To bridge or take break from cycle? Help!

[The Survivor]

OK been on fairly light cycle for 16 wks of 300mg Prop. 300 mg EQ and 300 mg of Decca per week with pretty decent results. I've never bridged before, just went off for extended period then back on. I want to stay on (dont we all) but have to do something soon. I want to hit a show sometime mid summer 2013. Should I just PCT it, stay off for 6 wks then back on OR use even moderate amounts for same period then go back on? If so, do I still do PCT? And if I do bridge, what do I use? And do I switch gear up for following cycle? Thanks

PS My abs are starting to show finally just have some fat on the top.....been cutting for 2 yrs preparing for show.....after 22 yrs since last contest, its been a long slow road back but I'm determined to step back on stage. BTW I'm convinced that moderate cardio is better than everyday cardio....abs are all in the diet IMO

 

[big in vegas]

I'd just drop the Deca and EQ and coast on the Test if it's financially affordable.

 

[The Dude]

I'd just drop the Deca and EQ and coast on the Test if it's financially affordable.

I would do this as well, but add in some HCG if you are not on HRT

 

[mike ross]

300 mg EQ and 300 mg of Decca....why were you using these together at the same time? Agree with the others, you should consider proviron as well.

 

[big in vegas]

HCG and maybe some Anti P would be good for coming off the Deca. Maybe you could go with a longer ester of test to help with the bridge and you wouldn't have to pin as often either

 

[Presser]

OK been on fairly light cycle for 16 wks of 300mg Prop. 300 mg EQ and 300 mg of Decca per week with pretty decent results. I've never bridged before, just went off for extended period then back on. I want to stay on (dont we all) but have to do something soon. I want to hit a show sometime mid summer 2013. Should I just PCT it, stay off for 6 wks then back on OR use even moderate amounts for same period then go back on? If so, do I still do PCT? And if I do bridge, what do I use? And do I switch gear up for following cycle? Thanks

PS My abs are starting to show finally just have some fat on the top.....been cutting for 2 yrs preparing for show.....after 22 yrs since last contest, its been a long slow road back but I'm determined to step back on stage. BTW I'm convinced that moderate cardio is better than everyday cardio....abs are all in the diet IMO

I would bridge it personally with just a low test dose, and I like eq and deca combined, dont see too many people use em together but you still get the benefits of both even though they bind to the same receptor.

 

[Get_Swole]

I agree bridge with low dose of test, proviron I always loved if i had the spare money too.

 

[Buffalo]

I've been on for about 5 months but December I will be gone for about 15 days traveling for business and the rest on vacation with the family so there is no way I would be able keep at the doses Im at without missing shots and I don't want to risk even shipping my gear. I took my last week of 1g of a test-cyp, enth and prop blend (fucking bad ass, love it) and will be coming down this week to 350mg a week of enthanate since I'm on HRT anyway. After the new year though I plan on another long run at gradual increasing doses again.

Also, why proviron here?

 

[Presser]

I've been on for about 5 months but December I will be gone for about 15 days traveling for business and the rest on vacation with the family so there is no way I would be able keep at the doses Im at without missing shots and I don't want to risk even shipping my gear. I took my last week of 1g of a test-cyp, enth and prop blend (fucking bad ass, love it) and will be coming down this week to 350mg a week of enthanate since I'm on HRT anyway. After the new year though I plan on another long run at gradual increasing doses again.

Also, why proviron here?

Characteristics:

Mesterolone is an orally active, 1-methylated DHT. Like Masteron, but then actually delivered in an oral fashion. DHT is the conversion product of testosterone at the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, the result being a hormone that is 3 to 4 times as androgenic and is structurally incapable of forming estrogen. One would imagine then that mesterolone would be a perfect drug to enhance strength and add small but completely lean gains to the frame. Unfortunately there is a control mechanism for DHT in the human body. When levels get too high, the 3alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme converts it to a mostly inactive compound known as 3-alpha (5-alpha-androstan-3alpha,17beta-diol), a prohormone if you will. It can equally convert back to DHT by way of the same enzyme when low levels of DHT are detected. But it means that unless one uses ridiculously high amounts, most of what is administered is quite useless at the height of the androgen receptor in muscle tissue and thus mesterolone is not particularly suited, if at all, to promote muscle hypertrophy.

Proviron has four distinct uses in the world of bodybuilding. The first being the result of its structure. It is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, yet it nonetheless has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme (which converts testosterone to estrogen) than testosterone does. That means in administering it with testosterone or another aromatizable compound, it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains. Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels.

The second use is in enhancing the potency of testosterone. Testosterone in the body at normal physiological levels is mostly inactive. As much as 97 or 98 percent of testosterone in that amount is bound to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and albumin, two proteins. In such a form testosterone is mostly inactive. But as with the aromatase enzyme, DHT has a higher affinity for these proteins than testosterone does, so when administered simultaneously the mesterolone will attach to the SHBG and albumin, leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as protein synthesis. Another way in which it helps to increase gains. Its also another part of the equation that makes it ineffective on its own, as binding to these proteins too, would render it a non-issue at the androgen receptor.

Thirdly, mesterolone is added in pre-contest phases to increase a distinct hardness and muscle density. Probably due to its reduction in circulating estrogen, perhaps due to the downregulating of the estrogen receptor in muscle tissue, it decreases the total water build-up of the body giving its user a much leaner look, and a visual effect of possessing "harder" muscles with more cuts and striations. Proviron is often used as a last-minute secret by a lot of bodybuilders and both actors and models have used it time and again to deliver top shape day in day out, when needed. Like the other methylated DHT compound, drostanolone, mesterolone is particularly potent in achieving this feat.

Lastly Proviron is used during a cycle of certain hormones such as nandrolone, with a distinct lack of androgenic nature, or perhaps 5-alpha reduced hormones that don't have the same affinities as DHT does. Such compounds, thinking of trenbolone, nandrolone and such in particular, have been known to decrease libido. Limiting the athlete to perform sexually being the logical result. DHT plays a key role in this process and is therefore administered in conjunction with such steroids to ease or relieve this annoying side-effect. Proviron is also commonly prescribed by doctors to people with low levels of testosterone, or patients with chronic impotence. Its not perceived as a powerful anabolic, but it gets the job done equally well if not better than other anabolic steroids making it a favorite in medical practices due to its lower chance of abuse.

Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men. In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system (albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase) quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and 250 mg per day are used with no adverse effects. 50 mg per day is usually sufficient to be effective in each of the four cases we mentioned up above, so going higher really isn't necessary. Unlike what some suggest or believe, its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.

Stacking and Use:

Mesterolone is an oral alkylated steroid. If used primarily as an anti-aromatase drug, using it throughout a longer cycle (10-12 weeks) of injectables may elevate liver values a little bit, though much, much less than one would expect with a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid. Eventhough instead of inhibiting gains, mesterolone may actually contribute to gains. So that's a bit of a shame. Its not quite as toxic since its not alkylated in the same fashion, but at the 1 position, which reduces hepatic breakdown, but not like 17-alpha alkylation. The reason for the change of position I assume, is because alkylating at the 17-alpha position has been shown to reduce affinity for sex hormone binding proteins. This would in turn decrease its ability to free testosterone. Nonetheless the delivery rate is quite good. Its taken daily in 50-100 mg doses.

The best thing to stack it with is testosterone of course. Its most easily bound to SHBG and albumin, and deactivated for up to 98%. Since the DHT can compete for these structures with higher affinity it would naturally lead to a higher yield of whatever testosterone product you stacked it with. Since DHT levels are notably higher now there is also more stimulation of the androgen receptor causing more strength gains, and because of its affinity for aromatase the overall estrogen level decreases as well. This has as a result that gains are leaner, and once again the overall testosterone yield is increased as less I converted at the aromatase enzyme.

It's of course used in other stacks with products such as methandrostenolone, boldenone and nandrolone to reduce estrogenic activity and increase muscle hardness. The addition of proviron makes boldenone a dead lock for a cutting stack and for some may even make it possible to use nandrolone while cutting, although the use of Winstrol or a receptor antagonist in conjunction is wishful as well. The benefit of adding it to a nandrolone stack is that it may also help you reduce the decrease in libido suffered from nandrolone, since the latter is mostly deactivated by 5-alpha reductase, an enzyme that makes other hormones more androgenic.

Proviron is an anti-aromatase, so obviously anti-estrogens would not be needed. Blood pressure medication for those prone to hypertension may be wise, as this DHT can increase the blood pressure.

 

[Buffalo]

That sounds great. I can say that Proviron I've never seen but hear it's a bitch to get legit forms of it.

 

[Get_Swole]

^^ ive never gotten any bad but only ordered from placed back when I knew they had good stuff. It can get pricey though, I need to get my side bank account again one for bills house etc, then one for gym, and get big stuff haha.

 

[Buffalo]

^^ ive never gotten any bad but only ordered from placed back when I knew they had good stuff. It can get pricey though, I need to get my side bank account again one for bills house etc, then one for gym, and get big stuff haha.

haha. I have a paypal account I use then just transfer money to my bank and withdraw.

 

[Presser]

That sounds great. I can say that Proviron I've never seen but hear it's a bitch to get legit forms of it.

it is, but its out there

 

[The Survivor]

So when I go the actual bridge dosage, do I start the PCT (in my case Clomid and HCG and maybe Priviron if I can afford it) the usual 10-14 days before I start maintenence dosage? How much Prop. should I be taking? 100 mg/wk is what I was thinking for 6 wks then kick in another cycle. Is this about right?

 

[Nem0]

I would swap your compounds go for an extended period then cruise if you feel the need to. 16 weeks is not long and you been very light on the doseages, your making progress why stop? You come off you going to play catch up which will set you back weeks/months, go cruise, you will hold onto thing and be able to catch up in a few weeks but I would keep going and get the job done.

 

[The Survivor]

I would swap your compounds go for an extended period then cruise if you feel the need to. 16 weeks is not long and you been very light on the doseages, your making progress why stop? You come off you going to play catch up which will set you back weeks/months, go cruise, you will hold onto thing and be able to catch up in a few weeks but I would keep going and get the job done.

I see what your saying, that my moderate dosages may minimize the amortization hence I can stay on longer than the norm. I almost out of Decca but have Tren Acct in stock so maybe I can swap that out. Right now my current goals are to compete next yr likley summer, so right now have a tough task of trying to cut up and get abs out, no easy task given my age. So dont PCT it, or priviron either? Just keep staying the course? Thanks

 

[Nem0]

Yeah I would.. You not got allot of time so you need to keep going. Don't rate PCT anyhow, you crash even when you PCT so really unless your comming off for good it really not advised, better to manipulate doses up and down (blast cruise) than to come off. If you older if you can afford it get some legit GH, 2-3iu a day will make all the differnence in an older fella given time, 3-4iu and you will be making good progress.