PCT

[Macho313]

I was thinking about a few things and wanted a few people's advice? can never hurt I have learned to listen to what other people think and what other people know. I am going to be end in my cycle of 500 mg of test enanthate, that would be 12 weeks total started the first 30 days with 40 mg a day of dbol and was trying to plan out my PCT also a bridge. PCT was going to consist of 500 IU of HCG a day for 30 days 20 mg of nolvadex for 20 days and 10 mg for the last 10 days of the 30. Also was thinking 10 mg of aromasin for 30 days. 50 mg of clomid for the last 15 days of the 30 and maybe 50 mg of proviron for the last 15 days of the 30 considering last time I had a problem with my libido not coming back as quick as I would have liked it too, and that's why this time was thinking about adding the proviron the clomid. I am open to any suggestions on this PCT too as well.

For a bridge I was thinking IGF lr3 40 MCG bilaterally also, I like to run ghrp6 with cjc-1295.. I was thinking about running a SERM maybe ostrogen or if anyone else has any better ideas I am always open to suggestions?

Like I said any advice or suggestions is always greatly appreciated thank you brothers..

the little big guy!!

 

[3J]

i understand where you are trying to come from.. but i would run the hcg at higher dosages for 2 weeks then run 4 weeks of the pct drugs you mentioned..

so run 1000iu eod for 7 injections, wait 3 days and start pct

next time run the hcg with the start of the cycle.. much better

 

[charliebigspuds]

Yeah I would not run hcg or proviron during pct. both are suppressive.

 

[Macho313]

i understand where you are trying to come from.. but i would run the hcg at higher dosages for 2 weeks then run 4 weeks of the pct drugs you mentioned..

so run 1000iu eod for 7 injections, wait 3 days and start pct

next time run the hcg with the start of the cycle.. much better

Okay I appreciate that and I still have 5 weeks left until I'm done my cycle should I start some HCG now? And just to be sure I understand exactly what you're saying only run the HCG 1000iu for two weeks then discontinue the HCG completely? Also do I wait until I discontinue the HCG to start the other PCT drugs such as the aromasin and nolvadex where do I start them the same time I start the HCG? Again I appreciate your advice brother.. and as far as the chromatin proviron girls do you think it is okay to run them 2 together do you think that will help my libido?

the little big guy!!

 

[charliebigspuds]

Start nolva 10mg per day with hcg. You can get some gyno on hcg. If not you can keep it on hand. Stop all hcg. Then start pct protocol.
Normal pct of nolva is 40-40-20-20. Clomid pct is 150 on first day then 100-100-50-50..or both together.
not to sure about the aromasin during pct. maybe the first week to stop E rebound. But as I said I'm no expert on that.
dont over complicate things to much imho

 

[Macho313]

Yeah I would not run hcg or proviron during pct. both are suppressive.

Sorry,but I thought the hole point of HCG was to jump start the testicles to start producing testosterone again?and thought it was only a suppresser at high doses for long periods of time?
So you don't think I should run and hgh during PCT at all?however the nolvadex,aromasin,and clomid is good at those doses for the 30 days? And any reason not to run the proviron? Also if no hcg to jump start natural test production,what will?sorry so many questions I just like to learn and know why and how everything works? Thanks for the advice I definitely appreciate it. ..

the little big guy!!

 

[Presser]

HCG is very good for PCT bro to jump start testicles, Ive done it myself, ive used it to come off years and years of straight steroid use, and used the HCG to get my junk back and went through invitro fertilization process with my wife, and it helped tremendously, so yes 100000% HCG is good for post cycle.

 

[Macho313]

Start nolva 10mg per day with hcg. You can get some gyno on hcg. If not you can keep it on hand. Stop all hcg. Then start pct protocol.
Normal pct of nolva is 40-40-20-20. Clomid pct is 150 on first day then 100-100-50-50..or both together.
not to sure about the aromasin during pct. maybe the first week to stop E rebound. But as I said I'm no expert on that.
dont over complicate things to much imho

Ok and you do mean do the hcg and nolvadex during these last 5 weeks of test?I'm also currently on 1mg of Arimidex eod now.keep on that or stop when I start the HCG and nolvadex?

the little big guy!!

 

[Presser]

maybe charlie meant HGH idk, but HCG is a very good idea PCT

 

[charliebigspuds]

Ok I will try.

Hcg will get you gonads working again but should be used either during cycle or last 2 weeks before pct
use it during pct will suppress you in the long run. Google it. It's to long winded to explain on my phone.
As stated I won't comment on aromasin. As I not sure and don't have any experience with it.
Proviron is very very good for libido on cycle. But during pct it will suppress u.
In my opinion A standard pct as mentioned above. 40-40-20-20. If you have trouble bouncing back maybe even a little longer if you are an older gentleman. Or both. Both work well together or separately.

 

[Presser]

well i cant speak for what google says lol, but i will tell you what worked for me after years of steroid use straight, then taking HCG and having kids.

 

[charliebigspuds]

hahhaaa yeah if its on google it must be true..

 

[charliebigspuds]

well i cant speak for what google says lol, but i will tell you what worked for me after years of steroid use straight, then taking HCG and having kids.

i believe the old skool of thought was hcg during pct was ok..but i believe..because hcg minics LH in the hypothalmus(hope i spelt that right) and again im no expert then using hcg during pct is counter productive..and ive used this protcol my self..2 weeks hcg then a few days to clear hcg then nolva or clomid

 

[Presser]

well here is my take on it, and on anything for that matter, its real scientific and shit.... too many cooks in the kitchen ruin the stew lol, another words , too many articles out there contradicting one another, and im NOT just talking about bro-science, lol, im talking about actual pub med studies and the like showing different conclusions for the same fucking thing , lmao (and yes this meat head reads them)

so i aint no doctor, and i dont doubt anyone here when they say they read this or that, im just saying what i know has worked for me, and what i know has worked for many of my old school bodybuilding brethren . So people can take my word with a grain a salt, or as gospel, doesnt matter to me lol, i just know what i know, and the opposite side of that is i dont know what i dont know lmao,

is everyone thoroughly confused? lol, yeah me to!

Synopsis = HCG during PCT works for Presser, thats alls i's knows lmao

 

[Venison_Steaks]

Here's the basics of what worked for me after a 15 months of blast and cruise with test and nor's.
Step 1: ramp down your hormones as a way if "prepping" for pct. During this time ramp up on HCG, i like 1000 ius everday for roughly 7 days -use an AI during this time. Scale down your use of an AI to zero around a week after cessation of hcg.
Step 2: two weeks after last injection begin your pct regimen (nolva+clomid+proviron). Remember there is no penalty for taking a serm early.
Step 3: treat your body right and don't overdue it in the gym. Your body is at a critical state at this point and you can easily fuck it up, ie: a rough weekend of partying.

Other suggestions : I track EVERYTHING on an excel spread sheet so I know the specific day I'm supposed to begin due to accounting for half lifes. Keep some viagra on hand jic. Don't over complicate it!

 

[Presser]

Don't over complicate it!

THIS!!!! AMEN!

 

[Presser]

I ALSO READ ON GOOGLE, IF YOU SOAK YOUR BALLS IN LUKE WARM WATER BETWEEN 40 CELSIUS OR 105 FAHRENHEIT ABOUT 1 WEEK AFTER LAST STEROID INJECTION, YOU WILL START PRODUCING AND RAISING YOUR ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE LEVELS

THE SECRET IS GETTING A BIG ENOUGH BASIN TO SQUAT OVER!

 

[charliebigspuds]

I ALSO READ ON GOOGLE, IF YOU SOAK YOUR BALLS IN LUKE WARM WATER BETWEEN 40 CELSIUS OR 105 FAHRENHEIT ABOUT 1 WEEK AFTER LAST STEROID INJECTION, YOU WILL START PRODUCING AND RAISING YOUR ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE LEVELS

THE SECRET IS GETTING A BIG ENOUGH BASIN TO SQUAT OVER!

pmsl you crack me up.