Cycle Critique (After 10 yrs of training)

[slimshadyhkc]

Hey guys,

I've been doing alot of reading & research here & other forums to design my first cycle. Im almost 29 with 10 yrs of experience under my belt (Bodybuilding & Powerlifting). Height 6'4 & current weight around 220 pounds after a recent cutting phase. This is what i came up with after what i been reading but i'm open to critique & constructive advice. I know the adviced beginner cycle suggests sticking to Test-E only but i dont know if i'll do it any more than twice so going to make the most of what is available to me.


Week 1-12 - Test E - 500mg per week
Week 1-10 - Equipose - 400mg per week


Week 1-12 - Arimidex - .5mg EOD


Week 3-12 hcG - 500IU per week


After 14 days


Week 15-16 Clomid - 50mg ED
Week 17-20 Clomid - 25mg ED



I am very confused about the hcG as everyone has a different opinion about it, Lots of people run it towards the end of their cycle but from what ive read its like Prevention vs Cure when it comes to running during cycle or towards the end. I have all compounds available here in my country with no effort required so that helps alot.

 

[Mountain_Man]

i will say the eq needs to be run min 14 weeks for best results bro you may want to extend the cycle a bit hope somone can help u with the hcg i have not used it in 12 years

 

[Presser]

Looks good aside from eq I would stretch out. Looks like u did ur homework in regards to clomiphene as its scheduled perfect at 3 weeks from last testosterone enanthate injection!

Hcg i I would do at end of cycle

and everyone says "I'll just do one or two cycles" lol but you'll do more!! Lol

 

[Dean Destructo]

Start HCG with your first shot.
Use it twice a week until PCT.

 

[slimshadyhkc]

i will say the eq needs to be run min 14 weeks for best results bro you may want to extend the cycle a bit hope somone can help u with the hcg i have not used it in 12 years

Yes i read that the EQ requires atleat 12 weeks to kick inn & show results but considering its my 1st cycle i really dont wanna go above 12 weeks (at first i was planning 8 weeks) and might take EQ out of the equation altogather if it comes to that

 

[slimshadyhkc]

Looks good aside from eq I would stretch out. Looks like u did ur homework in regards to clomiphene as its scheduled perfect at 3 weeks from last testosterone enanthate injection!

Hcg i I would do at end of cycle

and everyone says "I'll just do one or two cycles" lol but you'll do more!! Lol

Thanks bro, See there u have it...As i said everytime hcG comes up there is no consensus at all about the timing, You're suggesting end of cycle (most of the guys in my gym who did it used it end of the cycle) and Dean Destructo is suggesting its use right from week 1 up untill PCT.

What dosage & week would u recomm if i were to shift it to the end of cycle?

 

[Dean Destructo]

Why would you use it after your nuts have already started to shrink when you can keep them from shrinking on day one? You will end up using the same amount, but more wisely IMHO. Also I believe when blasting HCG it is way easier to get gyno.

 

[slimshadyhkc]

Start HCG with your first shot.
Use it twice a week until PCT.

Why would you use it after your nuts have already started to shrink when you can keep them from shrinking on day one? You will end up using the same amount, but more wisely IMHO. Also I believe when blasting HCG it is way easier to get gyno.

Dean its like Prevention vs Cure right? Thats why i decided to go with PREVENTION in the first place...Would you stay at 500IU per week or would you rather go with 750IU 3x per week from week 1?

 

[Iron Game]

Your getting some great advice. Like you said everyone has a different opinion on HCG. Good luck on that. Haven't used it in over a decade.

A BIG welcome to MuscleChemistry. Give us a chance to follow your cycle progress and do a log.

As far as the EQ. I would hold off until your next round. From the sounds of the base you have built your going to grow like a weed if your nutrition is in check.

For what its worth!!

 

[Dean Destructo]

I would use just 500 a week at the most. To me the trick with HCG is conserving it for the long game. You can run it the whole time AND blast it at the end as well ( I have a friend that does that).

 

[slimshadyhkc]

Your getting some great advice. Like you said everyone has a different opinion on HCG. Good luck on that. Haven't used it in over a decade.

A BIG welcome to MuscleChemistry. Give us a chance to follow your cycle progress and do a log.

As far as the EQ. I would hold off until your next round. From the sounds of the base you have built your going to grow like a weed if your nutrition is in check.

For what its worth!!

Thanks for that suggestion, I will definitely create a log & post about my cycle progress here, As i said i might be dropping EQ altogather rather than extending my first cycle to 14 weeks

 

[Ashikabi]

I kinda expected someone to mention adding Nolva to the pct. Is it not needed on a smaller cycle like this?

 

[slimshadyhkc]

I kinda expected someone to mention adding Nolva to the pct. Is it not needed on a smaller cycle like this?

While both can be used but im of the opinion that why use 2 SERMS when one is capable of doing the required job in most of the cases, Specially after a cycle like this one. It should be present in your stock though...Just in case.

 

[Ashikabi]

While both can be used but im of the opinion that why use 2 SERMS when one is capable of doing the required job in most of the cases, Specially after a cycle like this one. It should be present in your stock though...Just in case.

I guess I understood that both used together was better than one or the other. I don't have any first hand knowledge is why I'm asking

 

[yellow snow]

Maybe this is a dumb question but you just got done with a cut. Does that mean you are looking to bulk or are you trying to continue to cut?

 

[Giru]

Imo 400mg is not enough, as you are gonna do 500 test e, i will bring up the bolde at 600mg, but that is up to you. Respect hcg i used both ways and for me the best is 500ui/week in 2 injections during the week. I normally take a 5000ui ampul and filled with 2ml of bac water. One time mixed i take 0.2ml (it is exactly 500ui) in insulin syringes of 0.5ml, that will give me exactly 10 syringes and i store them in the freezer. I take out 1 of them every week and normally use it monday + thursday. Good luck and log results!


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[slimshadyhkc]

Maybe this is a dumb question but you just got done with a cut. Does that mean you are looking to bulk or are you trying to continue to cut?

Its not a dumb question, Actually i cut down on my BF level keeping this cycle in mind, So it was a pre-cycle prep phase for me specifically to bring down the BF level to early teens. Didnt wanna be at 20-22% BF while doing my very 1st cycle. As far as the goals are concerned, I'd say its gonna be more of bulking cycle considering the compounds being used although there's no Decca or Dianabol there but then there's no Winnie or Tren being used either.

 

[slimshadyhkc]

Imo 400mg is not enough, as you are gonna do 500 test e, i will bring up the bolde at 600mg, but that is up to you. Respect hcg i used both ways and for me the best is 500ui/week in 2 injections during the week. I normally take a 5000ui ampul and filled with 2ml of bac water. One time mixed i take 0.2ml (it is exactly 500ui) in insulin syringes of 0.5ml, that will give me exactly 10 syringes and i store them in the freezer. I take out 1 of them every week and normally use it monday + thursday. Good luck and log results!

Thanks for the detailed info about your HCG usage, I have also decided to use it right from the beginning...Prevention is always better than cure although here in my country the USUAL TREND i noticed is that people take it towards the END OF THEIR cycle. Someone adviced me to up the dosage to 750IU/W from week 1, 500-750IU/W is the sweet spot going by what most ppl recommend here.

 

[yellow snow]

Its not a dumb question, Actually i cut down on my BF level keeping this cycle in mind, So it was a pre-cycle prep phase for me specifically to bring down the BF level to early teens. Didnt wanna be at 20-22% BF while doing my very 1st cycle. As far as the goals are concerned, I'd say its gonna be more of bulking cycle considering the compounds being used although there's no Decca or Dianabol there but then there's no Winnie or Tren being used either.[/QUOTE

You should be good to go then........You will blow up, get ready for the comments. The only thing you may think of adding that would really enhance this is MC's IGF-1. Either way it should be a great first run!!

 

[Giru]

Thanks for the detailed info about your HCG usage, I have also decided to use it right from the beginning...Prevention is always better than cure although here in my country the USUAL TREND i noticed is that people take it towards the END OF THEIR cycle. Someone adviced me to up the dosage to 750IU/W from week 1, 500-750IU/W is the sweet spot going by what most ppl recommend here.

Is also fine 750ui, but for the amount of testo you are gonna use i think 500ui should be fine, but use 750ui if you want. Respect the way i used i really recommended it to you, you do all syrenges in 1 time and to the frezeer. You know that hcg with bac water will be stable max 5-7 day i thinks, that is why i put them in the fridge and use 1 every week

Regard dude!


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