, it's just the older guys that would have more of a problem with the winny drying out your joints.

 

[Mountain_Man]

This is true now that I'm 40 I would switch the whinny out for anavar

 

[Presser]

in my opinion theirs just no replacement for winny, though i get the reason why people hate it or have issues with it, as i have same issues, but its just as good at very low doses every other day

 

[Presser]

oh and great title by the way, i can't stress to you guys enough how important a detailed title is to your threads!

 

[Mountain_Man]

Thank u presser I'm trying to be detailed as I can get brother

 

[Powderguy]

Tbol can be used as well. I love winny, I use it with MSN/Mitochondrotin (however its spelled) and I have never had any joint issues. When I used winny without it, my joints sounded like a rusty old door.

Var is an expensive and higher dose sub for winny-not as effective in my book but definitely easier on the ol' liver.

I prefer T-bol as a sub for winny, or even a PH clone of Tbol or winnivar. I run the same cycle back in the day but add IGF1 and a low dose of tren ace as well.
Its my fav cutter.

 

[Presser]

Tbol can be used as well. I love winny, I use it with MSN/Mitochondrotin (however its spelled) and I have never had any joint issues. When I used winny without it, my joints sounded like a rusty old door.

Var is an expensive and higher dose sub for winny-not as effective in my book but definitely easier on the ol' liver.

I prefer T-bol as a sub for winny, or even a PH clone of Tbol or winnivar. I run the same cycle back in the day but add IGF1 and a low dose of tren ace as well.
Its my fav cutter.

Is it tough to come by real turinabol (tbol) or maybe i should ask it this way, are guys being sold dianabol as tbol? I have read this common practice, and curious why, and can only assume maybe tbol is harder to come by then dianabol. I am guessing you would notice the bloat right away and know its dianabol and not tbol, but i am curious none the less

 

[Mountain_Man]

Same here presser bump form answer

 

[Presser]

turinabol ????

 

[Powderguy]

T-bol really isn't that hard to come by, I have heard its a more difficult time to get real var than t-bol, besides to be honest d-bol is a very versatile substance, I have used it with cutting cycles and bulking cycles, with nolva, and ari, and letro of course.
You do notice a difference because t-bol will not put weight on you fast by any means, even the PH versions do before real t-bol will.
As for winny, You can avoid dry joints with a twice daily intake of msn/chondroitin with your winny dose. I never get dry joints anymore with winny following this dosing.

 

[Attilaa]

I have one questions. hcg is needed during that cycle? how and when would be the dose?

 

[Powderguy]

yes, or clomid/nolva. After the cycle, and maybe someone else can answer how much depending on your size.

 

[Attilaa]

thanks,because I have in mind to do the same cycle

so it would be something like:

week 1-8 100 mg testosterone propionate eod

week 1-5 50 mg winstrol ed split dose 25 mg am 25 mg pm

week 1-8 .05 mg arimidex eod

hcg 2500 ui during week 7 and the rest (2500 ui) 7 days after the first shoot of hcg.

it would be correct like that?

 

[Presser]

i would wait until the end of the last week to start the hcg, i mean its such a short and small cycle that you shouldn't have much problem getting your natty test production back to normal. I would start it maybe 3 days after your last shot prop

any reason your running the cycle so short in terms of 8 weeks

 

[Powderguy]

Presser-I think he is following Mountain mans cycle.

You can run this cycle longer and like the man said its not that hard on your system. I use hcg differently than any others due to the fact I stay on for a while and I am much bigger than most.