glycomann
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this is a really tough problem. The endocrine system is like 1000 pin-pong balls connected by strings between them resting on a water surface amongst the waves. Some of up and some go down and effect one another. docs and we look at a few indicators like estradiol, testosterone, estrogen and DHT and think we have a good view of the system. We really don't.
I try to take a look as the system as it works under normal conditions. We can not control all the ping-pong balls but we can watch the few we know and see how they work over time under normal conditions since this is the state where the body has evolved to work efficiently. Androgen levels vary over the day being highest in the morning and wanes over the day to peak again at the morning hours again the next day. Some test to estrogen conversion occurs and some test to DHT conversion occurs. Lots of other intermediates occur. DHEA interconverts to test nd estrogens among other hormones. The adrenals produce mineralogorticoids and glucocorticoids. all these things and more are interrelated and also feed back on the pituitary and hypothalamus.
So we are messing with this process and only become concerned when dickie doesn't want to go to work. So how to fix dickie? Tough to know and a pretty simplistic thought to just take another drug that interacts with the ping-pong balls on the water's surface. Sure we can take dostined 2x a week and a cialis at the week end and that might carry us through the Johnson duty for a good part of the week end for a while that is until the body adjusts and that stops working. Then we try Proviron or masteron for a while and further purturb the system. That works for a while, after adjustment, and then back to little dixon on unemployment again. then we try Pt-141 fir a while. Again it works but who wants to inject and wait 4 hours and then be stuck with a stiff one for hours after the woman falls asleep.
So the wish is to get to where it worked under normal circumstances. well the test level goes up 30-40% in the morning and then back down. Up and down.. up and down over the days. When I had problems years ago I would just go off and 10 weeks later my bits and pieces would work just fine. Of course back then everyone did 12 week cycles with 12 weeks off so impotence was temprary. Now for TRT what to do? How about try to duplicate the normal hormone pattern of test-estroge-DHT so it fits the normalish rhythm of the natural state or there abouts. Now test never really goes to zero. Let's say in our early 20s it fluxuates over the day in a diurnal fashion from 700 in the morning to 500 in the evening. that's where everything works best. So the way to get back on track would logically be to establish a baseline of 500-700 ng/dL and find a way to form an androgen peak in the morning. That would be let's say 100 mg/w testosterone cypionate and 25 mg of Proviron in the morning. Done! This could be your protocol 10 months a year. For 8 weeks at some point during the year you might want to do a little cycle and so you add in Primobolan or Anavar. No nandrolones or trenbolones because they can cause ED during or post cycle. no high dose Equipoise because it converts to estrogen m ore than people thing for some individuals. Stick with non-aromatizable anabolics and androgens. This way you avoid purturbing the endrocrine system excessively and can avoid ancillaries like aromatase inhibitors, SERMs and reductase inhibitors. That's pretty much what I try to do and it works pretty well.
Food for thought,
G
I try to take a look as the system as it works under normal conditions. We can not control all the ping-pong balls but we can watch the few we know and see how they work over time under normal conditions since this is the state where the body has evolved to work efficiently. Androgen levels vary over the day being highest in the morning and wanes over the day to peak again at the morning hours again the next day. Some test to estrogen conversion occurs and some test to DHT conversion occurs. Lots of other intermediates occur. DHEA interconverts to test nd estrogens among other hormones. The adrenals produce mineralogorticoids and glucocorticoids. all these things and more are interrelated and also feed back on the pituitary and hypothalamus.
So we are messing with this process and only become concerned when dickie doesn't want to go to work. So how to fix dickie? Tough to know and a pretty simplistic thought to just take another drug that interacts with the ping-pong balls on the water's surface. Sure we can take dostined 2x a week and a cialis at the week end and that might carry us through the Johnson duty for a good part of the week end for a while that is until the body adjusts and that stops working. Then we try Proviron or masteron for a while and further purturb the system. That works for a while, after adjustment, and then back to little dixon on unemployment again. then we try Pt-141 fir a while. Again it works but who wants to inject and wait 4 hours and then be stuck with a stiff one for hours after the woman falls asleep.
So the wish is to get to where it worked under normal circumstances. well the test level goes up 30-40% in the morning and then back down. Up and down.. up and down over the days. When I had problems years ago I would just go off and 10 weeks later my bits and pieces would work just fine. Of course back then everyone did 12 week cycles with 12 weeks off so impotence was temprary. Now for TRT what to do? How about try to duplicate the normal hormone pattern of test-estroge-DHT so it fits the normalish rhythm of the natural state or there abouts. Now test never really goes to zero. Let's say in our early 20s it fluxuates over the day in a diurnal fashion from 700 in the morning to 500 in the evening. that's where everything works best. So the way to get back on track would logically be to establish a baseline of 500-700 ng/dL and find a way to form an androgen peak in the morning. That would be let's say 100 mg/w testosterone cypionate and 25 mg of Proviron in the morning. Done! This could be your protocol 10 months a year. For 8 weeks at some point during the year you might want to do a little cycle and so you add in Primobolan or Anavar. No nandrolones or trenbolones because they can cause ED during or post cycle. no high dose Equipoise because it converts to estrogen m ore than people thing for some individuals. Stick with non-aromatizable anabolics and androgens. This way you avoid purturbing the endrocrine system excessively and can avoid ancillaries like aromatase inhibitors, SERMs and reductase inhibitors. That's pretty much what I try to do and it works pretty well.
Food for thought,
G
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