Little Changes/Gain On Cycle & Plateau - What Is Wrong?

[drtbear1967]

I think it is better than before. Just keep track of your progress.

 

[hopesanddreams]

I think it is better than before. Just keep track of your progress.

I dont need to add anything to the cycle?
Mass shake will be fine?
How do I keep track aside from weight? Body measurements?

 

[drtbear1967]

weight, progress pic, take measurements….all of the above. You can add a shake but just watch the added carbs.

 

[hopesanddreams]

weight, progress pic, take measurements….all of the above. You can add a shake but just watch the added carbs.

Ok.

Question - I had a wisdom tooth infection, so calories went down because I was struggling to eat, and I dropped about 4kg in a week (may have been water weight also). Now that I am back on my normal diet, gained the weight back pretty quickly, but still am 'stagnated' (haven't added the mass shake in, starting tomorrow). Does that make sense while on cycle? Or the stuff is bunk? I am tempted to get a test blood check.

 

[drtbear1967]

Bloods will tell you if your stuff is good or not. When your sick or have anything going on outside of the norm, your body will respond and go into protection mode. So this does not surprise me at all.

 

[hopesanddreams]

Bloods will tell you if your stuff is good or not. When your sick or have anything going on outside of the norm, your body will respond and go into protection mode. So this does not surprise me at all.

Started the shake today to get the cals up. Hoping my stomach doesnt go fat again. Lets see.

 

[thx]

Are you a vegeterian?
You're not eating any meat.
I use beef protein/carnipro as well, but it's shit quality protein. (it consists of pretty much tendons/collagen). I've tried to get aminoacid profile from many different companies that sell this and none have given me a good answer or aminoacid profile.

Get whey protein instead. If you're lactose intolerant get whey isolate or regular whey with lactase added to it.

Jasmine or basmati rice is a cheap and readily available carb source. This is my favorite carb source.
Red meat contains a lot of nutrients that we need so I'd get that. Change it up with chicken. If you like fish, change it up with some fish as well.
Add some vegetables like carrots, spinach, broccoli etc.
Healthy fats.

That quorn bullshit is garbage. Quorn as a proteinsource is shit. Proteinsources from vegetables, legumes etc isn't any good at all. If you're eating it because you like it it's a totally different story.

Greek yogurt before bed is good since it contains a lot of casein. Add some peanut butter and you'll have some extra energy if you workout early fasted.

If you have problems with digestion check out stan efferdings "vertical diet".

 

[hopesanddreams]

Are you a vegeterian?
You're not eating any meat.
I use beef protein/carnipro as well, but it's shit quality protein. (it consists of pretty much tendons/collagen). I've tried to get aminoacid profile from many different companies that sell this and none have given me a good answer or aminoacid profile.

Get whey protein instead. If you're lactose intolerant get whey isolate or regular whey with lactase added to it.

Jasmine or basmati rice is a cheap and readily available carb source. This is my favorite carb source.
Red meat contains a lot of nutrients that we need so I'd get that. Change it up with chicken. If you like fish, change it up with some fish as well.
Add some vegetables like carrots, spinach, broccoli etc.
Healthy fats.

That quorn bullshit is garbage. Quorn as a proteinsource is shit. Proteinsources from vegetables, legumes etc isn't any good at all. If you're eating it because you like it it's a totally different story.

Greek yogurt before bed is good since it contains a lot of casein. Add some peanut butter and you'll have some extra energy if you workout early fasted.

If you have problems with digestion check out stan efferdings "vertical diet".

hey man - was told to get protein from different sources hence just trying to do that.
i can’t digest red meat / chicken / fish at all I throw it up. That is the issue tbh.
all dairy and whey is fine (as well as cottage cheese) but that seems only 3 sources then if I trash the other stuff.
what shall I do?

btw my PT bailed when I asked him about progress and what should we change etc. Offering a refund of remaining sessions :/ don’t get it. Seems quite poor imo.

 

[hopesanddreams]

Adding in a lot more Complex carbohydrates wont hurt you at all especially if your training regularly and on the cycle you laid out above. Your body will show improvements quickly to, keeping your muscles fed , which tightens your skin, and you'll be where you need to be in no time at all! Your basically taking 750mg of testosterone a week, thats a lot in all honesty. Not to mention the tren you were on for 5 weeks and dianabol, so once the gear is lowered or its time to come off, you will tighten up and stay fuller with the added carbs.

In truth, its really hard to determine exact causes without the whole picture, as when it comes to bodybuilding, trainng, diet, and steroids, EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE , as i like to say. I will say this though, if your paying a Personal Trainer, and been with them 10 weeks and not seeing noticable changes with the gear schedule and dosage, as well as the training, then maybe he isnt taking you as serious as your taking him. Just a thought.

Are you sure people are just using normal gear (test/tren etc), eating 'more' and training and thats it?
Finding it hard to believe those guys 100kg+ are doing only what I am doing and it works for them, but not for me.
They are taking something else that I am unaware of? Like pro hormones or something? This honestly still isn't making much sense to me... sure I can up the calories but I doubt I will look anything like that by just adding a mass shake to my current diet / cycle (sorry not trying to sound like a douche, just confused).

 

[drtbear1967]

Those "guys" you are talking about are taking a lot more than they will tell you. They are probably taking Tren, Winnie, Annie and who know what else. Do some research and develop a solid plan.

 

[hopesanddreams]

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[thx]

That sucks bro!
Dairy has some really good protein.
If you can handle oats get some oats and blend it with milk, whey protein, peanut butter.
how about eggs?

What an asshole! Don't worry we will help you

 

[hopesanddreams]

That sucks bro!
Dairy has some really good protein.
If you can handle oats get some oats and blend it with milk, whey protein, peanut butter.
how about eggs?

What an asshole! Don't worry we will help you

yup this is all ok dairy, eggs, oats etc all fine.

 

[drtbear1967]

Just stick with the program. It take at least 12 weeks to see any changes brother. Just put your head down and kill shit.